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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 52
Posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4426 times:


Just, what I hope will be, a quick report on my most recent trip to Montréal from 16 Feb to 22 Feb

Friday 16 February 2001
Airline:Air Canada
Flight N°:383
Aircraft:Canadair Regional Jet C-FRIB

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I arrived at Boston Terminal E at the prescribed two hours prior to departure, or about 11.00. As there was no queue for check-in, I was checked in by a very friendly, casual agent.

As there was no queue, I was now left with a lot of time. As I hadn't eaten anything that morning, I went and got a muffin and a drink and sat down and watched some of the mid-morning traffic around BOS. What I saw was an Air Nova DHC-8 and an Air Canada DC-9. And a potpourri of various planes queued up off in the distance for runways 22R and L. After breakfast, I passed through security. With plenty of time left, I sat down watched the CNN they had playing, and listened to my Discman®. They eventually called my flight at 12.30, about 10 minutes behind schedule.

I proceeded through Gate 8A, down the stairs, and out onto the apron. I boarded the plane, and quickly took my seat, 11F, a window at the rear end of the wing, over the flaps. Boarding was quick, and the doors were closed, and push-back commenced a few minutes behind schedule. After engine start-up we taxied quickly out, and joined the queue at the end of runways 22R and L. We queued up behind a United 727-200 and a US Airways Shuttle A319. We lined up, and take-off was quick. We climbed out, and soon we were in the haze and upper cloud layers.

Soon after, the two FA's came around, served sandwiches, a small sandwich au jambon (ham) and a salmon pâté, with a side of pasta. Comparing this to a United flight on a 737, on a slightly longer flight, they only came around with pretzels and drinks. Both flights were around the same time of day. Soon, we began our descent from our cruising altitude of FL180 (18 000ft). We broke through the clouds at the northern end of the île de Montréal, and made a sharp left hand turn to intercept the 24L localizer at Montréal-Dorval (CYUL). We descended down the glide slope with the city centre off to our left. It was a nice approach. Soon we landed on 24L. Once we were on the ground I was able to see a Kendell CRJ taxiing. Also, I saw an Air Canada 747-400 and A330-300. A couple of Royal, and a few Canadian in transitional colours. We parked at gate 23. That was the end of my outbound trip.

22 February 2001
Airline:Air Canada
Flight N°:386
Aircraft:Canadair Regional Jet C-FRIL
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Once again, I arrived at the airport just under two hours ahead of schedule. By the way, and travellers to/from Montréal should consider the coach bus offered by Aéroports de Montréal. It takes you to/from the terminal to Place Bonaventure at Rue de la Gauchtière. which is right in the city centre. Anyways, with no queue, I checked in again. After walking around they nice, relatively spacious terminal, I proceeded through to U.S Customs and Immigration. After passing through that, I passed through the security checkpoint, then had to pay a CDN$10 airport improvement fee (I had to break a $50  Sad). After all that, I was able to proceed down to the gate. Back again at gate 23, where my travels began, I sat and waited for my flight to be called. While I waited, I was able to see an Olympic A340, an Air Canada 747-400, and an Austrian A330 (who, according to a friend, was operating on behalf of Royal Air Maroc). On time, we boarded. I took my seat, once again it was 11F. As the flight was not full, it took it no time to get underway. We left the gate a little early. After push back, we taxied straight out to runway 24R.

With no hesitation power was applied, and we rocketed down the runway. We got up very quickly. We continued straight out, but soon began a turn to the south, and flew south of the city centre. After leaving Montréal, it clouded up, and I sat back and read "La Presse", a French language newspaper (apparantly, the largest in North America). The flight attendant came around offering drinks and pretzels. Standard snack, but nice on a 51 minute flight.

Long before I wanted we began our descent into Boston. We tracked north of the city, out over the ocean. We then came pack in from the north-east, paralleling the coastline. As we approaced the city, we then made a turn to south, and flew past the airport. We eventually descended and then made a 180° turn to intercept the runway 4R localizer. We made a bumpy approach, and were soon on the ground. Directly behind us was an Aer Lingus A330-300. At terminal E were Lufthansa and British Airways 747-200s, as well as a Northwest DC-10, and an Air Canada A319. As, I had already gone through pass control, and customs, I went to baggage claim, and went home.

Well, if you're still reading, I admire your perseverance, and thank you  Smile


« On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux » Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
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User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1577 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4295 times:


Excellent trip report! I'm glad that you had a nice pair of flights.  Smile

Sounds like they treated you well on the outbound flight to YUL...I fly AC's CRJ service on the DCA-YYZ route regularly, and if you pick one of the two early morning flights, you get a full cold breakfast--a Dannon yougurt cup (usually strawberry or strawberry-kiwi), a fruit plate (two slices honeydew, four orange slices, and a strawberry half), orange juice, and a pre-wrapped banana bread. Plus coffee and tea, of course. Curiously, though, they have no meal service after that on any of the other flights--even though the DCA-YYZ flight it longer than the BOS-YUL flight. Bizarre. Their pretzels are pretty good, though.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I also see that you got 11F, my preferred seat on the CRJ. Gives you a nice view of the flaps coming down on approach, and it's right by the main landing gear. Those CRJ seats are hard as a rock, though...I observed that those damn things are about 90% plywood and about 10% padding when one of the covers came loose once.

Not sure if I've flown either aircraft before, but I think I might have been on C-FRIB at some point. I'll have to check my notes.

Thanks for the report!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4286 times:

Hey, thanks for the reply N202PA. I do have to agree with you that the seats were a bit hard, but when the flights were only 1hr10min on the outbound, and 51min on the inbound, you don't really notice that much. Although I am surprised that they fly CRJs on DCA-YYZ! Even here in Boston, they only fly A319s and DC-9s on the Toronto route. CRJs serve YUL, and Dash 8s serve Ottawa (YOW) and Halifax (YHZ).


« On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux » Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
User currently offlineN202PA From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1577 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4271 times:


I'm rather glad that AC only flies short 1-1 1/2 hour segments on the CRJ's because of the really hard seats; I know that Comair flies much longer, 2-2 1/2 hour segments on them--*that's* nothing short of sheer torture. On my last AC flight, we were delayed because of the freak snowstorm in Toronto a few weeks ago, and were essentially on the aircraft for about two and a half hours. Needless to say, that wasn't fun.

I'd also be surprised that AC doesn't fly larger aircraft on the DCA-YYZ run, except for the fact that they're obviously targeting the business market out of National. Instead of fewer flights (say 1-2) with the A319, they fly 5-7 flights with the 50-seat CRJ, depending on the day. And, quite frankly, the percentagewise loads aren't that great on the early morning runs--on the 7:25, which is what I take, I never see more than 15-20 people on at one time. But the fact that the CRJ is such an economical aircraft and that most of these passengers are businessmen flying at business fares ($400-$600), probably allows them to make a profit on the route.

In contrast, AC used to fly to Dulles from YYZ using the DC-9 (sometimes the A319) twice a day, with the midday one being a CRJ. Now, they seem to be switching to a scheme similar to National's, flying 3 CRJ's a day, then one DC-9 in the evening. They might even go to more CRJ's later on, dependig on how many they have hanging around YYZ.

We also get a few flights a day to Montreal and Ottawa from both IAD and DCA, plus one flight to Halifax from Dulles, all using CRJ's. Air Ontario also erves BWI from YYZ, using Dash-8-100s and -300s. I flew with them once before when the DCA flights were sold out, and it was pretty nice.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (15 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4250 times:

Likewise, the CRJs serve the Boston-Montreal market well. Air Canada flies six daily YUL-BOS flights, all on CRJs. This provides capacity for 300 passengers. Obviously, if every flight went out full, then with those loads Air Canada could simply fly one A330, or two 767s into Boston, but as well as not being economical, Air Canada realizes that this route, especially during the winter, is largely business travellers. This was also my main reason for choosing Air Canada. When it came time to book my ticket, American Eagle was actually cheaper, but only flies 3 flights a day. I wanted the flexiblitity of arriving and departing when I wanted to. That, and the fact that it was a choice between a CRJ or a SAAB  Smile


« On ne voit bien qu'avec le cœur. L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux » Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
User currently offlineGeebs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (15 years 3 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

Great Job Erik-

I have only been on ERJ's

American Eagle (MKE-ORD)
Continental Exp (MKE-CLE) And (CLE-MKE)

glad you had fun

Kevin G.


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