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Air China's 777 Ride From Shanghai To Beijing  
User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6994 times:

My trip report


Date : 1-10-2003 ( National day week for China)
Flight : CA1502
Destination : Beijing
Origin : Shanghai Hongtiao Airport
Time of departure : 1130
Aircraft schedule : B777-200
Actual Aircraft : B777-200
Registration number: B-2068
Seat number : 30A
Gate : 15
Duration : 1 hr 40 mins
Note : NO PTVs , 2-5-2 configuration
Runway used : 18
FL (Cruising) : 370)
Load : 95 %


On the national day’s morning , I woke up pretty early to ensure that I won’t be caught in any jams as that is what Shanghai or other cities are famous for. I reached to the airport around 0850 and was too early for check in but I decided to try my luck to check in and to my surprise , I managed to….. got myself a window seat (30A) not too bad. My father warned me that landing in Beijing is very bumpy and so therefore I didn’t get a back row because I feel uncomfortable at times with turbulence.
This flight has 3 significant factors for me . First , my first ride on Air China , secondly , my first time riding on a PW-powered 777 and lastly I am flying on a 777 on a domestic route for my first time . I was feeling quite excited about it. My boss wanted to book me on China Eastern A300 and luckily he changed his mind last minute and book me on CA.
I did quite a bit of plane spotting before heading towards to my aircraft. These was what I saw , Air China B747-400 (B-2472), China Xinjiang B757-200, Xiamen Airlines B737-700, China Eastern A320 , B733, MD-90 , A319 , 2 AN –24 , China Eastern’s 737-200 ( I was surprise to see this plane , I didn’t know they still operate the –200s, Did they take over another smaller company? ) Shanghai Airlines B757 , China Southern B737-500 , Air china B777-200 (B-2068) and Air China B737-600 ( Wonder where this plane came from) .
Anyway , I come to my point … I boarded onto the plane, greeted with smiles by the cabin crews. That was not a bad start I thought. Sitting just behind the 3 emergency door from the front. I looked around admiring the Air China’s interior. The seats are quite crampy but I dealt with it well….. I feel sorry for those who are sitting in the middle seat ( 5 seats ) . Anyway , once pushed back commerce , engine was quickly started. I heard a funny whining sound from the engine and a sudden vibration as the plane was being pushed back. I thought the engine was going to stall or something. As the airport was not busy , our plane took off immediately after a “Babybus” 319 just took off pass us while we were taxing to the runway. Our take off was very bumpy with a little drops but that was just the beginning.
As the cabin crews were given the signal to start their work, the turbulence got worse and the whole plane was shaking…. In addition , the take off noise of the PW engine is very noisy… I still prefer flying on RR or GE powered 777 definitely. Entertainment system? There is no PTV and you have no choice but to watch what the airline has for you , pretty no interest to me …. They were showing some documentaries…. Anyway , I tuned into the radio, I heard some familiar English songs which I enjoyed very much….. luckily there was music..
Meals was served , we had a choice of Chicken or Beef . I choose Chicken . Frankly speaking , I didn’t eat very well because of the frequent turbulence that never seems to die away. After the meal ,I tried to sleep but I just come because the plane kept tossing us ( passengers ) around and drops ( I hate it ) quite a few times.
The worst part is when the plane started to decent . People began to grasp ( including me ) because the way the plane was made to decent was quite steep and as usually a lot of heavy turbulence . Thinking to myself , I thought it will get better after being cleared of the clouds , ohh boy , I was so wrong about that ….the plane shook worse and with drops despite being in low attitute… I saw some of the cabin crew’s faces and they too felt uncomfortable …
The plane landed very hard onto Beijing’s runway… It was definitely the worse landing on a 777 , no doubt about that . Many Chinese around me were complaining to themselves… The way this pilot flew this plane is like flying a fighter jet… The way the planes maneuvers during flight and landing is terrible . ( One of the wrost for me ).
Reaching to the gate of Beijing , people around me were standing up and getting their stuffs. I overheard one of their conversations … “ Next time don’t seat at the back “ . I guess almost all the people were glad that they have finally reached Beijing. My purpose for my Beijing is to visit the places of interest like the great wall of China and “GuGong” palace. Anyway, I managed to take some shots of AC’s 777’ cabin . (Thank you ) . Hope to pasts them up here later .

Thanks for reading my report.

Next trip report : CZ 3579 Wuhai to Shanghai

Any comments are welcome.




Airliners is the wings of my life.
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User currently offlineLu From China, joined Aug 1999, 175 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6900 times:

An enjoyable report and terrible flying experience you have.
it is so unbelievable to read your flight from shanghai to beijing in Shanghai now.
CA used to 744 for this flight before.


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6648 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6857 times:

Thanks for the report and sorry that you didn't have a good flight.

I flew SHA - PEK too a few years ago but on a MU 733 and also remember that there was a lot of turbulence. The take off was more interesting on that flight; the plane was going back and forth sideways during the take off roll......
Otherwise that flight was great; great food and lots of it. I also flew CA 777 PEK-HKG that same day and I was in a bulkhead seat so problem with legroom and I had a nice dinner on that flight. Flight attendents were friendly and nice. Too bad that they don't PTVs but they usually don't fly that long routes except for Australia and SVO.

I posted a trip report for my flights if you are interested in reading it.

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineBLACK BOX From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6838 times:

9V-SVC,

Nice report thanks for posting. I can answer your questions re the MU 732s & 736s.

Last month I flew SHA/NGB in one of MU's 732s (B-2506 to be precise). They have three 732s (the only -200s left flying in China) and came via their take-over of Ningo based AIR GREAT WALL, who originally got them from Air China/CAAC.

I think the 736s come from CA's take over of China South West.

It was a great experience flying the -200 and remote stand boarding meant getting up real close and personal with those JT8Ds.

It was also interesting to see that when they converted the A/C to all Y Class, which involved the addition of an extra row at the front of the cabin, rather than re-number the rows from row 1, they just made the extra row at the front row 0 (zero). So I have now got a very rare boarding pass with seat number 0C.

BT






User currently offlineCarnoc From China, joined Oct 2001, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6845 times:

To 9V-SVC,

Thanks for your trip report anyway, and may I please make the following comments regarding on your trip report:

# The B736 (Air China) you mentioned in your report was probably an aircraft used to operate under the name of China Southwest Airlines (now, of course a part of Air China).

# Regarding on the issue of economy class configuration, Air China has had received quite a lot of complains and the management is taking the feedback seriously, although I don't know any possible solution has been suggested so far.

# I feel sorry that you experienced quite some turbulences throughout the flight, but I guess that the pilots didn't want to fly all the way with such kind of experience, sometimes it is due to the weather factors and sometimes due to the orders from air traffic controllers.

Anyway, a great job and look forward to reading your next trip report.

Regards.


User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6788 times:

Took the very same route back in April, except I flew on 777 B-2069.

It was one of several flight within into and around China. I flew with Dragonair, China Eatern, Shanghai Airlines and Air China and found all to be of a high standard, especially Shanghai airlines and their blended wing 737's.

Just goes to show that a few bumps can spoil a flight!



L1011 - P F M
User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6729 times:

How was the inflight service overall?

I did the same route some years ago, but that was out of HongQiao. I thought CA's inflight service was mediocre (nonchalant crew who did their jobs but without the smiles), and I remember feeling at that time that MU's inflight service was relatively more polished for Chinese standards.



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User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6718 times:

Hi Guys

First I like to apologized for my grammer mistakes.

Lu : I noticed CA uses different aircrafts on routes to Beijing .. for example : CA 1502 , 30th Sep B744 , 1st Oct B777 2nd Oct A340 ...etc , I was very lucky to get the 777 .

The777man : I saw your website regarding your flights of 777 you have taken so far. I am simply amazed and hopefully would like to fly all the 777 operators . The food on board was quite average , not very tasty but it was quite ok . I agree with you that the flight attendence are very friendly, they allowed me to take a couple of cabin shots after my flight.

BlackBox: I remembered that CA ordered the 737-600 and took delivery of the a/c from Seattle . I dont think the plane is from China Southwest .
Now , this explains why I saw the 732 in Shanghai Hongtiao. Which routes does the 732 flies to ?

Carnoc : I find the economy class quite cramp not as bad as Malaysia Airlines ( they make it up for leg room space) . It's a pity they do not have PTVs installed and the PW engine is very noisy , i can hardly sleep during the flight (of coarse plus the turbulence ).

Shankly:
Among the 3 airlines I flew so far , China Eastern , Air China and China Southern ( my report coming up next ) . I find the service on board CZ is better then the first two . I have decided to stick to CZ for my chinese domestic flights unless i don't have a choice . China Eastern? I find some of the cabin crews quite rude and definately they are not one of my choices of airlines .. perhaps I might want to try their A340-600 .

SQ772

Flight service was not too bad , the guys were kind of stucked-up but the ladies were pretty nice .... Definately not the best service I ever experienced but for a domestic flight? It was pretty alright...If you find CA's service mediocue , you should try China Eastern domestic flight . My father who sat at the back ( crew rest) just to rest for a while because he was sitting in the front ( very hot ) , the back was cooler . One of the crews told my father OFF by asking him to leave the seat. My father told him that he is resting but the crew refused to listen to my father and was already shouting away at him... Fortuntately another cabin crew came and calmed things down , by then my father was absolutely livid and was shouting at the bloody crew.






Airliners is the wings of my life.
User currently offlineSunCEO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 359 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6664 times:

Hello!

Nice trip report, I flew Air China domestic earlie the year on a 767-200. It's certainly nice to fly domestic in such a large aircraft. The service left alot to be desired but for a European it is such a wonderful Experience!

Rgds,
SunCEO


User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6637 times:

Hi SunCEO


Glad you enjoyed the ride....

Anyway , does anyone knows what aircraft does China Southern or Xiamen airlines flies from Wuhan to Guangzhou ?

Thanks !!

Charles




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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6637 times:

I always thought the other airport in Shanghai was "Hongqiao"? Not "Hongtiao"?

Anyway, the way the plane is flown cannot be faulted towards the pilots. There is only so much u can manouvre a large plane like a 777 so it is unlikely u can experience a fighter-jet like flight. It looks like it was due largely to turbulence and it is normally more pronounced if you are seated towards the rear of the aircraft.

Is it monsoon season on the eastern coast of China? Looks like yr flight was bumpy throught the entire journey! This is the time of the year the Arctic winds roar down with much ferocity isn't it? So you flight up from SHA - PEK would have met some pretty nasty headwinds, perhaps?



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User currently offlineElephantboy From Thailand, joined Sep 2003, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6616 times:

Nice trip report, 9V-SVC.

The way this pilot flew this plane is like flying a fighter jet… The way the planes maneuvers during flight and landing is terrible .

I experienced such flight once with Yunan Airways B733. After the aircraft touched down on the runway, she got off the runway at very high speed, probably 90 km/hr. I and everybody swayed like we were riding a roller-coaster.


User currently offlineCarnoc From China, joined Oct 2001, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6605 times:

To 9V-SVC,

Most flights from Wuhan to Guangzhou are operated by B737s, although there could be an aircraft change, but it would be quite unusual.

Also, Air China is undergoing a major First/Business Class upgrade project for their B747s & B777s, although the economy class doesn't have PTVs, but it is not expensive to fly First or Business Class, but I know that sometimes it isn't up to you, hehe...

Regards.


User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6550 times:

RyanAir : Thanks for the mistake, yap its Hongqiao .

Anyway, even in smooth air . The way the pilot turned the plane is terrible. He turned at a very fast rate and most of us were like grasping..... I do not blame the pilots of the turbulence but certainly not an enjoyable ride.

Carnoc : I would prefer not to fly on Air China , probably China Southern ? I enjoy their service a lot . Watch out for my next trip report.

Cheers

Charles




Airliners is the wings of my life.
User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6648 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6487 times:

Thanks for the nice comments on my website! Maybe you should fly CZ 777 CAN-PEK next time ? I flew them on HKG-CAN which was a VERY short flight so can't compare service with MU or CA, on which my flights were longer.

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineBLACK BOX From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6491 times:

Just to clarify the situation with the CA 737-66Ns.

SZ ordered the A/C via GECAS (hence the -66N) and some were delivered in SZ colours, but since the takeover the remainder are being delivered in CA colours. CA did not order them, they just took over the SZ order.

As regards what routes the three MU 737-2T4s fly, they are based in Ningbo so I suspect they would operate from that city to most major domestic ports in eastern China.

The A/C we had came from NGB that morning, we flew SHA/NGB and the A/C was then operating to CAN and return. Our return flight later that day was in a SHA based MU 73G (would have loved another -200).

BT


User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 6456 times:



The777Man :

Yap, I am considering flying CZ's 777 . They also fly on CAN to PVG . Because I am based in Shanghai , I dont think i am able to do CAN-PEK route.

Blackbox :

Thank you very much for your information , now that has definately cleared my mind regarding the 737s .


Anyway , I have a trip back to Singapore in November. Actually I was suppose to fly back on TG next thursday but because the ticket is valid for only 1 month ( I am staying more then a month ) and I have to cancel my TG air ticket ( B773 and A333 <-- what a pity) . I am deciding to fly back to Singapore from Wuhan . I have 3 options . SQ, Wuhan to Singapore (New route) , does anyone has any idea about this ? , China Southern Wuhan-GuangZhou-Singapore or Xiamen Airlines Wuhan-Fuzhou-Singapore. Actually there is China Eastern, but i have ruled them out . Which one should i go for? I would like to try Xiamen Airlines , I will fly 737-700 for the first time and also a new airline in my flying booklist . If I fly on China Southern , I will be able to claim mileage points plus a wonder 757-200 ride and if I fly on SQ , It will be my first time flying on SQ's 777 and another 777 ride on my 777 list but the air fare is high. I can't decide !!



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