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A 318 Or Bust: DUS-CDG-DUS On Air France  
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11789 times:

About our trip

What you're reading here is a combined trip report with contributions by fellow a.net member Jens (TriStar500) and myself, Patrick (Sabena332). To make reading more interesting, we have indicated, which comments are coming from what author. And now enjoy your reading!  Smile

Patrick:
Last year on July 11th, fellow a.net member Jens (TriStar500) and me decided to book a flight to Paris for January 10th 2004, the main reason for our daytrip was to be passengers on the first official A 318 flight from Paris CDG to Duesseldorf, but I was also looking forward to spend the day in the city of Paris, until that day I flew six times to CDG but I never left the airport because I always had to catch a connecting flight to the USA or to an other destination in Europe.


Jens:
Some months passed until the big day finally arrived… however, much to our annoyance, Air France had already replaced the usually scheduled equipment on the DUS run with A318 a couple of time before our trip, so we lost the chance to be on the very first scheduled A318 landing in DUS.

At the airport (DUS)


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Patrick:
Half a year passed since our booking and finally the day of our trip arrived. I took the train to DUS airport station where I arrived exactly on time, I took the people mover to get from the train station to the spacious and modern terminal where I arrived after another five minute ride. My next stop before I met with Jens was the Air France check in counters, it was a little bit complicated to reach them because I had to pass the Turkish Airlines check in counters, the area around them was a totally zoo, masses of people stood in front of them, first I thought it was a special Hadj flight but the monitor above the counters showed Istanbul as destination, it seemed that Turkish Airlines had an equipment change on that day because so many people would never fit into a Boeing 737-800 but rather in one of their Airbus 340-300.

Jens:
Patrick's guess turned out to be pretty accurate later on. While we were taxying to the active runway, I noticed a THY A310-300 touching down on RWY 23L – a fairly big aircraft for DUS; where there are very few regular widebody flights except for some leisure airlines like LTU with their A330, Condor with their 767 or HF with their A310, or some schdeduled carriers like EK's daily A330-200 flight to DXB.

Patrick::
There were only two of three Air France check in counters occupied, one for L'Espace (Business Class) passengers and an other one for Tempo (Economy Class) passengers, I said: "Hello" to the guy behind the Tempo counter and gave him my ID as well as my credit card, he asked: "Do you prefer a window or aisle seat?", I told him that my travel partner already reserved a seat for me because he already checked in earlier, than he said: "Yes, I just saw it", he printed out my boarding passes (one for the flight to CDG and an other for the return flight to DUS) and wished me a pleasant flight, I said: "Thank you" and went (again through the zoo around the Turkish Airlines counters) to a snack bar where Jens and me wanted to meet. I never met Jens before so I looked closely around to spot a guy that would fit to the self description that Jens gave me on the evening before by eMail, but I saw nobody who was 1,75m tall with a black coat, so I ordered a coffee and read the newspaper.

Jens:
It took us a while until we finally met. I had expected to get a call from Patrick when he had finished checking in, but my cell phone kept quite. Getting a little nervous, I left the visitor's deck, where I had spent the time since I had checked in about 45 minutes earlier and went to the balcony on the first floor of terminal B, overlooking the check-in area. And there he was! Patrick was wearing his trademark “a.net meeting” coat, he had described me beforehand. As it turned out, he had already used this piece of fashion to meet some other a.net folks, who hadn't seen him before, and never experienced any trouble to be identified by them. Big grin


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Patrick:
Suddenly Jens appeared next to me and I was happy that we finally met personally after we knew each other from the a.net forums only, I finished my coffee and we went through the security checkpoint to our gate where we had a chat until boarding was announced, it was the first time I experienced that Air France boarded in zones, first they called all passengers in the last rows, we waited a few minutes until the passengers which had seats in the rear of the plane boarded because we had seats 12 A and B, rather in the front part of the cabin.

The flight (DUS-CDG)

Duesseldorf International (DUS) – Paris Charles de Gaulle (CDG)
Flight number: AF1307
Scheduled block time: 1050h - 1205h
Off-block: 1050h
Take-Off: 1103h (RWY 23L)
Touch-down: 1153h (RWY 28L)
On-block: 1205h

Airbus A320-211
F-GFKN
c/n 128
delivered: January 8, 1991


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Patrick:
Luckily the plane didn't have a parking position on the apron, we could easily enter F-GFKN via a jedbridge after a boarding pass and an ID check, there was a rack with a huge selection of newspapers (in French, English and German) in front of the cabin door, Jens and me chose the Herald Tribune as reading material for the short hop to the French capital, a friendly flight attendant welcomed us on board with a "Bonjour", than she checked our boarding passes again (I hate this additional boarding pass checks when I enter an Air France plane, do they think the passengers are too stupid to find their seats?)

Jens:
I have always wondered abouth the sense of this rather annoying additional hurdle. Maybe this is some “last line of defense” against stupid passengers, who had somehow managed to sneak past the gate agent and was about to board the wrong flight?

Patrick:
She wished us a pleasant flight, surprisingly we got an emergency exit row with a lot of legroom, now we were also hoping that nobody would demand seat 12C, than we would have the complete seat row for us and we could leave the middle seat empty like in Business Class.


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Jens:
Needless to say that I was also pleasantly surprised by our exit row seats. I guess it always helps to play some charm on the gate agent during check-in. Big grin Unlike Patrick, I had the pleasure to check in with a very good looking and very friendly girl, so making some charming comments wasn't too difficult for me.  Big grin

Patrick:
Boarding was completed soon and we had luck, nobody appeared in the seat next to me so I changed from 12B to 12C, the plane got pushed back and the crew made the usual security demonstration in three languages during the taxi to runway 23L, the take off roll was incredible quite despite we sat next to the engine, the plane took off and the board service began after the 10.000 feet altimeter indicator ping.


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There was the usual choice of drinks and the choice between two kinds of snacks, the first one was "sucrée" (sugared), cookies from the label "La mère Poulard" and the second was "saltée" (salted), a snack mix consisting of peanuts, pretzel and raisins. Jens took an orange juice and the cookies while I took a coffee only because I was not hungry.

Jens:
Although we were probably lucky to receive any inflight frills at all – some European carriers like SWISS and Austrian have already done away with free Economy Class catering on all or most of their intra-European flights – the slow, but gradual degradation of the inflight food service had become pretty obvious during the last couple of years. I have regularily flown between DUS and CDG a few times every years ince 1996, and have noticed how the original “cold meal service” was replaced by a “baguette serving”, which was during 2001 further reduced to the snacks Patrick has described above. Don't get me wrong, I don't complain, because the fare level has also gone down from 175 Euro in 1996 to 100 Euro in 2004, but still, a little bit more substantial would have been nice even on this short lunchtime hop. Thankfully, Air France is still offering the same beverage service standard like always, and especially the complementary wine selection even on short flights like this leaves nothing to be desired even for us poor “Tempo” (Economy Class) passengers.  Big thumbs up

Patrick:
We had a nice chat during the remaining flight time and Jens showed me on a map of Paris which sights we would visit today. The plane touched down smooth at CDG after a flight time of 50 minutes, unfortunately we had a parking position on the apron.

Jens:
CDG around noon was showing a lot of interesting traffic. Especially breathtaking was the abundance of longhaul equipment being readied for their flights to Africa, North America and the Caribbean while we were passing along the south front of Aerogare 2, terminal which is Air France's main base. All the heavy metal currently plying the skies was sitting on the tarmac – lots of Air France B777, A330 and B747-400's, a few Delta and Continental 767's, and also, much to our surprise a Vietnam Airlines B777-200 in the latest colors.


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Patrick:
We disembarked during rain and a bus brought us to terminal 2D, we went directly to the train station to buy tickets for a ride to the city center and back, then we took the train to downtown Paris.

Paris


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Jens:
With only a few hours to go until we had to be back at the airport for our return flight on the first scheduled A318 to DUS, our program in this beautiful city was rather abbreviated. After stepping out of the train at Chatelet, we went directly to the Air France exhibit in the Musee de Publicité, actually part of the Louvre complex. There is currently a special exhibiton commemorating the 70 th anniversary of Air France with various art-related items like advertisements, posters, timetables and other publicatiosn from the last seven decades. Quite worth a visit if you like Air France and show a little interest for art.  Big thumbs up

After this, I presented Patrick, who had never been to Paris before (except for some transfers at CDG) some of the highlights of this wonderful city – the Louvre and the Pyramid, Place de la Concorde, Hotel des Invalides, la tour Eiffel, before we went to Boulevard Saint Michel, got a Baguette and went to the Ile de la Cite in order to check out Notre Dame. At round about half past four, after we had passed the Htel de Ville on our way back to Chatelet station, we were ready to go back to the airport.

Patrick:
I will use this opportunity to say again thank you to Jens for this interesting tour through Paris, it is really a beautiful city, a shame that I have never been there before. The Air France exhibition was also worth the visit, it was quite interesting to see all these old safety cards, timetables, advertising posters and so on, also interesting is the fact that the Air France cabin crew uniforms arecreated by famous designers like Christian Dior, Jean Patou or Nina Ricci. One thing is for sure: This airline always had style!

Jens:
It's been a pleasure showing you my favorite place on this world, Patrick.  Big thumbs up

The airport (CDG)


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Jens:
With just about 45 minutes to go, we decided to take a quick walk through some of the older halls of Aerogare 2 (A-D). It was interesting to note, how deserted all terminal segments except for hall 2D were at this time on a Saturday afternoon. In halls 2A and 2C, all of the intercontinental services usually leaving here, were already on their way except for one flight to La Reunion. There were also preciously few people in hall 2B, which is currently used for both Schengen and non-Schengen flights.

We arrived at our barding gate just in time to grab another newspaper from the large free selection, which includes French, Italian, English, American and German papers, before boarding commenced. We were anxiously peering out of the large terminal windows – where, oh where was the A318, which was supposed to take us to Duesseldorf? Our tension started to rise… would there be a last minute aircraft change? Would it be possible to get a ride on the A318, probably get into the cockpit or have some A318 safety cards “accidently falling” in our backpacks!?! Big grin

We were joking “Guess our A318 broke down and we get a ride on one of those lame a$$ 737's!” on our way down to the bus gate. Air France had obviously decided to keep up the suspense, as we had to wait inside a bus before we finally would get to see which aircraft would take us to DUS. Five past six… about eight passengers were waiting in our bus. Could this be everybody? We were already somewhat irritated, because there had been no mad rush to the gate when boarding was annoucned – this promised to be a really empty flight. On a Saturday evening in January, there was this distinct possibllity that we would be virtually all alone on a “private jet”.  Big grin
Some very few passengers trickled in, until the bus driver finally go the thumbs up from the gate agent to bring us to our Airbus. Twelve passengers on our Airbus tonight… this promised to be a sweet experience.

Patrick:
While we sat in the bus, I thought: "Wow, this is probably the emptiest flight you have ever been on", but I was more interested inthe equipment that would bring us back to DUS and not how many people would be on todays flight, I was still optimistic that we would get the A 318.

Jens:
However, all we really cared about was to finally get onboard the real purpose of this trip, the beautiful new Air France A318. The bus started to roar, and in the notoriously breathtaking manner CDG's bus drivers are known and feared for all over the world, we were on our way to our plane, passing, among other aircraft, a BA 757 at hall 2B. This was a rather big surprise, since BA usually handled all their flights from the older Aerogare 1. Has there recently been a change of terminal allocation?

Finally we reached a bulk of AF Airbusses and Boeing sitting on the apron adjacent to Aerogare 2. We passed a 737-500, so far, so good, we didn't get that one. Another A320 went by… fair enough. And there it was! A gleaming new A318 – our hearts started to beat faster!!!

But what was that? We just passed by this bird and the bus came to standstill in front of an… Airbus A320. D'oh!!! Even worse, it was exactly the same aircraft we had flown on this morning (F-GFKN). Come on, that wasn't funny! (Well, it is now, in hindshight…)

Patrick:
I simply couldn't believe what happened, the bus stopped in front of the same A 320 that brought us to Paris in the morning, next to the A 320 stood an A 318, so I thought for some seconds that the bus driver made a mistake by stopping in front of the A 320, but when I looked over to the A 318, I saw that there was no light inside the aircraft, neither in the cockpit nor in the cabin, it seemed that it was parked there for the nightstop. Damn, the bus driver was correct  Angry .

The flight (CDG-DUS)

Paris Charles de Gaulle (CDG) – Duesseldorf International (DUS)

Flight number: AF2406
Scheduled block time: 1830h-1945h
Off-block: 1827h
Take-Off: 1852h (RWY 28R)
Touch-down: 1942h (RWY 23R)
On-block: 1945h

Airbus A320-211
F-GFKN
c/n 128
delivered: January 8, 1991


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Jens::
Anyway, what choice did we have? So we boarded this A320, got welcomed by some very friendly flight attendants and settled down in row 19, where we had been assigned seats 19A and C. With a few minutes delay, and after a lengthy taxi to the active runway (26R), our virtually empty A320 turned to the west, the engines spooled up an the big white bird thundered down the runway into the evenign sky. Within a few thousand feet, the aircraft started to rotate and soon we were off the ground and on our way back to Germany.

The rest of the flight went by pretty fast. I won't go into further details about the inflight service, because it mirrored the one on the inbound leg in the morning. Patrick and I had regained our composure and were ready and willing to make one very serious now: We would be getting on an Air France A318! This was now a question of honor… it didn't work this time, but we would be back. Oh yes, we would be back!  Big grin Finding a plausible reason (but then, isn't flying a new aircraft type plausible enough?) didn't take very long – the Musee de'l Air et de'l Espace in Le Bourget (Air and Space Museum) would be the goal of our next trip to Paris, and this time we would be get the scheduled A318. And if not.. well, let's see, who has the longer breath, Air France's scheduling department or our wallets… Big grin

Patrick:
As Jens already mentioned, we immediately decided to make another trip to Paris in March, to get finally a flight on the baby-bus. If we will not get it next time we will try it again and again, we know that it can get really expensive but there is still one advantage even when we don't get the A 318 after 20 flights: We will become Air France frequent flyer elite by end of this year  Big thumbs up.

Conclusion

Patrick and Jens::
So stay tuned for more trip reports from us to Paris – we will get on our A318, that's promised! And if not – well, at least we'll get a nice “running gag” going. Judging from our first attempt, will be getting a crummy old 737 the next time an A318 is scheduled on our trip. But maybe, just maybe, we will be lucky. We have at least 20 years until the A318 will be withdrawn from Air France service, so it can't evade us all of the time. Patience is a virtue… Big grin

Questions, comments and complaints are welcome as always.

Jens and Patrick

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User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8544 posts, RR: 54
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11375 times:
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Nice report guys,sure is a shame you never got to fly the 318,however like you say,the 318 will be in service for some 20 odd years so you've plenty of time.

I think the worst thing about your trip was having the same plane home,I hate that!

Rgds

Mark



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 11262 times:

@Mark
It was really kind of funny the moment we were stepping out of the bus. We had been joking about getting a crappy (note to all the Boeing fans: I am choosing the word "crap" not to describe the quality of your beloved products, but for the sake of dramatization) Boeing 737 as a last minute substitute all day. And what did show up? A run-of-the-mill A320, the very same we had flown on in the morning.

Personally, I was even more annoyed by the fact that this was now the 5th time I was flying on F-GFKN, I mean, what are the odds for that?




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User currently offlineAkumas From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 434 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11242 times:

Bad luck, about the A318 issue  Sad

User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 11242 times:

Seems like you really had bad luck - great report anyway, looking forward to read more AF DUS-CDG-DUS reports in the near future  Big grin How many additional flights have you booked?

...about eight passengers were waiting in our bus. Could this be everybody?
I would have feared an aircraft change into a *smaller* aircraft, something like an Emb-120 or something. Who would have expected an aircraft change into an A320? Anyway, I wish you Good Luck that you get the A318 on your next trip  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 11235 times:

@Caide
Well, except for the A318 part, it was a very nice trip. So even if we still don't get one on the next try, we still have Paris... and that's not too bad, don't you think?  Smile

@Alex
We'll be going to Paris again at the end of March. AF's summer timetable doesn't feature the A318 on the cheap weekend-daytrip fares flying times, so if it doesn't work out then, we will probably have to wait until fall.  Sad

An EMB-120 or something equally "non-standard" for AF's Duesseldorf run would have been awesome! Getting an A320 didn't seem to make much sense though - we had about 12 passengers on the outbound leg from Paris, and when we were entering Terminal B in DUS, there were no more than maybe 30 passenegrs waiting to board the return trip to CDG. So this change of aircraft wasn't due to capacity reasons. Maybe something technical on the A318.

I don't think it was because of a delay of the A318 on an earlier leg, unless it was a really long one >1h.





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User currently offlineUTA_FLYingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11190 times:

Very nice report !
and nice choice of pictures  Laugh out loud
Pity you did not get the jumpseat, I shall work on that when I'll fly her  Smile

Will



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User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8544 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11137 times:
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Ok,worse than I thought,5 times on the same plane,now that is a bummer!

My worst one is 3 time's,BAe ATP, CS-TGB,they had 2 planes,-TGA and TGB,got B every time!

Best Wishes

Mark



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11125 times:

@Mark
I'd trade you four of my F-GFKN's for one of your ATP flights  Big grin Never had a chance to ride on of those!



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User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8544 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 11116 times:
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I've actually had 7 ATP flights,the other four were UA Express flights between ORD and FWA - my aunt and uncle live there.

I think you'd better hurry up,chances are time is running out for the ATP,most of the remaining airline units will be freighters or stored soon.

Rgds

Mark




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User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11099 times:

Great report of an obviously great trip, even without A 318. Maybe next time...

User currently offlineAstrojet From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 565 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11076 times:

The same happerned to me when trying to get on a B717, they changed it with a MD-83, but I tried two weeks later and got the B717, so keep trying, I bet the next time you make it!

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 11077 times:

Thanks a lot for your replies!

William: I hope you have more luck to get the A 318 on one of your next AF flight, I can't wait to see more pictures taken from the jumpseat.

Christoph: You can be sure that we will try it as long as we sit in an A 318, as we already wrote, this is now a question of honor  Big thumbs up.

Astrojet: It happened also to me when I wanted to fly on the Canadair 700 Jet, I tried it twice but every time I got an other plane, finally I got the CR7 two weeks ago, I think we will also get the A 318 when we try it often enough.

Patrick

(Edited to add the reply for Astrojet)

[Edited 2004-01-15 22:15:46]

User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 11058 times:

I took the train to DUS airport station where I arrived exactly on time
Since when does any other company other then the Deutsche Bahn serve DUS by train?!? Because the DB is certainly never on time...

Prior to your next tour let me know if there is a 737-500 scheduled for one flight (with the A318 on the other...) and I will consider flying along. Eventhough I can not share the opinion about Paris with Jens...

Nice report, btw.

Max


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11005 times:

@Max
Judging from the current timetable, we will be flying on an A320 on the outbound leg and the A318 on the return (yeah, right...  Yeah sure). Why don't you come along anyway? An A318 is always worth a flight, and if we don't get one, we will certainly get a substitution by one of those boring 735's you are craving for so much. Big grin

And if you don't like Paris that much (hard to believe!), maybe you didn't get to see the really nice special places yet.  Smile



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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10989 times:

Excellent report! Big grin

Paris is a very nice town, Max! And a visit to France is always nice for their 'baguettes' and extremely small, strong and expensive cups of coffee  Wink/being sarcastic

About the A318: keep on trying  Big grin

Frederic


User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1872 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10959 times:

Very nice trip report.In fact, it is a really good thing that you didn't get the A318. It will give you the opportunity to make a new vist to Paris. And let's hope the weather will be nicer.

About the check of the boarding pass by the crew, it has 2 advantages.
1) They verify your flt destination. I have already seen people boading the wrong plane.(I remeber a couple who arrived in Palermo instead of Genova...)

2) On a wide body, you can help people taking the good corridor. This makes boarding easier.

Not everyone is a frequent flyer. And some people fly frequently because they have too. and even if they have the seat 1A, they will not find it without help, because of their stress.

About BA, they moved to CDG2 in October.
Teva



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 10904 times:

@Frederic

Thanks for your kind words!  Smile And you are definitely right - Max is really missing out on some great things. When I first came to the city in 1996, I got totally hooked on it. Paris for me is the right combination of interesting sights, activities, good food, a certain combination of mediterranean easygoing and Northern European orderliness, great, although expensive shopping opportunities and, lets not forget, some of the best looking women in the world.  Love

That's why I am currently going back to Paris about four or five times every year, sometimes just for a day, sometimes for a few days.  Smile

@Teva
Thank your for your good insider information! Smile It is really important to remember that people like us, who are either working in the aviation business or are enthusiasts, are more routinely used to travelling by plane, so some procedures, which look unnecessary for us, really make a lot of sense for the unseasoned traveller.  Smile



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User currently offlineGodbless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 10875 times:

@ Jens
Why don't you come along anyway?
Well depending on if the day fits well for me I will do so. At least those would be the first miles I collect on my Korean Air frequent traveler card...
And after all I can still hope for a 735 to come along.  Big grin

And if you don't like Paris that much (hard to believe!), maybe you didn't get to see the really nice special places yet.
Last year I was there twice, and I felt like a tour guide already when I was there the second time.  Laugh out loud
The city itself is nice, I admit, but nothing that I would long to see again... If I do, ok, but I guess I will have the same emotions then like I have when I go downtown Siegen.  Big thumbs up

...lets not forget, some of the best looking women in the world.
Well that is one reason why I tend to fly up to Sweden so often... If you want pretty girls then that is the place to look for them.
When I was in Paris I had the same feeling as I did in London, Rome, Madrid, Venice, Milan, Singapore,... The best looking females are to be found in Sweden followed by Canada. Smokin cool I even heard that the guys from Canada do look great too.  Big thumbs up

Well if it works out that I join you on your next CDG-tour, then we should also fly to ARN. Just to prove a fact.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


Max


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10825 times:


Thanks for a nice report - in an innovative format.

I wish you the best of luck during the effort to "get" the 318. I hope it´s not going to be a nemesis for you like Max´ 735 or my LH 734 - but of course you´ll have ample time to get this plane.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 10770 times:

@Max
We are planning to try again on either the 20th or 27th of March. If you want to get on a 735, you'll have to take the 1335h departure from DUS, Patrick and I will be leaving at 1050h already in order to have some time for our visit to the Musee de'l Air et de'l Espace in LBG. Return would be at 1830h on the A318 (hopefully).

The city itself is nice, I admit, but nothing that I would long to see again... If I do, ok, but I guess I will have the same emotions then like I have when I go downtown Siegen.

You know, IMO the best part of Siegen is the Talbruecke of the A45 - it takes you right across the city to better places. (Just kidding of course!) Big grin

I even heard that the guys from Canada do look great too.

Nothing beats a healthy dose of self-deceit, doesn't it?  Big grin


@Daniel

As long as there is money in our wallets, we will try again and again and again... at least we are planning to.  Big grin




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User currently offlineGoAllegheny From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 10562 times:

That's a good report. I live near Chicago and ORD - it's nice to see so many international flights, but Paris as a city beats Chicago hands down.

User currently offlineAifos From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10394 times:

Great report.
Magazine's quality! The way of writing down your comments in a 2 way manner is very professional. Congratulations!

As far as Air France, I always try to fly with them when in Europe. As far as the choice of your destination, well Paris along with Rome are the 2 MOST beautiful cities on this planet. No doubt about it.
Thanks to my parents' jobs I have lived enough time in so many countries that I am able to give you this objective yet personal point of view. Long live the cliches, they keep the stupid people out of the most wonderful places!! (French people are mean to American, too proud, too etc...) I know what I am talking about, I now live in L.A, no taste, no art de vivre, no nothing...
BEst,
Chris



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10296 times:

Thanks a lot for your replies guys!

@GoAllegheny: Paris CDG is indeed an interesting airport because it has a lot international carriers, especially I like those exots like Camaroon Airlines, TAAG or Air Senegal, they are quite rare on other European airports.

@Aifos: Thanks for your kind words. I also like the style of this report, we wanted to try something new, I wrote the DUS-CDG part and Jens the parts of our Paris tour and of the return flight, than we exchanged our reports and both of us added additional remarks in the others report.

Patrick


User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1872 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10122 times:

If I am lucky, I should be able to try the A318 before you...
should be Feb 14, on ATH-CDG.
Will tell you if I am lucky....
Teva



Ecoute les orgues, Elles jouent pour toi...C'est le requiem pour un con
25 TriStar500 : @Teva It now almost seems to be certain that you'll get on one of your company's "Baby Busses" before us - since all cheap wekend fares until the chan
26 Teva : @Tristar500 Unfortunately, I don't work for AF. But they have improved so much, that I fly as much as I can with them. Teva
27 Teva : In the reply 24, I said I would take the A318 very soon. Well... I am not lucky.... I am in ATH, and was supposed to fly back tomorrow with an A318. H
28 Sabena 690 : Hi Teva, AF1233 of tomorrow 14/2 will be an A318, but is totally booked out. I hope you will be able to catch your flight due to the snow? Those are t
29 Post contains images GodBless : Well doesn't really have much to do with the A318 but might involve an Airbus... No matter what I wrote in above replies about Paris, I will fly there
30 707cmf : Well, did it yesterday, got my 318 flight. You shall (les eaux) see my trip report quite soon 707
31 Post contains images TriStar500 : Max, You can be sure, if it involves flights to Paris, the wish for certain aircraft types and myself as a travel companion, we will most likely not g
32 Sabena332 : Antoine, I am glad that you got a flight on the Baby-Bus, now I am looking forward to your report. Patrick
33 707CMF : My pictures getting uploaded and accepted quite well, I hope to post it during the week (if I feel any better, that is...) 707
34 Teva : Frederic, thank you for the update. Patrick, I did it yesterday. I ope to have time to make my trip report during the weekend. It was a really nice fl
35 Post contains images Sabena332 : Teva, also congratulations to your first A 318 flight, you guys simply have more luck than we had . Of course I am also looking forward to your report
36 Post contains images 707CMF : Teva, if you need interior pics of AF318 for your report, you now know where to find them 707
37 Post contains images Patroni : Hi Patrick & Jens, Really nice trip report with great supporting photos! A pity though that you didn't get the A318, always these network management d
38 707CMF : 737-800 instead of 747SP, 737-200 instead of 727-100, 737-400 instead of 727-200 wow, that's gotta hurt ! 707
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