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User currently offlineFqtv From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 156 posts, RR: 0
Posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5475 times:

Hi folks,

this is my first trip report, and just so it doesn’t get too long I’ll only write the first two segments (MUC-FRA-HKG) now, and add the rest later in a different post. This was my whole itinerary:

Munich - Frankfurt on Lufthansa (econ)
Frankfurt - Hong Kong on Lufthansa (econ)
Hong Kong - Aukland on Air New Zealand (biz)
Aukland - Nadi,Fiji on AirNZ (econ)
Nadi - Los Angeles via Rarotonga and Papeete on AirNZ (biz)
Los Angeles - Frankfurt on AirNZ (biz)
Frankfurt - Munich on Lufthansa (econ)
the whole trip took about 5 weeks

* January 8th 2001, MUC - FRA on LHxxx, departure 3:45pm *

after a really sad goodbye to my girlfriend (in the departure lounge I almost decided to turn back and forget the whole trip), the LH hop to Frankfurt was called. We were bussed out to the plane which I used to really like but now its just annoying, especially in January. It was an A320, and I was seated near the back with a group of Scandinavian soldiers with KFOR patches on their uniforms. The flight was pretty quick, about 40 mins and the stewards (all male) came around serving drinks. They were wearing uniforms with patches on their shoulders (one stripe) and at first I thought they were trainee pilots or something, but later realised that this was the new uniform for male FAs. We arrived in Frankfurt on-time, and once again it was a bus ride to the terminal. I had about 45 mins till the LH744 to Hong Kong was scheduled to leave. (I’m sorry if these first few posts are lacking in detail (I even forgot the flight numbers!) but after all the flights on this trip the first couple seem really distant).

* January 8th 2001, FRA - HKK on LHxxx, departure around 5:25pm *

after a short walk from the bus drop-off point, I was at the gate for my flight and could see the 747-400 through the windows. There was still a bit of a queue going into the gate area, so I decided to just sit and wait in the concourse for a while. I heard the gate agents calling out that anyone still waiting for an upgrade to First class should approach the desk, and some guys who had been apprehensively lounging around jumped and practically ran over  Smile. I’ve never even seen LH’s First Class cabin, but the MUC-FRA-HKG return trip costs DM15,000 in First (as opposed to DM1,200 in economy) so it should be pretty good. Anyway, eventually I went through and boarded the plane. The first thing I noticed is that the business class cabin is really big. It runs from the nose to door 2, with only a small galley by door 1 as a break. I know its pretty good compared to economy, but I prefer smaller main-deck biz cabins (max 4 rows or so) as on Virgin, Ansett and Air NZ, and the LH seats and seat pitch didn’t look all that good. Anyway, I didn’t want to stare into biz for too long, as I knew my seat was, ahem, further to the rear. I’ve read reports about Lufthansa’s service here before, and had prepared myself for the worst, but I was actually very pleasantly surprised. The economy section wasn’t exactly spacious, but it was very clean, looked new, and when I actually got to my seat (an aisle seat in the first econ cabin) I found that the space was actually pretty good and I could stretch my legs out under the seat in front of me. My flight attendant was really nice (I had actually already gotten to know her, as my original seat was occupied by a mother who had flown in from Rio and wanted to sit next to her three screaming kids and she had asked if I would mind sitting a few rows further back, like hell I minded  Smile). The FA brought round boxes of OJ, we taxied to the runway and were off. All in all, the in-flight service was good. We were given menus that made the food sound quite delicious (shame they don’t have menus in Y on NZ), and the food was actually good. The FAs brought round trays of juice and water about every 30 mins throughout the night. I was awake for most of the 10 hour flight because it was my first time flying further east than Turkey, and I was constantly running back to the back door to look out the window (the rear-door window on the 747 is the best spot on any plane for viewing, IMHO, you can almost look straight down). It was night, but the moon was full and the Siberian tundra, Gobi desert (I think) and lots of other great sights were clearly visible. Eventually I fell asleep in my seat, and was awakened to the (god-awful) smell of breakfast. There was no choice of meals, it was omelette with sausage or nothing. I chose the omelette, but one look confirmed my suspicions and I just ate the roll and cheese on the tray. The breakfast was disappointing, especially as I had really enjoyed the flight so far but oh well, you can’t have everything. The trays were cleared, and we began our descent into HKG. As you probably guessed, I didn’t have a window seat (I hate not having a window seat  Smile ), and I was especially annoyed when the captain came over the intercom and said that out of the left windows there was a great view of Kowloon and the old airport. I had heard a lot about Kaitak, but I only became interested in aviation after it closed so I would have really liked to have seen it from the air. Oh well. Anyway, the landing at Chep Lak Kok was just about the hardest I’ve ever experienced, and lots of the passengers were making „ohh" noises, but we made it. I was really surprised to see (from my limited view out the windows) that most of Chep Lak Kok island was bare, but I guess they’ve left a lot of it bare to make room for expansion. We disembarked, and I must say I really like the new airport. I stayed in Hong Kong for about 4 days, I’ll post the next part of the trip (on Air New Zealand, with a complementary biz-class upgrade) soon.

Cheers, Zac

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User currently offlinePicarus From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 316 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5302 times:

Nice report Zac.

User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2549 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5257 times:

Please poist the AirNZ report soon, by the way, AirNZ do serve menus. On all flights i have been on we have got Menus.


User currently offlineFqtv From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5249 times:

Hi Mikey
I'll post the next trip report in a few minutes. I don't know what you mean about the menus, though, because I've never recieved a menu in economy on AirNZ before. Guess I was just unlucky  Smile
Cheers, Zac

User currently offlineFqtv From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5299 times:

ok, I’ve finally got time to sit down and write about the next part of my trip. By the way, I did fly around the world but it wasn’t a RTW ticket. If you book a ticket from Europe to New Zealand on Air New Zealand, you have the option of a free stopover in LA (this was always the case), or a free stopover in Hong Kong or Singapore (new). The FRA-HKG and FRA-Singapore flights are done by Lufthansa (as you may have guessed by my above post), and in HKG you take an AirNZ plane to AKL (in Singapore I think its a Singapore Airlines flight to AKL). I just asked for a stopover in HKG on the way, and in LAX on the way back. Anyway, on with the report...

after 4 days in Hong Kong (wow!) it was time for my next flight. I wanted to have a look around the new airport so I left Kowloon around 11am, even though my flight wasn’t until 7:25pm or so. I got there around noon.

* January 13th 2001, HKG-AKL on NZ70, Boeing 767-300ER *
checkin didn't open until around 3 1/2 hours before the flight, so looked around Chep Lap Kok, wrote postcards, got ripped off in one of the airport restaurants etc.. I was planning to be the first in line at chekin, but it didn't open where I thought it would and by the time I got there there were already quite a few people in line (this was still 3 hours before the flight!). I am an Air New Zealand silver frequent flyer, and had requested an upgrade from economy to business using my complementary upgrade voucher, meaning if there was space in business (there was, I checked on the internet) the upgrade would be preconfirmed 24 hours before the flight. Anyway, there was no problem - I just went up to the business class counter, handed over my ticket, passport and voucher, and was handed a boarding pass for seat 1A. Off I headed to the lounge. The lounge indicated by the checkin agent was the United Red Carpet lounge, but when I got there the Thai lounge was right next to it and I decided to go there instead. For some reason I was under the impression that the Thai lounges are better than United, is this true? Anyway, it was pretty good, all the usual drinks and snacks. I got myself a Baileys on the rocks, a plate of sandwiches and sat down at the computer to write off some emails to my friends (most of them along the lines of "hello, haha, I'm in a biz class lounge in Hong Kong about to take a biz class flight to New Zealand and you are all at work/in school haha"  Smile ). Anyway, around 7:00 we were called for boarding. I made my way to the gate, presented my boarding pass to the lady doing the biz-class boarding (that is one more thing I love about biz class, they don't just ask you to board first, they actually have a dedicated line for you so you can board whenever without having to wait in the queue), and was off to the plane. I have been a fan of Air New Zealand ever since I started flying frequently (but this trip report will still be objective), and they really are quite good - if you have the chance, give them a try. Anyway I was really looking forward to the flight. I sat down at my seat (biz class was about 3/4 full) and pretty quickly a steward came up and offered me some champaign. After about half an hour (an a few more glasses of champers  Big grin ) everyone was on, the doors closed and we pushed back. For the biz class section there seemed to be three crew members - one in the galley and two serving, plus the in-flight service director from time to time. The two who were serving were oriental (a guy and girl) and really nice. The guy came around after takeoff introducing himself, and asked what I would like to drink before the meal (and he knew my name). I probably took a Baileys, I'm afraid I've forgotten some of the details of these first few flights. After the steward had left, the in-flight service director also came around introducing himself, and wishing us a pleasant flight. I have also forgotten what the meal was, so I'll just describe AirNZ's business class dinner service in general terms. As I've mentioned, after takeoff (sometimes before) a crew member will come around introducing him/herself and taking orders for drinks, and either then (or maybe its before that, I'm not sure) you will be presented with a menu and wine list. When the appetisers are served, a table cloth is draped on you tray table and a tray with the appetiser, cutlery, nice little tumblers of salt and pepper, butter, bread plate etc. is presented. During the appetiser, the crew come round with 'the bakery' as they call it, a basket with garlic bread, olive bread and some other breads. If you choose olive bread, the crew also fill a little dish with olive oil for you to dip it in. All the dishes are big and have a nice, solid feel to them. After the appetiser, the main course (there are usually 3 choices) is brought to you (individually, not on trolleys), followed by desert. With every course wine is offered (and after the main course the crew come around again topping up peoples' glasses). The desert is served from a desert trolley (meaning you can see all the different options and point at the one you want) and is accompanied by a desert wine - let me just say here that the thing I love most about biz class is the food and wine, not PTVs, not space etc. so I'm sorry if I'm rambling on here  Smile. The desert wine is always superb, and usually I just continue drinking it all through the flight. After desert a cheese board is offered, (I think there are usually around 5 different cheeses), and again you point at the cheeses you want and they cut a slice off and put it on a plate with some grapes, and port and red wine are then also offered. After all that the crew serve tea and coffee, or for people like me, digestifs and wine. I am sorry that I can't remember exactly what I had. Anyway, the rest of the flight was nice, we flew over the Philippines, Indonesia (I think), then joined the north coast of Australia and finally flew across the Tasmin into Auckland. The movies were a bit disappointing, but I found one I liked and spent the rest of the time looking out the window (it was a clear, moonlit night and I could see a lot of what we were flying over) and drinking wine. The crew came around throughout the night topping off people's water glasses, or in my case, my wine glass (I think they had recognised me as an Air New Zealand silver frequent drinker  Smile ) so I had a nice time. Oh and by the way, I'm not an alcoholic or anything, just Welsh  Big grin. Anyway, about 1 1/2 hours before landing (somewhere over the Tasmin) the lights started to come on, people stated putting their window shades up (it was bright and sunny outside) and the in-flight service director came on the intercom wishing us all a good morning, hoped we could get some sleep etc. etc. and the breakfast service was started. Again, I'm afraid I've forgotten exactly what was offered for breakfast, so I'll just sum up the service in general terms. First, the crew come around with warm towels. Then, the trolley comes around (when I say trolley I don't mean one of those tall airline things, I mean the desert-trolley-like one that is open and has two shelves, so you can see everything that's on it) with different kinds of juice, tea/coffee and sometimes these fruit-shake type things they call smoothies. After that, table clothes go onto your tray tables, the tray with cutlery/butter etc. is presented and a continental selection is offered. It starts with a bowl of tropical fruit (which I personally don't like), then yogurt, cereal, and different types of bread are offered (croissants, toast and some others that I've never tried). After that, if you are still hungry, you can choose what they call a "hot option", basically a meal. I chose some kind of noodle dish, I'm pretty sure the other options were scrambled eggs and french toast. After that, breakfast was over and everything was cleared away. I spent the rest of the flight filling out my arrival documentation and trying to sober up, because I was being met at the airport by my aunt. The landing was smooth and my bags turned up pretty quickly.
All in all I enjoyed the flight, the food was good, the seats are very comfortable and they crew were very friendly without being too "matey". There were some things, however, that I didn't like:
- as I said, the crew came around throughout the night with drinks, but not all that frequently, and I had to get up and go to the galley a few times to have my glass refilled. I know that most people were sleeping and therefore didn't need their glasses topped up all that often, and I bet all the AirNZ fans are saying "so what you had to get up you lazy bastard" ( Smile ) but I would have preferred it if someone had kept an eye on my glass - I've heard they do this on Singapore and a few others.
- the food was good, but the main course portion was a little small. I would love to see AirNZ do the same as Ansett and have an in-flight chef
- I didn't like the selection of movies, and AirNZ's J class PTV system is not as good as even SQ's economy one - there are 8 movie/show channels and you can forget pausing/rewinding etc. AirNZ is upgrading their PTV systems in a few months, does anyone know if they are going to improve the selection?

But these are tiny complaints and otherwise the flight was really good. I spent two days in New Zealand (I was basically just there to visit my aunt, see my cousin and have some of the amazing NZ wine that is so expensive here in Europe, also because you can't combine HKG and NAN (the two places I really wanted to go) on Air NZ without flying via Auckland). I'll post the next leg of my trip, AKL-NAN in economy soon. Hope you liked the report

Cheers, Zac

User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2549 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 5222 times:

Great Report, I know why you liked the Wine.... It was NZ wine that is why!! Have as much as you can it is Complimentary!

On all 744 the PTV's are getting Upgraded starting in March!! PTV's will go in Economy, which is meant to be better than SQ's Economy Class PTVs.

On 767 aircraft PTV installment will start next year with Up grades of seats and PTV's in Biz class!!

Hope that helps. I also agree that they should have an inflight chef!! I am glad that you Enjoyed my fellow flight attendant friends!! Maybe i will be you Flight attendant in the near future!!


"We hope you have enjoyed Flying with AirNZ and we hope to see you in the Near future!!"

User currently offlineFqtv From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5236 times:

Hi Mikey
yeah if you are my cabin attendent you can keep an eye on my glass  Big grin. I'll be flying back to NZ and Fiji in April via LHR/LAX, I'm hoping to get upgraded again (either with points, or gold upgrade certs cause I should be NZ gold by then), so is there anything else you know about the changes AirNZ are making to J/Y, and do you think any of the 744s will have them by then?
Cheers, Zac

P.S. I'll post the rest of the trip down here quite soon. AKL-NAN was uneventful (NZ66, 737-300), but NAN-RAR-PPT-LAX was amazing (NZ46, 767-300ER in biz) and LAX-FRA was great too

User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2549 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 5196 times:

I hope you enjoyed my hometown of Rarotonga!! I love going back there!! Such friendly people!!
Ia Orana!

Anyways, It usually takes2-3months to install one 744 with PTV's, so i donot think that they will have them by then.

But when you come Next year you will have them.
Did you know AirNZ was recently Voted 2nd best airline to operate USA-Europe flights??
Great for a Foreign Airline to win it. And with only two services to Europe from LAX.

Virgin Atlantic came first!! grrrr!!

Looking forward to your trip report!! I hope you enjoyed our HOT, HOT Summer. 38 Degrees here right now. SOOOOO Hot!!!!

Darn it you got Flight 66. I hate that Flight. The plane is too small i think! They need to operate big planes to all International destinations and not 733.

Never the lease i hope you had a good flight with my future employees!!

I will be hoping to become a Cabin Crew member in 2-3 years.

I hope you still are a Loyal customer to NZ!!


PS Why do you like Fiji so much?? And NZ?

User currently offlineFqtv From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2000, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 5219 times:

ok, I can finally write some more of my report. At this rate I won't be finished for a week  Smile.

Thanks for the info mikey, I don't like the international 737s either, especially because NZ66 was absolutely full (100% full of paying pax in biz, 100% full in econ - I‘m sure it was a very profitable flight for AirNZ). I guess because of the coup in Fiji they just can't fill enough 767s to fly them on a regular basis like they used to. Oh well, things in Fiji are starting to pick up again and so there should be more bigger planes soon. There are a few reasons why I fly to Fiji so much: I love the place, I’ve got friends there, I’ve actually even got family there (my uncle lives there and owns Taveuni Estates on Taveuni, and my mum comes from Lautoka, she's there right now and we're building a house on Taveuni), plus I’m addicted to airpoints and love flying, especially on AirNZ  Smile. I also have lots of relatives in NZ, and since the difference between flying Europe-Fiji and Europe-NZ-Fiji is only a few hundred marks, I always make a short stop in Auckland to enjoy my aunt’s cooking and taste the amazing wines. Flying to NZ is also great because its so far, which means its really cheap to book stops along the way (ie. Hong Kong, Singapore, LA, Las Vegas, Cook Islands, Australia, etc. each for just a few hundred marks extra at the most). For example, my ticket this time cost DM2600 (about US$1200) for a RTW trip to Hong Kong, NZ, Fiji and LA, ca 40,000kms, 52 hours of flying (partly in biz) on 9 flights and it was great holiday. And I unfortunately didn’t stop in Rarotonga, I was just in transit - damn! It looked like a beautiful place, and I wish I had booked a stopover. Oh well, next time  Smile. Anyway, on with my report...

* January 15th 2001, AKL-NAN on NZ66, Boeing 737-300 (international configuration, ie. 12 biz seats) *

after a great 2 days in Auckland (I took my cousin out to Alegria, it was superb) it was time to head off to Fiji. My flight was due to leave at 9:20am, and as luck would have it some of my aunt’s friends were flying to Brisbane at 9am so I caught a ride to the airport with them. We got to the airport at around 7am (yawn), and I felt kind of bad leaving them to line up in economy while I went to the premium checkin room, but the economy line was looong and I wasn’t snobby about it or anything, I just said that I had requested an upgrade and that meant I could go to the biz class checkin. I said goodbye to them and was off. I absolutely LOVE AirNZ’s biz/first checkin facilities in Auckland. They have this extra room you go into, they take care of departure tax/immigration etc. right at checkin, and then you leave by an escalator that takes you strait to where the security check and departure gates are. I have never been to an airport where the time between arriving at the checkin desk and clearing security is less, not even Munich. The checkin lady was very nice, she told me that biz class was fully booked (I already knew this from the internet), but she would put priority tags on my bags, and I could wait in the lounge to see if a space came up (I was the only one on the upgrade list). This seems to be standard practice at AirNZ - if you request an upgrade, you get priority tags and a lounge pass even if biz is fully booked. After checkin I went through security, went shopping in the duty free shops (I got some of those no jet lag pills that really seem to work) and then went to the lounge. The girl at the lounge desk was really really nice. She also took my boarding pass and said she would monitor the biz class seats on the flight and call me if I was upgraded. I spent about an hour and a half looking out the window, reading the paper and drinking juice. Eventually my flight was called, the girl at the front desk said she was sorry that all the biz pax had checked in and there were no free seats, I said no probs and went to the gate to board the plane. One thing I’d like to add here: I’ve often seen people have tantrums when they are told they can’t be upgraded, and I absolutely hate this - a biz class upgrade is like a nice perk for being loyal to a particular airline, not something anyone is entitled to, and those people who absolutely need them should pay for J and save themselves the worry. I was one of the last people at the gate so there was no queue, and I went straight onto the plane. Once again I was struck by the difference between biz class on European short-haul aircraft and those of other airlines. On Lufthansa’s 737s and A32xs for example, there is no difference between the seats and seating arrangement in biz and economy. They have the same seat pitch, seat colour, seat material, seat everything. The only difference is that on the left hand side of some aircraft, the middle seat turns into a sort of arm rest so you end up with a 2-3 config instead of a 3-3. I was once upgraded on a flight from MUC-LHR on LH and can also tell you that the service is practically the same. The meal still comes all on one tray with plastic dishes etc. Take my advice and don’t pay extra for inter-European biz class unless you are addicted to lounges or hate lining up at checkin or something. Sorry, I’m rambling on here  Smile. I had seat 5D, and the flight was good but nothing special. After takeoff, drinks and brunch was served. I had a sort of potato cheese and bacon quiche with baked beans - mmm, reminded me of home. The movie was Bedazzled (I liked it), and even though it was the morning I had a few glasses of Sauvignon Blanc (I justified this by saying to myself that it wasn’t morning in the time zone I was on, but it actually probably was  Smile ). The flight was smooth and passed by quickly, the cabin attendants were really nice and after about 2:45mins we were well into our decent to Nadi. We met the coast of Viti Levu around midway between Sigatoka and Pacific Harbour (Airshow is great), then flew up the coral coast, made a loop out over the water and decended into Nadi for a pretty smooth landing. After we disembarked, the first thing that hit me was the sweltering heat (our arrival time was around noon and it seemed absolutely boiling hot and humid - especially because I had been in the depths of European winter only a week earlier). We had to wait quite a while at immigration, but oh well, that’s Fiji. The bags with priority tags came off practically last, but no one seemed to mind, I guess no one was in all that much of a hurry  Smile. I had a great 3 ½ weeks in Fiji, I’ll post the details of my next trips soon (NAN-LAX on NZ46 biz and LAX-FRA on NZ18 biz, the last time I’ll even be landing at FRA on AirNZ) either down here or in a different post. Hope you liked the report

Cheers, Zac

P.S. mikey have you ever flown NZ long haul or NZ biz? what did you think of it?

User currently offlineAirnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2549 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (15 years 3 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5175 times:

NZ long haul is very good to some destinations. i.e Pacific, Asia, Europe and America. They are lacking in the Australian department as many airlines that flt to Aussie from NZ donot offer great service so NZ follows there examples!! Shame on them.

Biz class is very good!! I have found it very nice. Especially in the 733. I flew it on a domestic flight. I was upgraded as there were only two americans and I on board, so we got to go up there. Great flight!!

AirNZ do still fly the 767-300 to Nadi. They fly it daily with two daily flights on Friday (763 and 744) and a (733 and 763) I think Maonday?? Not sure.

How do you like AirNZ's Flight attendants Uniforms?? How did you like Auckland Airport?? Personally it is one of my favourites!! I love it!

I hope your other trips with AirNZ were much better then The ones you have posted. They donot sound like AirNZ. i.e No pre-flight Drinks before Takeoff. No menus. And none of that special Kiwi Hospitality!!

Oh, well Looking forward to your Next trip report!! Keep it coming!

Future Flight attendant for AirnZ

User currently offlineRyanair From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (15 years 3 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5170 times:

Really interesting, keep posting. It's a shame you missed Kai Tak, it was always an experience, no matter how many times I passed through it.

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