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Flying Into Berlin Tempelhof With InterSky  
User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 13
Posted (10 years 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2725 times:

There were two reasons for this trip to Berlin: on the one hand, I wanted to visit a friend of mine who has moved to Berlin. On the other hand, I have always wanted to fly into THF, and with the airport now probably being closed in October this year, I was running out of time. So I looked at the alternatives I had from Southern Germany (I live in Stuttgart, but there are no flights from STR into THF). I had the choice between Cirrus Airlines / LH from MHG, Denim Air from AGB, Swiss from BSL or InterSky from FDH. LH / Cirrus was extremely expensive, the flight times of Denim Air weren’t convenient to me (the flights leave AGB very early in the morning, and I still had to get to AGB) and Swiss had announced that they would move all their operations to TXL, and I didn’t want to run the risk of flying to TXL instead of THF. So I finally decided to book InterSky from FDH. They offer a low-fare concept with one-way fares starting from EUR 29,00 + tax. However, due to the small size of the planes, only few tickets are sold at that price.


Tuesday, 14 September 2004
Friedrichshafen (FDH) – Berlin Tempelhof (THF)
Airline: InterSky
Flight number: 3L 362
Scheduled departure time: 14:15
Scheduled arrival time: 15:55
Type of aircraft: Dash 8-300 Q
Registration: D-BLEJ




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This aircraft was built in 1998 and flew originally for Augsburg Airways in Team Lufthansa before being leased by InterSky in 2003.


I arrived at Friedrichshafen Airport by train after a journey from Stuttgart of about 2 hours. There is a very convenient direct InterRegioExpress service which links Ulm with Friedrichshafen Airport. There were still 3 hours left to my departure, but I wanted to explore this regional airport a bit.


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The terminal is quite modern and has a nice viewing deck. But the apron was completely empty. The only interesting thing was a Zeppelin NT taking off for a sightseeing flight from the other side of the airport. The terminal itself was extremely crowded as there were 4 flights leaving nearly at the same time: Ryanair B 737-800 to STN, Hapag-Lloyd B 737-800 to AYT, Eurowings / LH ATR 72 to FRA and “my” InterSky flight to THF. I took a seat close to the check-in area and waited. Ryanair check-in opened at 12:00 for the departure at 14:10. The flight seemed to have a good load factor and I was surprised to see that the majority of the FR-passengers appeared to be British tourists. But the terminal facilities are definitely not designed to handle 2 fully booked 738’s at the same time: you couldn’t find any free space, it was crowded as hell.

Check-in for the InterSky flight to THF opened at 13:00, only 1:15 before departure. A bit short from a passenger’s point of view, but of course enough time to check everybody in. InterSky flights at FDH are handled by Avicon, the local handling agent who is also responsible for the FR-flights. The lady at the InterSky desk seemed to be some kind of supervisor as her two colleagues at the FR-desks always asked her questions. Nevertheless, check-in procedure was quick and efficient; I requested a window seat in the back of the aircraft and got 14F, the very last row. I asked the check-in agent how many passengers were booked on this flight and was told that there were 30 pax, so load factor was 60%.

I made my way through security control to the waiting area. There are 6 gates at FDH, 3 of them being domestic, 3 international and occupied by Ryanair at that time. At 13:45 I saw InterSky D-BLEJ arriving from VIE and stopping at a position a bit further away from the terminal as the positions directly in front of the gates had already been occupied by FR and HF. As this was half-time of the day’s operations of this InterSky aircraft, there was a crew change. I could see the crew of my flight walking to the aircraft: A captain aged around 40, an extremely young first officer and a young female flight attendant.

Boarding started at 14:00 and was done by the same agent who had already checked me in. To my surprise, there was no bus service. The gate agent just told us to walk to the far back side of the apron, “The small plane back there”. So, together with the other passengers, I had a nice walk passing directly in front of the FR and the HF. When arriving at our Dash 8, we were welcomed by the flight attendant and offered free magazines. The cabin was Lufthansa Regional-style with light grey leather seats, so InterSky obviously didn’t change the interior when taking over the aircraft from Augsburg Airways, but the seats looked still all right.


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The first 2 rows (which means 6 seats as there are only 2 seats in row one) were reserved for Business Class passengers. There were 3 of them on this flight, the rest of the passengers were booked in Economy. I took my seat 14F, and the seat next to me remaining empty. Seat comfort was good for a regional aircraft, but I realized two things: the seats were non-reclining (not only in the last row but also in the other rows) and there were no window shades (did they get some advice from Michael O’Leary ??  Big grin )

The passengers were a mixture of business travellers and leisure travellers; however, leisure travellers seemed to be the majority which might be caused by the flight time in the early afternoon and the fact that there is only one daily flight on this route. I guess they could attract more passengers by offering two daily flights – in the morning and in the evening, but of course they can’t offer all destinations at that times with only one aircraft based at FDH.

The flight attendant made the welcome announcements and the safety instructions. She had a slightly Austrian accent and was wearing a T-shirt with the InterSky logo. The engines were started and we taxied to the runway. Shortly before take-off, there was a welcome announcement from the flight deck: “Ladies and gentlemen, welcome aboard, we will take off in minute”. That was all we heard from the cockpit for the whole flight; there was no in-flight announcement to inform passengers about flight route, altitude, etc. which I missed a bit as I always like to know where I am flying. But even with these short words it couldn’t be overheard that the Captain was Swabian (on the way back there was a Swiss captain, so the airline staff seems to be quite international). We took off over Lake Constance with great views to the coast and the lake with ferries and many sailing ships on it. Later we turned North and it became clouded.

A bit later, cabin service started. The flight attendant was still very young and highly motivated: service was extremely friendly and attentive. At first she told the passengers that InterSky was doing a survey about possible further destinations. She distributed questionnaires which everybody who liked was asked to fill in and return. The question asked was: “Which new destinations would you find useful to be served from FDH by InterSky?” For those of you who want to know: The destinations to choose from were TLS, ERF, GRZ, CDG, BCN, FCO, MXP, DUS, DRS, AMS, PRG, BUD and as summer destinations (with probably only weekly service) NCE, VCE and SPU.

The passengers in Business Class received a free meal and drink service, then the flight attendant walked through Economy Class and asked if somebody wanted to buy something, writing down the orders. Choice were sandwiches, butter pretzels, cake, sweet or salty snacks and all kinds of drinks (hot, cold, alcoholic, non-alcoholic). I had an orange cake and a coffee for all in all EUR 3,00. By the way: they used LH-sugar packages. About half of the passengers bought something. With only 30 passengers and a net flight time of 1:30, there was plenty of time for the cabin service, so the meal service was followed by the sale of what was called Travel Value products which consisted of jellybabies in aircraft shapes and aircraft models of the InterSky Dash 8.

When we came over Brandenburg, the air became clear and the flat landscape with many lakes was visible. The approach into THF was really impressive and lead directly over the Southern suburbs of Berlin. Touch-down was rather hard. We taxied to a position in front of the terminal where we arrived 10 minutes ahead of schedule. When the passengers left the aircraft, the captain stood at the exit and said goodbye to the passengers. I thanked the crew for this great flight and everybody walked the short distance to the terminal. There are no real arrival facilities at THF; you walk up some stairs and go through a door which leads directly into the departure hall. The only luggage belt for domestic flights is also in this hall (I suppose there is a second luggage belt in the customs area for international flights). Luggage arrived very quickly.


I spent some time with my friend and I also explored the city myself. I have been to Berlin quite often, but it is a place where I always like to return. After two days it was time to fly back.


Thursday, 16 September 2004
Berlin Tempelhof (THF) – Friedrichshafen (FDH)
Airline: InterSky
Flight number: 3L 363
Scheduled departure time: 16:30
Scheduled arrival time: 18:10
Type of aircraft: Dash 8-300 Q
Registration: D-BLEJ




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I arrived at Tempelhof Airport by Underground at around noon. The old terminal building with the huge departure hall is really impressive and reminded me of the old days when flying was still something special. A really historic place.


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The Berlin regional government wants to close THF at the end of October this year and move all traffic to TXL or SXF. There are some groups of airlines, companies and private people who want to keep the airport, but at the moment it looks like the end of THF is near. In my eyes a wrong decision as a city airport can be an important economical benefit for a city, and when the large new airport at SXF will be opened in some years and TXL is also planned to be closed down, THF might be a valuable alternative especially for business travel. LCY shows that a city airport can be run very successfully if you have the right concept.

But THF is already dying slowly: Many offices and counters in the large terminal are empty, the place is somehow deserted. There was a notice that all Denim Air flights had been moved to TXL from September 13 and all OLT flights will move to TXL from September 20, so I was lucky that InterSky didn’t move yet. Like most airlines at THF, InterSky is handled by Globe Ground Berlin. As there were quite a few flights leaving at about the same time, they opened one check-in counter for all flights, which were Cirrus Airlines (MHG, SCN), EAE (FMO), OLT (BRE), LGW (DTM) and of course InterSky (FDH). A very friendly lady checked me in and I received a Eurowings boarding pass.

I passed security control and proceeded to the gate area to get a view to the apron (you don’t see anything from the main departure hall). There are 4 gates for domestic flights and one international gate that was used for an LX-flight to BSL. A nice variety of regional aircraft (Dash 8, Do 328, Metroliner, Saab 2000) was visible, as well as a Germania F 100 which is used for daily flights to ATH and SKG. As I already mentioned, there were 4 or 5 flights leaving at about the same time, so the gate agent went from gate to gate and made one boarding announcement after the other. To avoid confusion, passengers were bussed to their aircraft, and always when the bus returned, they boarded the next flight. Load factors on this early afternoon flights were very light: 5 pax on an OLT Metro to BRE, 4 pax on an EAE Metro to FMO, and so on.


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A Zeppelin with some Japanese titles was also on the apron – a nice greeting from Friedrichshafen!

When D-BLEJ from InterSky arrived from FDH, the apron as well as the gate area had emptied. After the passengers from the incoming flight had left the aircraft, a tank truck arrived to tank up the plane. Obviously fuel is less expensive at THF than at FDH. When this was finished, boarding was announced, this time without a bus as the aircraft was perked close to the terminal. The gate agent walked ahead and the 28 passengers followed her. This time there were no passengers in Business Class. I had seat 4F and the seat next to me remained empty again.

It was a different flight crew than two days before, this time we had a Swiss captain and again an Austrian flight attendant. The announcement from the captain was again made before take-off. It was not as short as on the first flight, but also not really detailed (something like “after take-off we will be heading South” – what a surprise!  Laugh out loud )

After a quite long taxi to the runway we took off. It was a clear and sunny day, and I got an excellent view to the skyline of Berlin. Really great.

In-flight service was similar to the flight two days before. This time I had a butter pretzel and an orange juice for EUR 4,00. Quite a lot of people bought something. As I didn’t know any details of our flight route, I could only guess which cities we crossed. But finally I caught sight of a place that is very familiar to me: we were flying over Stuttgart Airport!  Wow! It was the first time for me to see my home airport from high flying altitude, but I recognized it immediately. From Stuttgart it was not too far any more to FDH. Approach was again over Lake Constance. This time there was a second announcement made by the captain (“Ladies and gentlemen, we will soon be landing” ). We touched down and taxied to a parking position in front of the terminal, next to a Eurowings ATR 72-500 which was the only visitor besides our aircraft. All passengers left the plane, walked to the terminal and entered the arrival area where luggage arrived quickly.


Conclusion: InterSky offers a good product and good value for money. They have introduced a low-fare concept on regional routes and beat the prices of traditional regional carriers by far. Naturally, the average ticket price on small regional aircraft has to be a bit higher than on airlines which use larger aircraft as the costs per seat are higher on a small plane. Service on both flights (and also on my two flights with InterSky in July this year MUC-Elba-FDH) was very friendly and attentive.

Thanks for reading my report – questions and comments are welcome.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Christoph



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User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

Hi Christoph,

Nice report from my absolute favourite airport!

Actually I worked from 1993 until 1999 in a part of the Sagebiel-buildings just opposite the airport entrance and had lunch at THF's canteen nearly every day... these were still the days when the apron was full with Sabena AR8/737, SAS F50, Eurowings ATR/146, Cimber ATR, and so on.... It is quite sad to see this airport fading away due to political pressure. The only real reason they want to get rid of THF is that they fear it would take business travellers away from the new mega hub BBI...which nobody needs anyway.

Cheers,
Tom



User currently offline777heavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 weeks ago) and read 2542 times:


Good report. Thx.
Its always interesting to read about flying into THF. Unfortunately I've never managed to fly from/to THF though living very close to the airport. Now its too late. Its a pity that THF is going to be closed soon whilst nobody knows when BBI (SXF) will enter into service. Maybe 2010. Back in the 90s when the decision to expand the existing airport and making SXF to Berlin-Brandenburgs main airport was made, the two governments of Berlin and Brandenburg came to an agreement to shut down THF first and after completing BBI TXL. Now the time for THF has come. I'll bet someday they will regret their decision. A big city like Berlin can always handle/need more than one airport. Closing an airport like THF with his long history and situated right in the heart of Berlin can't be a good decision. But its all about politics.

Daniel


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2504 times:

Hi Christoph!
You lucky S.O.B.!  Big grin At least you got the chance to fly to "the airport" - Tempelhof - before it is closed due to the short-sighted political decision of one of the worst Senates Berline has ever had.

Regarding InterSky, I flew with them CGN-FDH-CGN in spring of this year and have to agree with your conclusion, they are offering a very good product at a decent price. Hopefully, this little airline will continue to flourish and explore many more market niches!

Friedrichshafen Airprot isn't really anything to write home about. I have been travelling to FDH at least once a year, because some friends of mine used to live in the area until summer of this year. Although I enjoy spending time at airports, I would have never gone there more than one hour before departure of my flight, because frankly there isn't anything noteworthy going on.  Smile Well, you found out about this by yourself... Big grin



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User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2467 times:

Hello and thank you for your replies.

We all seem to have the same opinion about the closing of THF. Unfortunately, the politicians couldn't be convinced.  Sad

@ Tom / Patroni:
Wow, you had a really great working place! I can also remember a visit at THF some years ago when it was still a much more lively place than today. After 1990, many airlines (including LH) really increased their services at THF. Unfortunately, nothing much is left.

@ Jens / TriStar500:
I remember your report about CGN-FDH-CGN. InterSky really seems to be quite successful on this route. And now they have signed an agreement with Germanwings to work together with them (InterSky shall carry pax from FDH to Germanwings' hub CGN). But you still have to buy two different tickets, so it seems to be mainly a marketing thing. But maybe it helps InterSky to gain some more passengers on this route.

Christoph


User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

Hi Christoph,

great report, InterSky seems to offer a good domestic lowcost product.

A Zeppelin with some Japanese titles was also on the apron – a nice greeting from Friedrichshafen!
I saw a report on TV about this Zeppelin. This is the first Zeppelin that was sold, to Japan. It started its two-months(!) delivery flight to Japan last week. However it had to return back to Friedrichshafen by now, because the Russian authorities didn't allow them to enter Russian airspace, and winter is coming, so even if they get permission to enter Russian airspace in two weeks, they would have to cross Siberia in December, so they probably have to wait until next year...


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

Thanks for a nice report, Christoph. Seems like all of us try out 3L at some stage...

Alos congrats on making it into THF so close before shutdown. It´s really a shame, I can´t believe how dumb some politicians are. But hey, Athens showed us that a former airport makes a great kayak stadium - just in case Berlin ever gets another Olmpics  Laugh out loud

>>>I remember your report about CGN-FDH-CGN. InterSky really seems to be quite successful on this route. And now they have signed an agreement with Germanwings to work together with them (InterSky shall carry pax from FDH to Germanwings' hub CGN). But you still have to buy two different tickets, so it seems to be mainly a marketing thing. But maybe it helps InterSky to gain some more passengers on this route.

Interesting, I didn´t know this. Sounds similar to the cooperation of X3 and VA. I wonder why they all don´t start some real cooperations, not just these wiindow-dressing maketing gigs which don´t yield a real advantage for the passenger.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

Hi Alex and Daniel,

thanks for your replies!

@ Alex: Interesting info about the Zeppelin - I didn't know that they have sold one.

@ Daniel: Welcome back to Germany! I hope you enjoyed the last days in Honduras and you had a good trip home (I'm waiting for your trip report...) Big grin

You are right with your comments about the cooperation between low-cost airlines. But obviously the time for "real" cooperations with code-share-agreements has not yet come. The only thing about the current cooperations is to inform passengers that there is also an other way of getting - let's say from FDH to LIS - than with LH via FRA. And in some cases, two low-cost-tickets ( for example FDH-CGN and CGN-LIS) might be cheaper than one LH-ticket for the same route.

Christoph


User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

>>> I hope you enjoyed the last days in Honduras

Not really, I was robbed at gunpoint five days before leaving.

>>>and you had a good trip home

I had, but both suitcases (successfully checked through TGU-SAL-MIA-MAD-HAJ) are heavily damaged.

>>>(I'm waiting for your trip report...)

Yup. TA ok as always, IB (24 yo 742) crappy as always, YW superb service but CR2 cramped as hell - as always.

>>>obviously the time for "real" cooperations with code-share-agreements has not yet come.

The low cost airlines will have to study whether the additional revenue brought by code sharing can offset the higher cost. I´m sure if some airlines will venture into this so far terra incognita, it will be between majors´ subsidiaries, i.e. 4U, WW

>>>And in some cases, two low-cost-tickets ( for example FDH-CGN and CGN-LIS) might be cheaper than one LH-ticket for the same route.

Ok, let´s see.

FDH-LIS and back, flying down Friday, Oct 29, returning Sunday Oct 31:

LH via FRA, return JK (opb NI, opb LH) and LH via MAD and FRA: EUR 331.01

LH via FRA: EUR 500.73

3L/4U via CGN: EUR 262.35 for 3L, 262.02 for 4U, total EUR 524.37

So, five weeks in advace is too short term. In five months time, it starts getting interesting.

LH / JK opb LH / JK opb NI (this time both ways) 302.89, LH 507.33, 3L/4U 130.35 + 162.67 = 293.02

I wonder what 3L would say when you miss the 4U flight (or vice versa) because of a delay. Would they do the usual low cost argumentation ("we´re low cost and you´re fucked"), or would they be consequent enough because of the active marketing for this connexion on both websites?

Daniel Smile

[Edited 2004-09-24 19:46:17]

User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

I wonder what 3L would say when you miss the 4U flight (or vice versa) because of a delay. Would they do the usual low cost argumentation ("we´re low cost and you´re fucked"), or would they be consequent enough because of the active marketing for this connexion on both websites?


I personally think it would be the first of your two alternatives, so I guess you should always allow plenty of time between two low-cost flights.Let's take the 3L / 4U example: out of FDH, you would always have to take the first flight to CGN in the ealy morning anyway (the evening flight is too late to reach any 4U-connection at CGN, except maybe the overnight-flights). On that 3L-early morning flights, delays are unlikely because it is the first flight of the aircraft in the morning.

But the problem might appear on the return flight when 4U might arrive late at CGN. If you miss the 3L-connection to FDH - what can / will 3L do? They might book you on the next flight on the next day without any extra cost, but does that really help? In their conditions which you receive on any internet booking, they make clear that they won't pay anything for hotel costs or alternative travel ("Grundsätzlich gibt es keinen Anspruch auf Ersatzbeförderung, Hotelübernachtungen, Transportkosten und Verköstigungen"). So basically the risk is at the passenger's side.


User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

Very nice report. What a pity that THF is getting closed.


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User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

Great report! Big grin
After the decision that THF will stay open until 2006 (September 24th will be a remarkable date Big thumbs up) I'm looking for a flight out and into THF. InterSky sounds like an affordable option.

Fabian


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

Hi Christophe,

Thanks for the great report!

It's really amazing that a small airline, operating 2 DHC8's, offers both a business class and some kind of low-cost-class!

Germany is really a lovely country in terms of aviation, there is just so much choice...

Regards
Frederic


User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

I guess you should always allow plenty of time between two low-cost flights

That's exactly the point I don't like. As it became obvious in Daniel's calculation above, the difference, even for a booking 5 months ahead, is just 9 Euros.... For this amount I would not accept the risk being stranded in CGN because either 4U or 3L were late, or even the incnvenience of making a 3 hours-connection if 60 minutes would be enough.
So I still fail to see the "real" advantage of the "cooperation" between 4U and 3L. In my eyes this is just a marketing gag in the old o'Leary style... "just have the newspapers write something about us - it' s free advertising..", whether there is an added value or not.

Cheers,
Thomas




User currently offlineSn26567 From Belgium, joined Aug 2004, 131 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Very nice report, Contact Air.

About the court decision that the closure of THF is delayed, does it mean that airlines (like SN, LX, etc.) which decided to move to TXL will remain in THF? I am really interested to know!



ex-Sabena #26567
User currently offlineGodBless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2753 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

Thank you for this report, I really did enjoy it.

I hope that I will still get the chance to fly into THF now since it can not be closed as planned (thank God!) at the end of October.
Does anybody know what 3L will do? Will they stay at THF?

Max


User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2181 times:

Hi Christoph,

A superb report, very detailed! It is interesting to read about the situation at THF. I have always liked the look of the airport with the canopy for aircraft to park under, a really nice idea.

Cheers,

Oliver



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User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2181 times:

Thanks to all of you for your replies!

@ Thomas and Daniel:

I agree with you about the 3L / 4U cooperation. For this small price difference which Daniel has showed, I also would always take LH or any other "traditional" airline.

@ SN26567 and Max (which airlines will stay at THF? / Will InterSky stay ?)

Actually I don't really know, but I guess that different airlines will make different decissions.
I personally think that LX will move to TXL. Their ZRH-flights have already been at TXL for years, only the BLS-flights are at THF. This is still from the time when it was still Swissair (TXL) and Crossair (THF). I think it makes sence to concentrate all operations of the airline at one airport, and that will probably be TXL.

About InterSky the only thing that I can say is that they always called it "Berlin-Tempelhof" on their booking site, even for bookings after November 1st. And when I left the aircraft at FDH, an other passenger asked the captain about the situation. The captain said that the government / court hadn't yet decided if THF was to be closed. It sounded like InterSky is planning to fly into THF as long as possible. But just my interpretation; no guarantee!

About the other airlines (especially SN who is probably the most important airline that is still at THF) I really don't know. SN has already sent E-Mail-newsletters to all German customers which tell you that they would move to TXL, so I don't know if they will change an other time. For the small regional airlines (LGW, EAE, etc.) I guess they might stay at THF. But everything just my assumption. I guess we will have to wait and see...

Regards
Christoph


User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8552 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2175 times:
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Hi Christoph,

Nice report!

I've been to Berlin several times,but always to TXL - which I love! Smile

The planned closure of THF is a great shame,I truly think that THF and the planned 'new' airport can both work together as a benefit to the great city of Berlin,such a shame politicians are all stupid.

Hopefully the airport can be preserved as some kind of aviation museum.

Anyway,thanks again.

Rgds

Mark



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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2390 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 days ago) and read 2173 times:

InterSky was actually one of the airlines would did not give up their lawsuit against the airport authorities and they published a very "populistic" press release as well just after the (good) news from the court were released on their website.


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User currently offlineSn26567 From Belgium, joined Aug 2004, 131 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

Christoph,

Thanks for the news about the future of airlines at THF. Really a pity that SN will move to TXL. They were the oldest (under the Sabena name) and most important airline at THF, which gave them the privilege to park under the canopy.



ex-Sabena #26567
User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

@ Christoph:
I don't think that any of the airliens that already got slots in TXL will move back to THF. Just imagine, in 2 years or so THF may definitely close and then? No more attractive slots in TXL, so either crappy dep/arr times there or a move to SXF, which would be an end for most of the regional services.

@ Thomas:
I fully agree with you about the "populistic" nature of Intersky's press release. I commend them for giving the airport full support, but calling the Intersky CEO the "mother of Tempelhof airport"?? How cheesy can it be???

Cheers,
Tom


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