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The Ultimate Twin: AF To JFK On B777-300ER (pics)  
User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 14179 times:

In mid-March I noticed Air France had some specials to the US, ranging between 380 and 420 Euro. It seemed to be a real good opportunity to fly the new B777-300ER plus A318. However, flights were not easy to find for several reasons. First of all, many of the offered connections on the website did not look convincing due to unrealistic transfer times (50 minutes for CDG is a JOKE - I once ended up at the Roissy Ibis hotel for that reason). Then it was hard to get a combination of the types I wanted. At the end, after choosing two options it's another story to find a day with low fares.
But finally I found what I was looking for and I booked e-tickets for me and my girlfriend. Here comes the first part of my trip, MUC-CDG-JFK:



09. April 2005
München (MUC) - Paris (CDG)
Air France AF1723
13.00-14.45 (13.25-15.00)

Airbus A319-111
F-GRHZ (c/n 1622), delivered 11/2001
Tempo, seat 18E




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Ground
Check-in at MUC was quite fast, after waiting some 15 minutes we were welcomed by a friendly French woman. As I had expected, the online seat choice (row 47 for the 77W) did not work and she tried to give us seats in row 27. No way to accept that on such a long plane and I requested another row in the rear section. Window and middle seat were only still available in row 45 so we took it. Within two minutes we had our boarding passes and we passed through security.
As we arrived at the gate later, F-GRHZ turned in and I was glad there was no delay or anything worse: earlier I had seen the KLM flight to AMS at 13.30 had been cancelled.
Spotting was not very really exciting, but one goody was Southern Air B747-200F N751SA.


Flight
Boarding was started on time and very friendly F/As as well as the captain welcomed us at the aircraft door. The cabin was absolutely clean and we took our seats in row 18. Boarding was completed soon but the captain announced a delay of some 20 minutes due to ATC limits. Finally we were pushed back and only minutes later GRHZ lifted off and headed towards CDG.

Board service started after a while and drinks and a snack were served. The latter was a ham sandwich with mustard and eggs, tasted quite good:



Drinks were only served once with no second round for coffee or tea. The remaining flight was uneventful and soon approach to CDG was started. Though it was not the busiest time of the day we turned for while around the area before final descent. After touchdown reverse thrust was heavily used and the aircraft stopped quickly, possibly in order to take an early taxiway off the runway.
Indeed, most terminal position at halls 2A and 2C were empty, only few longhaul aircraft being visible. On the other side it was different, most positions at 2D were occupied, so we got a remote position and deboarded via the famous ADP busses which move up and down.



Spotting at CDG
Hall 2D is under massive reconstruction so after reaching the terminal I couldn't really see many aircraft. So we walked quickly to 2C and went through security again. For the only time on my entire trip I had to get out of my shoes.
Hall 2C was really empty, not many people waiting for their flights. Just like in the past I took a seat close to the Western end and watched incoming and outgoing traffic. Most arrivals and all departures on that side could be followed. Some highlights that afternoon were Aero Services A319 (AF colors), Air Plus A313, Blue Line B734 (op by Islandsflug), Eagle A313, Emirates B773, JAL B772ER, Star A332, TAM A332 and several Axis Airways aircraft.
No problems at all with police or anyone else, as usual, nobody cares about peaceful spotters in France! Merci beaucoup!



09. April 2005
Paris (CDG) - New York (JFK)
Air France AF008
18.55-20.50 (19.25-21.10)

Boeing 777-328ER
F-GSQD (c/n 490), delivered 09/2004
Tempo, seat 45A




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Ground
At around 16.00 all the waiting was over and a B777-300ER was towed to our gate. It was F-GSQD, seen earlier at another gate at the Western end of hall 2A. The baby is really long and after only half a year in service it looked still clean and spotless. Their GE90-115B engines are just huge, especially in comparison to the catering trucks:



After catering was completed, three long trucks with masses of containers and large freight pallets arrived at the gate, and one after another, all the stuff was loaded into the aircraft's large belly.
Unbelievable how much the stretched bird can take, surely brings its owner many € € €s!


Flight
Boarding started shortly after 18.00 and the vast number of people standing in row and waiting at the gate indicated the flight would be full. Immigration forms were given out to everyone, but no customs declaration forms - I cannot follow that logic. We had to wait some time but finally we could enter the jetway. However, before reaching the aircraft door we were both taken out again for another security check. Strange that they picked me even that time though I was traveling with my girlfriend. And I can tell there were candidates which looked much more suspicious...
They searched our bags and made a body check again. The location in the jetway is really the wrong place for a security checkpoint because the space is limited and all the other people can hardly pass.


After five minutes it was over and we arrived at GSQD's door. Again friendly smiling F/As welcomed us on board and we passed through two rows of L'Espace Premiere. It looked nice with beige leather and wood paneling but I guess it cannot match EK's First Class. There were ten rows of L'Espace Affaires and the section even made up all the way to the wing. Then we reached Tempo and the first section included 14 rows. After that "walk" another ten rows had to be passed to our seats. It was a loooong way to go!
The seat cover shows a new design (compared to my last AF B772 flight), with a darker blue and little dots:


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Tables also feature another design and a different opening mechanism than usual. Seat comfort is limited - it appears good at the beginning but after some hours the cushion feels hard. Not an improvement over the 772.
Interestingly, the IFE box is located under the middle seat - and it's attached upwards to the left side of the seat frame which leaves some space for the legs. Seat pitch is standard, no improvement.

Of course the IFE system features PTVs but Audio-Video-On-Demand was not available - yet. Most likely F-GSQD IS already equipped with the system, but the software probably has yet to be loaded or updated. The basic menu features of Air France's new AVOD (called "Programme Blue") could be seen on the screen, but when I clicked on them it always said "This feature will be available soon". Here's a pic of the menu options:



Once running the new system will offer masses of entertainment options, including a quiz (aviation history, Air France related questions, geography and aeronautics), outboard camera, games, boutique, many movies and music tracks.
It's said in the inflight magazine that A340 and B777 will be upgraded to AVOD, with 70% of the fleet already equipped - sounds a bit too optimistic. No word about A330 so I guess they have "Programme Blue" already installed. I'm still wondering why F-GSQD's system is not yet fully available, actually even the -200ER on the way home offered more options. Btw, the old non-AVOD system is called "Programme Vert" (=green), while regular non-PTV IFE is called "Programme Rouge".

The flight was full (including Business) and after all passengers were seated GSQD was pushed back. As usual on GE-powered B777s, engine start-up was accompanied by a loud, roaring sound and the cabin was shook by vibrations. But that's definitely more entertaining than on certain hairdryer-engines-powered aircraft...
Within a few minutes we headed for the runway and passed Hall 2E where the collapsed section has been surrounded by a huge wall of concrete.

There wasn't much traffic at this time and we didn't have to line up. GSQD turned in and its GE90s showed their power. Again quite loudly, the engines accelerated the aircraft quickly and with its long wings majestically bending upwards the 77W took off into the evening sky. Hardly being airborne I noticed a shaking left-to-right movement of the tail section. Just turbulence or common appearance on long stretched aircraft (e.g. B753)? Don't know, I didn't notice it again after climbout. After 240 km inflight we reached 32.000 feet which would remain constant for a while. The raked wingtips can be identified even from the rear section:



Service with drinks and pretzels started very soon, with meal service following directly afterwards. There was a choice of beef and saithe, I went for the former. The sauté of beef was very tasty and came along with olives and tomatoes, mashed potatoes and zucchini. The menu also consisted of a fresh crisp vegetable salad with a spicy "Middle-Eastern style" chicken brochette, camembert, apricot fruit yogurt and a tasty plum tart:



After the meal I was really filled up but I missed having a cup of tea, only coffee was offered. F/As apparently tried to pick up the trays quickly, but I took my time.
Some 70 minutes prior to landing a snack was served which was not the greatest culinary delight. The slice of cheese sandwich was very dry and I didn't like the caraway topping. However the cream cheese and two cookies were a good compensation:



Most of the time I listened to music and watched the flight path. There were some minor turbulence after entering Canadian airspace, but most of the flight remained uneventful. The New York area was soon reached and approach to JFK started. It was nice to pass all the endless lights over Long Island, especially on final descent. Unfortunately cabin lights were not switched off.
Landing was rough and followed by extensive use of thrust reverse, the GE90s roared loudly and stopped the 77W fast. No aircraft were visible on my side and until we arrived at the gate at Terminal 1 I only caught one registration - but more should follow later.
Deboarding took a while but we were the only flight arriving at this time and so didn't have to wait very long at immigration. Later we went on the AirTrain to station C and took our shuttle to the Radisson JFK.



Conclusion
Air France certainly improved their service. Ground staff and crews were professional and friendly, food was mostly tasty, cabins were clean and comfortable. IFE not fully available on the latest aircraft is a weakness but that should be solved soon. Flying the B77W is great fun and really impressive, especially on take-off.
More to follow in my return trip report (B772, A318). Watch out for it in the coming days!



Regards
Udo

[Edited 2005-04-15 10:42:24]

36 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13842 times:

Sweet!!

Think I may have to try AF one day.

Thanks for the report,

Lee



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlineIntothinair From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 392 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13814 times:

Great trip report Udo
Some very nice pictures.
By the way, how is it looking at an engine of a fan diameter reaching over 3 meters?

Cheers, Konstantin G


User currently offlinePelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13792 times:

Nice trip report! Nice aircraft!

Is it very loud during cruise behind the engines?

pelican


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13543 times:

Nice report, Udo! AF really offers a very consistent product. I took them on certain longhauls and find their cabin comfort and bad english ( Big grin ) quite nice. Their longhaul-fleet is great

Quoting Udo (Thread starter):
On the other side it was different, most positions at 2D were occupied, so we got a remote position and deboarded via the famous ADP busses which move up and down.

Oh, these busses! WHen I tavelled TXL-CDG-NSI in 2003, I had a 2 hr. time to transfer.. I was not allowed to walk (no idea why) from 2F to 2C and had to take the bus, going 2F-2A-2B-2D-2E or sth.. I have spent so much time in these buses amd in that particular case almost missed my connex onwards! This airport looks spacy but is a pain to transfer..

Good report.. CHeers, MrNiji


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13488 times:

Thanks for all your comments!


Lee,
AF is really worth a try. Their big fleet mix offers good opportunities for riding on many different types. Fares are also very competitive.


Konstantin,
Looking closely at the GE90 (and especially passing it) is always a pleasure, but you only wish that thing won't start running in that very moment...  Wink


Fabian,
Cabin noise during cruise is not different from any other B777s I've had before. Sure, it's definitely louder than on the A340, but I don't mind, the sound's just sweet.


Subin,
I was surprised this time about the good English most of the AF staff spoke. Ok, certainly you sometimes hear a cabin announcement and don't understand a word...  Wink

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 4):
This airport looks spacy but is a pain to transfer..

Absolutely true. One hour is not enough to make a connection in many cases. I would never again choose a transfer time of less than 90 minutes. But well, there might be emergency exceptions for catching special aircraft...  sly 


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 13393 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 5):
I would never again choose a transfer time of less than 90 minutes.

I would, if they pay me a 5 star hotel in Paris for missing the connex Big grin


User currently offlineLGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 13390 times:

Great report Udo. I was lucky enough to fly an AF 777-200 from JFK-CDG on my trip to LYS in 2002. Everything was great, including the food and the flight attendants. The only problem was that I didn't like the seat pitch. I can't wait untill the A380 flies JFK-CDG. That will give me another excuse to go visit my friend in LYS! Anyone know when the service is scheduled to start?

User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 13325 times:

Hi Udo,

Thanks a lot for the fantastic report (as usual)!

Out of curiosity: why don't you like to be seated in the first part of Y-class?

Regards
Frederic

PS: looking forward to your return-experience!

[Edited 2005-04-15 18:59:09]

User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 13322 times:

Nice report, Udo, seems like the 773 is worth transfering at Roissy  Wink
Btw, interesting that AF passengers end up in a luxurious Ibis hotel when glorious CDG makes them miss their conncetions...  sarcastic 

Hoping that you made the A318 on your way back, I´m looking forward to reading about the second part of your trip.

Daniel


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6503 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13292 times:

Very nice report Udo! Glad you got one new type for you going and one new on the way back! Nice to see the pictures!

Looking forward to the return report!

The777Man



Need a Boeing 777 Firing Order....Further to fly....CI, MU, LX and LH 777s
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4507 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13282 times:

Udo, excellent report! I have been trying to figure out an itinerary to CDG and I wanted to hop on the 773ER and was looking for a report. At that time, yours was not on there but I am very glad to have read it now.

Also looking forward to the way back. What different 777s have u been on?



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 13245 times:

Salut et merci beaucoup pour votres commentaires!  Wink


Subin,
With all their improvements they might also offer better hotels now. The Ibis and the free “dinner” in 1999 were not very amusing to say it diplomatically...  Wink


Brian,
Seat pitch is indeed a problem, but on the way back I had luck to secure the last row on the B772. Pitch is slightly better there and you have more space on both sides. I wouldn't recommend emergency exit rows on AF's B772 - no window available there!
I guess the A380 will start flying to JFK in 2007 for a limited period of time, AF have always used their flagships on that route in the beginning.


Frederic,
I have always preferred to sit in the rear section - it feels better on take-off, and better views are guaranteed far behind the wing. I know most people prefer to sit in front, but I don't like it.  Smile


Daniel,
The Ibis is certainly not the best address. Interestingly, last time they sent me there an AF lady told me "it's a very expensive hotel..."  boggled 
I indeed got the A318 on the return, but I hadn't been really optimistic for a while after arrival from JFK.


Lars,
I really was lucky this time, cannot complain. I'll work on the return trip, it should be online in a few days.


Michael,
Where are you planning to fly to on the 77W? Until my recent trip I had B777s on AA, AF (B772ER), BA (B772 non-ER) and UA (772 non-ER).



Regards
Udo


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 13161 times:

Hey Udo,

Thanks for this great report and also for the additional information you sent some of us by eMail!

Your report is very enjoyable and mirrors a typical Air France Economy Class flight. In my opinion does AF offer a very good Eco product, I would call it the best among all European airlines because of the great inflight entertainment system, the tasty and rather big meals and of course also because of the friendly and attentive service.

Another advantage for us enthusiasts is that AF is operating a fleet with many different aircraft types, among them also rather rare planes like the A 318-100 or the B 777-300, I am glad that you got both planes on your trip!

The 777-300 is indeed a very long plane but fortunately didn't I have to experience the long walk to the rear part because I was holding a Business Class ticket when I flew on this aircraft type from Bangkok to Hong Kong on Cathay Pacific.  bigthumbsup 

Another thing I want to mention, many of you guys wrote that Paris CDG is a pain to transfer, I can't second this opinion because I never had any problems while transfering there. I even made a 2F to 2D gate to gate connection within approximately 15 minutes (incl. security check). Another thing I like about CDG is that you can smoke everywhere and nobody cares, once I was standing in Terminal 2E and smoked a cigarette directly under a "no smoking" sign, a few minutes later appeared a police officer and I thought that he would tell me now that smoking is not allowed but I was wrong, he asked me for fire because he also wanted to smoke.  bigthumbsup 

I am looking forward to read part #2.

Patrick


User currently onlineFLIEGER67 From Spain, joined Sep 2003, 5138 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 13102 times:

Hi Udo,
good to read report, well done.
Your story reminds me to my last AF trip in late March also with deboarding by the famous escalator busses.
And about the cookies on your second plate: Another reminder to my trip, the same cookies there.
I share your opinion about seat selection, better views and always a good place to chat with the FAs.
Waiting for the second part.
Regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



Next: Shopping and sun med style!.
User currently offlineLucky727 From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 602 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 13056 times:

Hey Udo -
Nice report! I guess not much happened between lunch and the snack? ...which leads me to a question :

Quoting Udo (Thread starter):
There was a choice of beef and saithe

What's 'saithe'?



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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13000 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 13):
The 777-300 is indeed a very long plane but fortunately didn't I have to experience the long walk to the rear part because I was holding a Business Class ticket when I flew on this aircraft type from Bangkok to Hong Kong on Cathay Pacific

Patrick,
Under these circumstances you certainly didn't really mind about NOT having to go to the rear end, did you?  Wink

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 13):
I even made a 2F to 2D gate to gate connection within approximately 15 minutes (incl. security check).

Of course, very fast connections are possible. It took me just 10-15 minutes to walk from 2D to 2C (including security check). But when the aircraft are parked at remote stands (including deboarding via stairs) and you need to take a bus it can take quite long to even reach the arrival gate. On the return trip I had just one hour and I guess I could only make it due to an individual transfer by car.


Markus,
The last row is perfect for chatting with F/As, especially when other seats around remain empty.

Quoting Lucky727 (Reply 15):
I guess not much happened between lunch and the snack?

Kevin,
I mostly played around with IFE between lunch and snack, I just took the IFE report forward to combine it with the cabin description.

Quoting Lucky727 (Reply 15):
What's 'saithe'?

It's a fish. Don't ask me what kind, hadn't heard that word before the flight either. That's why I quickly decided to try the beef.  Wink



Regards
Udo


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12979 times:

Quoting Udo (Reply 16):
Under these circumstances you certainly didn't really mind about NOT having to go to the rear end, did you?

Actually I wanted to walk to the end to get an idea how long the plane is but I didn't have time because I was busy with eating, checking out the entertainment system/seat and chatting with my girlfriend. Not only myself but also the time was flying on the way to HKG Big grin.

Quoting Udo (Reply 16):
But when the aircraft are parked at remote stands (including deboarding via stairs) and you need to take a bus it can take quite long to even reach the arrival gate.

That is correct, fortunately I never had to take the bus at CDG when I had a hot connection.

Quoting Udo (Reply 16):
On the return trip I had just one hour and I guess I could only make it due to an individual transfer by car.

They brought you to the plane by car? Wow, that is what I call great service! I remember a similar situation a few years ago, some guy picked all SFO bound passengers up at the gate of the arriving DUS flight, he guided us to our connecting gate to make sure that everyone arrives there on time. And once in JFK I got picked up at the gate after I arrived from LAX, some guy drove me with a "golf-car" to my connecting gate to BRU, very funny experience.

Quoting Udo (Reply 16):
It's a fish. Don't ask me what kind, hadn't heard that word before the flight either.

It is salmon or better pollock (Seelachs in German). I had it on an AF flight to BKK and it was great but usually I also take the beef.

Patrick


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12950 times:

Great trip report Udo. Too bad you couldn't make it out here to LA.

Cant wait to read the report on your way back to Munchen.

Drew



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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12610 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 17):
They brought you to the plane by car? Wow, that is what I call great service!

Not to the plane directly, but they drove us all around the airport to Hall 2D, accompanied us through pass control and security and brought us directly to our gate. Indeed great service!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting KL808 (Reply 18):
Too bad you couldn't make it out here to LA.

Hey Drew,
I hope to come back to LA soon. I have no idea when, but I cannot survive long without LAX!  Wink



Regards
Udo


User currently offlineGlidepath73 From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 1020 posts, RR: 45
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 12185 times:

Hi Udo,

thanks a lot for your nice trip report. Your picture from the docked 773er shows how big the GE90 engines are. Even your infos about the trip shows how competitive AF is with their economy class.

Regards,
Patrick



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8508 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12107 times:
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Udo,

Nice report and photo's, many thanks.

Interesting to note both flights suffered delays......is this a common AF thing? - I've not flown them since '92 so am not up to date on their timekeeping.

I've not flown the 77W, nor a regular GE powered 772, only the RR & P&W machines. I must say, they are really noisy compared to the A330 & A340, given the choice i'd take them over the 777 anytime, though I will have to get a 77W & 773 sometime as the types are missing from my flight log's Sad

The main meal looked pretty good, one of the better 'Y' meals i've seen for a while.

Well, looking forward to the return trip.

Regards

Mark



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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11855 times:

Quoting Glidepath73 (Reply 20):
thanks a lot for your nice trip report. Your picture from the docked 773er shows how big the GE90 engines are. Even your infos about the trip shows how competitive AF is with their economy class.

Patrick,
The GE90 is really one impressive piece of engineering. And yes, AF's product is totally satisfying, easily beating main competitors BA and LH.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 21):
Interesting to note both flights suffered delays......is this a common AF thing? - I've not flown them since '92 so am not up to date on their timekeeping.

Mark,
The first flight was delayed due to ATC, not an AF fault. And the longhaul service delay was no big deal. One has to wait at immigration anyways.
I don't think delays are common at AF, they really try to get our flights early.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 21):
I've not flown the 77W, nor a regular GE powered 772, only the RR & P&W machines. I must say, they are really noisy compared to the A330 & A340, given the choice i'd take them over the 777 anytime

Though there is a difference, I have never had a problem with it. I enjoy the T7's power, so the higher noise level is ok.  Wink


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineAndie007 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 861 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11807 times:

Funny  Smile
I flew to NYC on the same day (but via Vienna on Austrian).

When did you fly back?

BTW - great trip report and superb pics!


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11658 times:

Quoting Andie007 (Reply 23):
I flew to NYC on the same day (but via Vienna on Austrian).

When did you fly back?

Andie,
thanks a lot! So you arrived some hours earlier on OS A332. I flew back on April 12th.
How was your trip on OS? I haven't seen an OS A332 longhaul trip report yet.


Regards
Udo


25 Post contains images Sabena332 : Neither me, I am really curious how their long-haul Economy Class product is, a trip report would be nice . Patrick
26 Post contains images Mrniji : but... it is free I heard a lot good things about OS. OS kicks ass on VIE-DEL (6th freedom traffic), they take a lot of annoyed LH pax (I know many p
27 Sabena332 : I also heard good things about OS but I never flew on them myself or read a detailed trip report about an Austrian Airlines long-haul flight. Offerin
28 Post contains images Mrniji : Wo Du Recht hast, hast Du Recht !
29 Post contains images Udo : Subin, if you only had seen or tasted that "dinner"... There's still some hope that more and more people realize how much better some alternatives ar
30 Post contains images Mrniji : How about we just start our own airline with that slogan?
31 AirWales : Good report - thanks! Looking forward to my first trip on a 777 with BA to Beijing later in the year.
32 Post contains images A340600 : Hey, Lovely report . I am looking into AF for a flight soon, they look to be pretty good, i love the variety within their fleet! I shall join you Chee
33 Post contains images Flpuck6 : Hello everyone, I hate to disappoint ... but I think the video-on-demand is exclusively in First and Business class . I have traveled on aircraft whic
34 Post contains images Udo : Tim, Thanks! You will definitely enjoy your B777 flight, the aircraft rocks, at any time, at any place. Sam, thanks to you, too. AF really offer grea
35 Post contains images Ryanair737 : Excellent report with some excellent photos, you were very lucky to fly on the B777-300ER! My Dad has just returned from JNB and he also flew with Air
36 Udo : Thanks a lot, Daniel! I'm glad I didn't have an aircraft change this time, as happened in the past. That was a B744 on JNB route, probably an older o
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