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KLM Cityhopper F70 MAN-AMS W/Pics! (Long)  
User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (11 years 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 14034 times:

Hi everyone,

This is my report on two airlines I flew on Tuesday to Amsterdam!  Smile

I'm a KLM Silver Elite Flying Dutchman member and had quite a lot of points to use before they would expire for this year. So I decided to take me and my friend to AMS for a day of spotting on an Award Booking.

I only had enough miles to go one-way, so we decided to fly to Schiphol from Manchester with KLM, and back with easyJet to Liverpool. It would be our first flight with easyJet and our first flight on a Fokker 70!

We booked our flights in June, and got a very good fare with easyJet. KLM charged us for the taxes though, so not entirely a free flight!  Big grin

As time got closer to the flight date I was getting more excited, as this would be my first "airline" flight since February with British Airways.

I have tried to make this trip report as detailed as possible, so I apologize if it is too long!  Big grin

Enjoy!  Big thumbs up

August 17, 2004
KLM Cityhopper KL1074
Manchester - International (MAN / EGCC) to Amsterdam - Schiphol (AMS / EHAM)
Fokker 70 (F-28-0070) PH-KZF (CN 11577)
Gate Departure Scheduled/Actual 0820/0819 Local Time
Gate Arrival Scheduled/Actual 1040/1035 Local Time
Economy Class, Seat 03E

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Having only had 2-3 hours sleep, we got up at 4.00 am. Surprisingly I wasn't that tired, must have been all the excitement! All my stuff was packed ready, so we left for the airport at around 4.30, my mates dad kindly took us to MAN. The sun was just starting to rise as we drove along the motorway, and around 20-30 minutes later we had arrived at Terminal 2!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

It was a nice day for a change in Manchester, not too much cloud cover.  Big grin

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KLM had previously used Terminal 1, but since the merger with Air France they have moved to T2.

T2 this morning was packed with holidaymakers flying with First Choice, Britannia and Excel. We tried to check-in for our flight straight away, but the check-in agent said we were a bit too early, and said to come back in another 10 minutes. We decided to have a quick walk down the skylink, and it looked excellent all lit up!

When we were down the skylink a MyTravel B757 G-RJGR was seen on finals to 24R. So we knew we would be departing from 24L!

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We walked back to the check-in area, and then checked-in for our flight. We only had hand baggage so it was a very quick and easy process. We were one of the first to check-in. We then got handed our Aviance boarding passes, last time I flew with KLM they had their own!

Here is mine, in all its glory!  Big grin

We went straight to the departure lounge, which has recently had a re-vamp. A few shops and bars have been added, but it looks pretty much the same!

We noticed one aircraft straight away that you don't see everyday at Manchester, it was an Air Greenland B757 parked at a remote stand, in the beautiful new livery!  Big thumbs up

It positioned in on Monday to operate for MyTravel to Ibiza as MYT115.

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Virgin's two 742s were also seen, as well as two BY 767s in the old livery, one was a 200. The stands were filled with charter airlines, with a KL 734 and AF A320 in between! We decided to have a walk down the terminal, and spotted an Astraeus Sched. 73G pushing back for Malta. An ex. Britannia 762 G-BOPB was also seen on stand, now with Excel.

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We had a quick look at the Alpha duty free shop, and then went to have a drink in the ex. Virgin Sun cafe. It only has recently re-opened, it still has the old Virgin Sun slogans down the side!

We saw quite a few aircraft taxi by, including a Ryanair 732 EI-COX rushing to get to its gate. The time passed fairly quickly and before we knew it, it was time to head towards our gate; thankfully it was only a few metres away!

Our bird then landed PH-KZF, this was going to be an on-time departure, a first for me with KLM! The Aviance staff then came towards the gate getting ready to board the flight. The passengers of KL1073 then disembarked via the Fokker 70s own stairs. The First Officer then conducted a walkaround of the aircraft.

At this point we were so excited, only a few more minutes and then we will be on-board! This flight was going to be packed, and I sadly counted how many business men were on-board this flight, about 15 or so!

Anyway, the time came to board; we were at the front of the queue so we went walked down the gate and saw our nice looking F-70 out in the sun! Got a very nice view of the other aircraft as we walked towards our Fokker. We eventually boarded and the two smart cabin crew (wearing the new style uniform!) directed to our seats 3D and 3E, the flight deck door was open, and we had a great view of the Cpt and F/O preparing for our departure.

The Fokker 70, like the 100 is configured with a 3-2 seating layout; you can see our cabin on this photo below.

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A nice selection of newspapers was to be found, I didn't take one though, looking out of the window is my entertainment! We sat down, and began to realize how comfy these seats actually were, really soft fabric, with some nice legroom to match (32in. or so!). The flight deck door was still open, and the ATC was heard! All the passengers boarded pretty quickly, and within 5 minutes everybody had boarded.

The door was closed and we were ready to begin our pushback, the two F/A's started their safety demo at the gate. It was done in both Dutch and English, once the demo had finished we started pushing.

Our number two RR TAY 620-15, began to slowly wind up. It was quite quiet up here so you couldn't really tell the engine was beginning to start at all. Pushback was soon completed, and our two Tay's were fully started. While we stopped to await taxi clearance, the Captain came on with a few details.

The aircraft had a faulty APU, so the captain said the aircraft would be a bit hot, it was. But when he would apply power, the bleed air from the engines would make the aircraft cool, via the air-conditioning. He said not to worry about it; it’s something we all have to live with!  Big grin

He said to enjoy the flight and he would tell us a few more details of the flight once we had got airborne, he was a very friendly guy! So was the First Officer, we found this out when we got a flight deck visit, more about that later!  Smile

These following pics are from my friend, he hogged the window seat for this part of the flight!  Wink/being sarcastic

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We then started to taxi, to 24L.

As the Cpt. applied power a big whoosh of air conditioning came on, we passed a PIA 777 on the way, that was going to be departing to Toronto in a few hours time. This was going to be a 0 flap departure today; this is very normal on the Fokker 100 and 70. We soon taxied across 24R, and lined up straight away on 24L. A British Airways Dash-8 and ERJ were holding.

The Captain spooled the Tay's up slowly towards 40-50% N1, and then applied the required reduced thrust for take-off, 13,850s worth of thrust was now powering us down the runway! You could really feel pushed back into your seat; this is what I love about a take-off, the sense of power! The cabin wasn't really noisy at all during the roll, but after about 20 seconds we smoothly rotated, just passing the bridge under the runway. We started climbing in a nice steep angle, around 20 degrees.

We soon passed the clouds over Knutsford in Cheshire (a very nice town by the way!), at around 3000 feet or so.

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We began a right hand turn over Cheshire to position ourselves towards the direction of AMS. My friend took a nice overview shot of MAN at this point, look how busy the airport was! Big thumbs up

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The seat-belt sign was turned off at this point, and the cabin-crew began preparing the sandwich and beverage service in the galley. We climbed pretty quickly, and soon made our up to our cruising altitude of 27,000 feet.

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It was a beautiful day for flying, and there was only little cloud cover on the ground.

My photos from now on!  Smile

We then passed over East Anglia; you can just make out the coast on this photo below.

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I had a quick look at KLM's excellent in-flight magazine, Holland Herald. It is very good; I especially like the fleet page and route map. It said on the front "Your copy to keep", so that is what I did after the flight!  Big grin

We are now cruising steadily along at 27,000 feet, and what a beautiful day it was outside! I took a photo of the rounded window, which is seldom seen on other aircraft types.

At this point I was getting pretty hungry, so I glad to see the trolley's appearing from the galley!  Big grin

The male cabin-crew offered a choice of either chicken or cheese sandwich, with either tea or coffee or a juice. Most people chose the chicken sandwich (including my friend!), but I went for the cheese!  Smile

My Gouda cheese sandwich with pesto!  Smile

The drinks were served after the sandwich, which is why my Orange Juice is not in the pic! The sandwich was really good, and the pesto underneath the cheese gave it a really nice taste! It was a bit on the small side though!  Big thumbs up

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Cruising along at 27,000 feet!

We both were thoroughly enjoying the KLM Cityhopper experience, as well as the Fokker 70s performance! It was nearly time to start the descend into Schiphol. So the cabin-crew began collecting everyone's rubbish in, it only took them a matter of minutes to do this as this is only an 80 seater!  Big grin

After nicely cruising along at 27,000 feet for 55 minutes, the Tay's winded their way down slowly to idle. The seat belt sign was switched back on, and our airbrake was deployed at the back, the buffeting affect was felt! The descent at this point became steeper, because of the airbrake.

The famous "Cabin crew prepare for landing" was heard over the flight interphone!  Big grin

We then passed some mean looking clouds as we just approached the Dutch coast. I was hoping for a few bumps, but they never came.

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We then approached into Holland, there was a very small airfield right on the coast, and a few gliders were there. Does anyone know what this airfield was called?  Smile

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The flaps were then slowly extended and we could hear the A/P being disconnected in the flight deck, so no auto land would be happening today! We then approached over a few of the famous dykes, and with a thud the landing gear was brought down.

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Full flap was selected and we could see some input from the pilot flying (PF), a very smooth approach was flown by him!
We were only a few seconds from landing at this point, and I got really nice shot of our aircraft reflected in the ground!

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The power slowly winded away, flared nicely over the threshold and floated for a bit, power was brought down to idle, and we had a nice firm touchdown a little after the TDZE on 18R!  Big thumbs up

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I couldn't hear the reverse being deployed, so I don't know if we used any. We might have used idle reverse, but im sure if someone spotted our flight landing they could clear that up for me! We braked quite nicely and came to a stop in a short distance.  Smile

Here are us vacating 18R, with the spoilers deployed.

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We taxied pretty quickly and passed the famous bridge that is over the motorway! After around 5 minutes of taxing, the Captain came on and said that we were waiting for a follow-me-car, to bring us to a stand next to the other KLM Fokker’s.

We parked up, our two Tay's winded down, and that was it flight over! We waited until everyone had got off, so we could as the cabin crew for a visit to the flight deck. Within a few minutes everyone had disembarked, and we asked the cabin crew, she said yes no problem.  Big thumbs up

We went straight in, and you could feel how cramped it was. They both were very friendly guys, and they were going to explain a lot more about "there" flight deck, but the bus was waiting and we had to go, so I couldn't get a pic!

Anyway, here is what one looks like.  Big grin

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So we boarded the bus, and had a good view of all the aircraft as we went to arrivals.

KLM Cityhopper were fantastic on this trip, and I was really impressed with power of the Fokker 70!

I have never had a bad flight on KLM, and they are in my opinion better then British Airways short-haul and long-haul. Keep up the good work!  Big thumbs up

Hope you have enjoyed my report, any comments or questions will be welcome!  Smile

Watch out for my return easyJet trip report to Liverpool coming soon!


26 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
User currently offlineVaporlock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13662 times:

Daniel, nice Trip Report!!!!!!! Wow, you sure nailed this.....great report and the pics are amazing!  Big thumbs up

Phyllis  Wink/being sarcastic

User currently offlineA3204eva From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1060 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13654 times:

Great report mate Smile

Loved the pics. Especially the walkway shot, which looks great at night/early morning Smile

Though, a Ryanair fan going on an Easyjet flight? Dear me Big grin


"They have lady pilots......... they're not that good, but they have 'em"
User currently offlinePilot kaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13657 times:


me and fellow A.netters walking through that at the MAN meet hehe, whatta night!

oh and good report.

User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 13651 times:

Great report Daniel, and some amazing photos too, particularly that overview of MAN Big grin.


Once you have tasted flight, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned forever skyward
User currently offlineFlySwiss From Switzerland, joined Jul 2003, 446 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13313 times:

Excellent trip report, can't wait till September when I fly the first time with KLM.

Simle at the world and the world smiles back :)
User currently offlineWidgetBoi From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1432 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13271 times:

wonderful report!


User currently offlineFutureUApilot From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13227 times:

Awesome report!! I love that tunnel!!  Big thumbs up

The Pilot is the highest form of life on Earth!
User currently offlineJkw777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13151 times:


Excellent report mate! Very very nice pictures, a nice detailed report which made it interesting to read!

Loved it!

Cheers for this excellent read, look forward to part two!  Big grin


Justin Big grin

User currently offlineSteve7E7 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 478 posts, RR: 49
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13149 times:

Quality report mate,excellent pics too Smile
I'm looking forward even more to my first KLM flights next month now.

User currently offlineWindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1319 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13145 times:

Very detailed, nicely put! Glad you enjoyed your trip. Can't wait for the return trip report.

Great report, Daniel, made fantastic reading. Thanks


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User currently offlineSA006 From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 1883 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 13134 times:

Awsome Daniel!  Big thumbs up

Hope to see many more from you  Wink/being sarcastic


Proudly South African
User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13085 times:

Thanks for all your comments!  Big thumbs up

Keep them coming!  Big grin


User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2040 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 12994 times:

Great report. Isn't the aircondtioning weird on those F100s? Love the pictures.



It takes a big man to admit they are wrong, and I am not a big man.
User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 41
Reply 14, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12958 times:

Great report, thanks a lot  Big thumbs up

I always enjoyed seeing the KL F70's at HUY everyday when I worked there last year. They give the impression of being a real pocket rocket. Hope to get a ride in one someday!

Like a fine wine, one gets better with age.
User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 804 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 12928 times:


Great trip report and brilliant pictures! KLM's onboard service is second to none and Schiphol is an amazing airport.

I'm looking forward to reading the return flight!


1st Post Big grin

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User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2189 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12858 times:


Having flown both BA and KLM shorthaul this year, i would say BA were better but KLM aren't that far behind.

Great report, keep up the good work  Smile


User currently offlineCaptainGomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12778 times:

Great report and even better pictures!

"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12697 times:

Thanks guys.  Smile

The Fokker 70s are indeed powerful aircraft, hope to get on one again!  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2600 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12570 times:

I flew MAN-DUS-MAN on a BD Fokker 70 a few years ago. It was a very nice experience, and particularly memorable as BD no longer operate the F70 any more, and Lufthansa now operate the MAN-DUS route.

I've flown many times on the BD F100's though, even on the flightdeck when I was on a work experience placement at MME at the age of 15 or 16. Very enjoyable!

User currently offlineMYT332 From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 9114 posts, RR: 68
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 12543 times:

Nice read Daniel, really informative.

Glad your flight was enjoyable it's made me look forward to my MAN-AMS flight next month now, lets just hope for bigger portions!  Big grin

Great pics as well!

One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4107 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12528 times:

Great report, well done Big thumbs up


Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2386 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 12506 times:

Excellent report! I love trip reports with pics! Big grin

User currently offlineBCALdavid From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12491 times:

Great report - I haven't been on a Fokker 70 yet so very jealous! I've also been waiting a long time to see an Air Greenland aircraft, I wish I'd known one was coming to Manchester.

User currently offlineKiwiNanday From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 12393 times:

Very good trip report! I need to make one about my flight to Norfolk... that's gonna suck......

Sorry about what this originally said, I'm so tired I don't have any common sense....


[Edited 2004-08-24 13:57:04]

25 PH-BFA : That airfield has to be valkenburg(EHVB) PH-BFA
26 Post contains links and images Erwin972 : Daniel, Nice report! Few remarks: The small airstrip with the gliders is most probably 'Langevelderslag'. From there you followed the coastline for a
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