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User currently offlineUnited4EverDEN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6941 times:

Hi everyone!

In October, I experienced something I will never forget for the rest of my life. I am going to tell you about it.

We took flights on America West, yadda yadda... That is a different trip report.

I ended up waking up on the morning of the 17th of October. It had rained the night before and it was cold and damp out. I stopped at Jack in the Box for a quick bite to eat. Afterwards, we made our way to the Long Beach airport and to the Alteon Training center. I went upto the first building and rang the bell. A voice answered and I asked for Mike Comuniello. They said next building over. Before we even got to the doors, Mike was there to greet us.

We went in and got some information ready. After all that, I was taken around the building for a tour. There was some fun stuff there. Once the instructor had finished putting up the sim for us, we went into a briefing room where we talked for a few minutes. Finally we got to the simulator. I went in and sat in the left seat of the MD-11. After adjusting the seat to my heitgh, etc. we were ready to go. The setting was LAX in the early hours of the morning. The plane was holding short of the runway. I moved the throttles forward and we slowly taxiied on the runway. Not being used to the sensitivity of the tiller, I jerked the plane on the runway. I moved the throttles forward and we blasted off practically. The feeling of acceleration was amazing! At V1 I rotated and we started climbing. After getting a good feel, we started to come in for a landing. Throughout the flight, I kept my eyes on a box and had to keep it on two perpendicular lines. That proved fairly difficult. We then did a couple of stall outs and recovered from them almost perfectly. The thing that struck me odd was, that to recover from a stall, you point the nose up with full throttles going, rather than down. After mastering my first landing, we moved on to the 717 simulator.

The 717 was a bit different from the MD-11 simulator. I took my place in the left seat. The setting was HNL. The instructor had us pushed back. Once starting the engines, I moved the throttles forward and we inched forward. I had a better feel of the tiller and moved the aircraft down the center line almost perfectly. I think we went to runway 13L, we held short. Once getting ATC approval, we went onto the runway. The 717 was like a rocket! I was pushed back in my seat with great force. After rotating, I followed the box on the lines again, only taking in the scenery with a glance here and there. I think we did 4-5 touch and go's at HNL. On my last one, I missed the turn and went around. For our last landing, we did a full blown ILS landing in 0 visibility conditions. That was pretty scary, because at this point, you kinda lose the thought of whether it is fake or real, because it is so real. After making a landing, we taxied back to the terminal and parked. I was disappointed it was over.

I did however, leave with bag of goodies put together by Mike himself.

This whole experience cost $300 USD. That was for about 3 hours sim time, all the goodies, the tour of the facility and a helluva good time. This is something I would definitly be back for when I am in the LAX/LGB area. Thanks to Mike and the Alteon crew! Pictures are soon to come!


I will be back in LAX for some kind of family get together thing in Feb. Would anyone be interested to do this with me then?

~Ryan

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User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5498 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6707 times:

I was out in LAX earlier this summer and was hoping to make it out there, but I didn't have enough time  Sad

Maybe next time!

Justin


User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6039 times:

Where are the pics?!?!?! We need pictures!

User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6013 times:

ryan, great report.

I did a similar thing:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/51993/

MidnightMike arranged for me to go down to Long Beach and I was amazed by the simulators and decided to come up.

Got a simride in the MD-11. Amazing experience!

I really want to try out the 717 next. Since you have been on both, how would you compare the graphics between the two?

Even though I loved it, the MD-11 simulator's graphics (during the day) were not much better than Microsoft Flight Simulator 4.0...

At night it didn't really make a difference though.

I did go inside the 717 just to have a look. The aircraft was set up for the night mode and it looked amazingly sharp. Wonder what it was like during the day. Can you shed some light on this one?

Anyway, definitely one of the best experiences of my life.

I was about to faint when i advanced the throttles and the plane started to accelerate.

thanks for sharing...great report.



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User currently offlineUnited4EverDEN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5824 times:

Here they are!
717 sim


That is me:


More 717:


Overlooking the waters of HNL:


MD-11:


MD-11 from the outside, there is Mike right behind me.


I got more coming here in a while.


User currently offlineUnited4EverDEN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5822 times:

I forgot, yes the graphics are much better at night, although I would say better than flight sim 9 anytime.

User currently offlineUalisthebst From United States of America, joined May 2001, 79 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5593 times:

I've been reading this thread and decided to update with my comments.

I took part in this program on Saturday 12/4/04. It was a fantastic experience and one I will remember for a long time.

We arrived at the facility early and Mike was nice enough to show us around the place until the group ahead of us finished. We toured the simulators (both cabin and cockpit) until we were led into the MD-11. Our instructor explained all the controls and familiarized us with how to fly the aircraft.

We started in SFO in the hold position onto 28R. I taxied the aircraft onto the runway, advanced the throttles and took off into the SFO night sky. I've dreamed of flying a passenger jet ever since I was a kid and it was like a dream coming true. We did some turns, then lined back up the 28R for an approach and landing. After the 3rd try I finally nailed the landing and was allowed to taxi into the gate from the runway.

All in all it was an amazing experience and one that I would recommend. Alteon is a first class company and so are the people that work there. If anyone has questions or comments I'd be happy to assist. I will be returning to Alteon within a year and will be dragging my friends along.

If you have the opportunity to do this, take part in this program!! You won't be disappointed, I guarantee it.
-Ualisthebst


User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5523 times:

Hey Gents

Thanks for all of the great comments, I really appreciate it. The simulator rides
cost $100 for 30 minutes in the seat, Alteon Training in Long Beach California offers rides in the MD11, 717, 737NG, MD88, & MD82 simulators.

http://www.webradium.com/aviationtrainingentertainment87901/index.htm

If you have any questions, send me an email
mpenguin1@yahoo.com



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User currently offline5T6 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5460 times:

Ryan......

Thanks for a great report! Next time I get out to LA, I'll have to give that a try. Looks like a lot of fun & that Mike and his gang took good care of you. Price is very reasonable, too.

Regards,

Mike



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User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5298 times:

Thanks for these interesting reports. Here in the UK Virtual Aviation do a similar thing with the A320/73G/757 at LHR/LGW/LTN, but at prices many times what you paid.

Oliver



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User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4895 times:

AirxLiban

The simulator scenes are much sharper during the night time scenes, than the day time scenes as they take less memory.



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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4778 times:

midnightmike or others

how does the daytime 717 view compare to the daytime MD-11 view?



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User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4592 times:

AirxLiban

Not a very fair question, about the best that I can tell you is that the 717 full flight visual has a much sharper night time visual scene than does the MD11 simulator



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User currently offlineElal106 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 975 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4161 times:

Flew on that md-11 sim last january!

User currently offlineINNflight From Switzerland, joined Apr 2004, 3766 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4029 times:

>> Even though I loved it, the MD-11 simulator's graphics (during the day) were not much better than Microsoft Flight Simulator 4.0...

This is because pilots don't need graphics like houses on the ground, detailed rivers and towns etc. for training. They need to feel the aircraft as close to reality as possible, and having the aircraft action as real as possible.

Also, weather and sounds are simulated better than you will ever get it in a PC flight sim...
Unnecessary things like good landscape graphics are left away, important things like sounds, vibrations are there like on the real aircraft.

It's a training simulator, not a sim for flying around and looking at the countryside.

Florian



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