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User currently offlineN864DA From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 259 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 23518 times:

Date: June 7, 2005
Leaving: New York JFK
Arriving: Zurich ZRH
Airline: Swiss
Flight Number: 17
Scheduled Departure: 18:25
Actual Departure: 18:25 takeoff at 19:11
Scheduled Arrival: 08:15
Actual Arrival: 08:32 landing at 08:25
Departure Gate: B29
Arrival Gate: E34
Departure Runway: 31L
Arrival Runway: 14
Cruising Altitude: FL370
Seat: 41A
Aircraft: Airbus A340-313X
Registration: HB-JMC


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My final year of college now done, it was time again to go to home to Switzerland for the summer for a few months. I booked about a month in advance roundtrip from New York JFK to Zurich. The outbound would be on 6/7 and would be operated on the new A340! SWISS operates the A343 twice a week into JFK (Mondays and Tuesdays) and the rest of the time it is the A332. For the return, I had no choice but to go with the A332. At the time I booked the flights, I was unable to select my seats. I called the SWISS number and spoke with a very friendly agent who assigned me window seats on both flights. Great! I was eagerly anticipating my first A340 flight.

I arrived at Kennedy International airport Terminal 4 a good two hours before departure. A quick scan of the monitors showed exactly where to go to check in. I headed to row number 3 where, oddly enough, I was greeted with a short line. The folks over at KLM one row down were not as lucky. I was summoned over by one of the agents. A rather nice agent was trying to check me in but his computer kept on freezing. Finally, after a few minutes, he was able to print out my boarding pass and tag my luggage. So far, so good. I had to take my bags to the dreaded TSA screening area where I dropped them off.



The International Air Terminal at JFK airport is one of the nicest terminals I can think of. It offers all the amenities in a bright and spacious environment. It even has its own website – www.jfkiat.com. To my delight, there was a Samuel Adams bar located in the central terminal area. I could simply not pass up the opportunity to enjoy a beer there. There are a number of shops in the mall including everything from duty free to newsstands to designer apparel. To my dismay, there was no Krispy Kreme as there was last year – I really wanted some donuts one last time before heading to Europe. I enjoyed an excellent Sam Adams Boston Ale on tap (you can also order good food there) before going over to the security area. The security line was short and the process was efficient.

Once in the familiar concourse B, I noticed one thing: virtually all the gates were taken. The two Swiss Airbuses were parked at their usual gates (B27 and B29) so naturally I would check those out first. Parked at B27 was the Geneva flight, an A330 HB-IQP. At B29 was an A340, registration HB-JMC. This would be my first time flying the A340, especially after quite a few A330 flights. I had the opportunity to see a few exotic birds including an Emirates A340-500 (not so exotic in ZRH), a Ukrainian Air B767-300 UR-VVG, and, best of all, a Primaris 757 N740PA; the plane the governmental press uses and also the first B757 to land at TVC. I could definitely tell it was the evening rush. I even logged two MD-11s, which are getting increasingly rare these days – Finnair and Varig.

Once inside the concourse, there is not much opportunity to shop or grab a bite. There is a brew house and one newsstand and that’s it. The other end of the terminal offers a good view of the tarmac. I spotted there for a while without hassle. However, you can’t take a photo there without a getting a reflection. My camera did serve one purpose: getting all the registrations. As I was going back to the gate, I took a look at the A340. A couple, maybe in their late 40s, were talking about the aircraft. The husband said “This Airbus sure looks bigger than a Super 80”. He then went on to say how often he flew the S80. I just felt like telling him all about the A340 and Swiss as he got some of his facts wrong but I just kept quiet.

Boarding started at exactly 17:40, the precise time indicated on my boarding pass. Back to Swiss efficiency it is. I entered the cabin of the A340 and immediately noted that there was not a speck of dust in sight. Both the inside and outside of this plane were exceptionally well kept. The business class seats seemed really roomy and looked like an improvement over the old ex-Swissair seats. Back in Economy, the seats didn’t seem like an improvement at all. Legroom still was limited. The seats were hard. The light brown color of the seats looks better in person than in the pictures. I took seat 41A and was disappointed the seats felt exactly the same as the old Swissair ones on the A330s. This A340 had the old-style Airbus cabin (HB-JMI has the new cabin) but it still looked great.


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The PTV screens are unlike any I’ve ever seen. They are huge. I was pretty bummed to find out they weren’t touch screens like those found on Song. They were displaying a “Welcome to Swiss” message in English, German, French, Italian, and Romansch. It really makes you, the passenger, feel at home. Unlike the old days of flying Swissair and the early days of SWISS, you no longer get an amenity kit in Economy. With 40 minutes until scheduled departure, I checked out departing and arriving planes. Luckily, no plane was obstructing my view. About five minute before departure, the maitre de cabin came on the PA welcoming us on board Swiss and announcing the Captain and First Officer. Pushback was prompt at 18:25 during which the safety demonstration was shown in English, German, and French.

During the taxi, the screen was showing footage of some sort of airport and random planes taxiing by. The planes were not even centered and it looked like a very poorly shot video. Then, I figured it out. It was the live nose camera feature available on the A340 but not on the A330. Sure enough, as the plane started moving under its power, I saw the yellow taxi line moving also. We started moving towards what looked like runway 22L. All the other planes were heading in that direction. After a very slow taxi, we finally lined up with 22L. I could see on the screen that the Mexicana A318 in front of us was also on the runway. Not only that, but the A318 turned right onto another taxiway. In essence, we were using 22L as a taxiway. In fact, after we turned off 22L, the captain came on the PA explaining that we were “number 8 for takeoff for runway 31 left.” He then proceeded to explain our routing. He also added that right after our takeoff, we would make a left turn. Of course, I knew this since it is the procedure following 31L takeoffs, also known as the Canarsie Departure. At 19:10, we lined up with 31L, or 45 minutes after our pushback.

During the initial takeoff run, I could not help but thinking of all those underpowered-A340 jokes and that the only thing making it take off is the curvature of the earth. About 45 seconds later, I noted on the PTV screen was showing the liftoff. The initial climb was a bit steeper than I’d expected. Almost immediately, we banked left following first the Canarsie Departure, where I got treated to great views of the airport, and then an east southeastern track along Long Island.





We then turned due northeast. About five minutes after takeoff, the captain came back on the PA announcing the IFE would be activated in 20 minutes and offered a slightly more precise detail of our routing and that we would top out at a latitude of 49 degrees north. This is further south than normal for the JFK-ZRH route. As the IFE wasn’t on, I couldn’t see how slowly we actually were climbing. I just sat back, checking out the coast of Long Island.

Not long after leaving Long Island, I could see the IFE booting up. This would give me an opportunity to evaluate it. The IFE has Audio Video On Demand (AVOD), which means you can watch movies and listen to songs when you want, starting when you want them to start. There was a whole list of movies to choose from, about 10 in total, each of them available in different languages. The music jukebox feature is very similar to that on Song. There are several albums from different genres and you can play any song from any album. Other options from the main menu include “Flight Information” which has the Airshow, the Nose Camera View, and the Down View (looking below the aircraft). There is a separate “TV Shows” option, where you can watch several shows. There is also a Financial Information section that is helpful for business travelers. For the less serious among us, there is a “Game” section. I noticed a few people playing “Millionaire”, but there are about 6 other games to choose from. The IFE is very easy to navigate and rich in features. That coupled with the immense screen and I am happy to give this system a perfect 10 out of 10.

Upon reaching cruising altitude, we were served drinks. Unfortunately, there were no snacks as some airlines offer today. I don’t really care as dinner is served shortly thereafter. Plus, the snacks that come are so small, they don’t add to your “fullness” at the end of the day. I see them as more of a hassle. Dinner was served about 1 hour 40 minutes into the flight. The two options, say it out loud, were Chicken and Pasta. I chose the chicken. It came with some rice and string beans. There was also some Monterey Cheese and a marble brownie and a salad with Caesar dressing. The chicken was a bit overcooked as was the rice but both tasted quite good. I didn’t have the salad. The marble brownie was great. Overall, I would give it a not-bad 7 out of 10. Dinner was cleared rather quickly.

I also had the opportunity to check out the bathrooms. They were identical to the ones found on the A330-200s; not bad but a far cry from the palatial ones found on Northwest’s A330-300s. I also snapped one perfect shot of the cabin but when I returned to my seat, I found I had left the ISO on 200 from a previous shoot. On a Panasonic FZ3, the noise levels at 200 are very high. So, I left my seat not even a minute after having returned to it, to do a re-shoot at ISO 80, all the while making myself look as least suspicious as I could be. I took what I thought was a good picture but when I returned to my seat, I found that a flight attendant was in the aisles – badpeople. Obviously, I wasn’t going to rise again so I would have to wait until the morning. By the time morning came, and another opportunity to get up from my seat, I snapped two more shots. One of them looked good enough if a bit dark. When I got home, I found out some guy in the back had his face facing the camera. Another badpeople albeit not as bad. The second came out blurry. Cabin shots are bloody hard to take when you’re handholding exposures of ½ a second to a full second (even with Image Stabilizer) and the plane is unpredictably shaking. Oh well, there are many LX A343 cabin pictures on a.net – even one from HB-JMC!



I was planning on sleeping right after dinner but I decided to check out the movie selection first. There, I decided I was going to watch Hitch. It felt so good being able to start the movie myself. I found it was a good movie when I saw it in the theaters and wanted to see it again. I later found out my seatmate was watching the same movie, about 45 seconds ahead of me. Two hours less of sleep for me. Oh well.

After more than 4 hours into the flight, the movie ended and I started my attempt at falling asleep. This was a difficult task. SWISS provides you with a warm blanket but it is too small. The pillow was quite comfortable. During cruise, the A340 was a bit noisier than I expected though the levels are well below the B747 and B777. With the exception of about five minutes over the middle Atlantic, there was virtually no turbulence. It took me a long time to actually fall asleep for a few minutes despite the pillow and the winged headrest. This is a new aircraft and is supposed to have improved seats. Travelers with Gold or Silver status can upgrade for about $50 to business, something I would definitely recommend.

I kept on falling in and out of sleep so I decided on skipping breakfast. My dad told me it wasn’t that good anyway. When I finally woke up, the flight attendants were passing out hot towels, something reminiscent of Swissair. At that point, we were flying above central France at FL370. The IFE was switched off during the initial descent. The screens started displaying information about the Zurich airport as well as flight connections. A nice touch though I do miss Swissair’s short documentaries taking place in the Swiss mountainside.

With the engines at or near idle, the A340 descends very quietly. This is the first time I noticed this aircraft was designed with a focus on keeping the decibels low. We flew over northern Switzerland before making a slightly left turn. During this portion of the flight, the Airshow was on. The scenery is really beautiful. I would really like to live in one of those towns on the approach path. At 08:24, we made what initially seemed like a smooth landing but then the nose gear came down harshly. The screens started displaying a “Goodbye” message as soon as we turned onto the taxiway. It was a short taxi to gate E34 but due to some sort of issue, we had to stop before reaching the gate. Our arrival time was 08:32, about 15 minutes late. I was off the plane in 8 minutes, which is about average, if I’m in the back. The flight attendants were saluting nearly everybody leaving the plane. I made my way into the new Terminal E.

I found SWISS to be only a small downgrade from the excellent service I always received on Swissair, mostly 1-there being no amenity kit and 2-the flight attendants lacked the overall exoticness on Swissair. I found their service, overall, to be better than British Airways and Air France, and on par with KLM – all good airlines. One thing, however, I do not get is how Swiss configures their A340s with a mere 228 seats (a Song 757 has just 31 fewer seats than this) yet the seats are narrow and legroom of 31 or 32 inches is not that great. To be honest, none of the European airlines I’ve flown on to date has/had great seats in Economy, save for the comfy seats on the Swissair/SWISS MD-11s. After arriving at the gate, a passenger in front of me was moaning to his wife that they were going to have to spend another six hours on an Airbus in those seats. It is nearly impossible to fall asleep in them. It is such a pity since the F and C seats are so nice. It is ironic how US airlines such as AA domestic, B6, and Song can get away with 33 or even 34 inches of seat pitch on flights of only a few hours but the economy seats on 8-hour flights or more are cramped. Overall, the flight attendants were nice and professional, the food was OK, and the service was good. The other airlines should copy the IFE system as it is the best I’ve run into so far. If you find you can’t fall asleep, just watch two movies and listen to some of the music on demand. Zurich airport has a “freshen up” lounge free to First and Business travelers, CHF 10 for Economy travelers in case you are not feeling great the next morning.

The signs at ZRH are very good and it took not even 7 minutes to get from the gate at the distant Terminal E to the Terminal 2 Arrivals Area/Passport Control using the very efficient train. There were about six different officers, so I didn’t have to wait one minute there. The arrivals area is clean and modern. The bags were on the carousel in good time. I deplaned at 08:40 and had all my bags by 09:10. I would still consider SWISS to be a great international airline despite the disappointing seats. With that in mind, I headed on home.

An interesting side-note: when I was checking out my ZRH pictures from last summer on my computer’s hard drive, the SWISS A340 I photographed the most happened to be HB-JMC – and those photos were also the highest quality!

I hope you enjoyed reading my report. Feel free to leave any criticisms or comments!

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User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 23386 times:

Great trip report! I fly this route when ever I go over to ZRH. I really don't like the colors of LX's A340, but I will take A340 business over A330 Business any day!!



-Joe


User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 23191 times:

I flew SWISS from JFK to ZRH and on to FCO and back in January 2004. The outbound flight, LX 17, was an MD11, HB-IWN, one of the last MD11 flights LX operated out of JFK. I returned on HB-JME. A340-300. Fantastic flights.

User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 23051 times:

Awesome report dude. I can't wait to fly on a Swiss A343 this summer. LHR-ZRH-CAI. How different is the new interior on an A340 as opposed to the old?


Someday the sun will shine down on me in some faraway place - Mahalia Jackson
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 23019 times:

Hi!

I had to drop a line on this report. First of all because I flew the same SWISS A340 in December 2003 from LAX to ZRH. At that time SWISS was just starting to replace their MD11 flights with the brand new A340. When I flew JMC the plane was a mere 2 months old, so still smelled new!
I also agree about SWISS IFE, works perfectly but when we flew SWISS cabin crew was still trying to run perfectly the system and a few passangers had their screens freezed ( including my oldest son who was very, very frustrated.... ).
Regarding the seats I think it was not that bad, I like the configuration of the A340, but that is because we had 2 kids at that time ( meanwhile we have a new baby girl so you may discart my feeling.... ) and me and my wife we could both go with one of them in each row, so no need to ask for the 3rd. passenger to open a space..... and you know how kids are in long flights like LAX to ZRH ( our flight lasted 11:15 minutes ).
Regarding the take-off I also remember well seeing the front camera showing our plane lifting out LAX and I also think like you that the A340 shows no "guts" on take-off ( last May I finnally flew on KLM 777 and that's another thing... ) but during the flight the plane looked very confortable. On landing I think the A340 is a very steady and solid platform.
Anyway great report!
Regards


User currently offlineLX001 From Austria, joined Jun 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 22990 times:

Great report! Well done...
The only thing I don`t agree with your opinion is the criticism about the economy seats. I flew Swiss A340 last year to Bangkok and I remember me and my friend being very astonished about the space and pleasant seating quality in comparison to all the other we have flown. Well, I am quite tall. The best point is that there are no "IFE boxes" under the seats.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 22780 times:

To my dismay, there was no Krispy Kreme as there was last year – I really wanted some donuts one last time before heading to Europe.

There is still a place that sells Krispy Kreme, but yes, the old place is gone.

Random question for you...About those two photos you posted. If you were taking off of 31L, then how could you get a photo of T4 (which is on the right side) and then have a photo of the left wing (obviously on the left side)?


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 22682 times:

Excellent report! Great pics also!

How does the A340 compare to the 777? - if you've flown one that is  Smile

Rob!


User currently offlineN864DA From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 259 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 22634 times:

Thanks for the comments!

My only major complaint about the seats are that they were too hard. One thing these seats had that I have never seen on a Y class seat (something I forgot to mention) was that when you recline, the bottom cushion reclines slightly with the back part, giving more of a lounging feel. The seat pitch is very average but the pitch in Y is rarely enough no matter what carrier you fly. These would be great seats if there were an inch more pitch and had more padding.

Quoting TUNisia (Reply 3):
How different is the new interior on an A340 as opposed to the old?

Last summer, I flew on a NW A333, which had the new interior. Basically, the area around the windows flows much better. Here's an example of the two interiors - the old (HB-JMC) followed by the new (HB-JMI)


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Quoting CV990 (Reply 4):
last May I finnally flew on KLM 777 and that's another thing...

There is no comparing to the thrust those GE90s produce. Taking off feels more impressive on the 777 (especially with the GE90s such as AF and KL) and even on the A330. With the A340, it is very relaxed and silent.

Quoting B742 (Reply 7):
How does the A340 compare to the 777? - if you've flown one that is

I have flown the 777 three times - once on AF and twice on UA. The GE90-powered Air France was quiet (I was seated just ahead of door 3L) but I found the UA 777s to be considerably noiser but maybe that's because I was seated near the back. The rear section is always noiser than the front. The A340 compares favorably with the AF 777 in the back, and in the front it should be a very silent ride during cruise. During the descent, the A340 is considerably quieter than any of the three 777s I flew.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 6):
Random question for you...About those two photos you posted. If you were taking off of 31L, then how could you get a photo of T4 (which is on the right side) and then have a photo of the left wing (obviously on the left side)?

I was seated on the port side (left side). The shot of the terminal was taken during the Canarsie departure, about a minute after gear up. If you know that departure, the plane basically turns 225 degrees to the left immediately after takeoff (from a heading of 315 to about 90). The photo was taken while we were heading almost in a downwind direction with relation to the runway (probably somewhere around 135 to 150 degrees heading). Hence, the airport was to our left.

N864DA


User currently offlineFrancoBlanco From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 22624 times:

Quoting N864DA (Thread starter):
I just felt like telling him all about the A340 and Swiss as he got some of his facts wrong but I just kept quiet.

I know exactly what you mean, sometimes it can be really difficult to keep quiet in such situations!  Smile

A nice trip report with nice pictures, too.
I have always thought of JFK as an cramped, old airport where you get hassled by the TSA and others, but obviously that´s not true (at least at T4)! I really have to go there in the near future!

Sebastian


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 22613 times:

Great report! Love the detail.

With photo reports I usually only look at the photos, but yours I read! I should try that more often.

I plan to right a trip report in August for my first flight aboard a A340-600, I hope I can make it as good as yours!

I very much agree with you on your views on the AVOD system, I have had the feature on Virgin and KLM flights, I wish Air France would add it to their IFE system.



No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 22546 times:

Hi!

Like N864DA said the way the 777 lifts off is a great feeling, lots of power, but besides that the plane is very confortable, and about KLM the IFE they use is very close to the SWISS one, the only thing is that KLM had many more options ( well at least compared to what I got with SWISS in 2003... ).
regards


User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 22472 times:

One thing the KLM 777 AVOD is missing is the tail cam.


No Vueling No Party
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 22413 times:

Quoting N864DA (Reply 8):
I was seated on the port side (left side). The shot of the terminal was taken during the Canarsie departure, about a minute after gear up. If you know that departure, the plane basically turns 225 degrees to the left immediately after takeoff (from a heading of 315 to about 90). The photo was taken while we were heading almost in a downwind direction with relation to the runway (probably somewhere around 135 to 150 degrees heading). Hence, the airport was to our left.

Did you use much zoom in that photo? I listened to the ATC tapes for that day and your flight was turned to 090, and then cleared direct to HAPIE a few minutes later (which would bring you along the Long Island coast). I didn't hear when your flight contacted departure, but it was before the flight was told to turn, I'm pretty sure. I haven't been on the Canarsie Climb in a while, but I don't remember being that close to the airport. Or I could be way off the mark.

And great report, by the way! I'll always have fond memories of Swissair (my first flight with movies selectable by me on a PTV was on a Swissair MD-11 - I must have watched "Down Periscope" three times between GVA and JFK). Swiss is nice, but not quite as nice as Swissair, I guess.

-Mir



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User currently offlineAlphafloor From Chile, joined Jun 2004, 1277 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 22199 times:

I can't see the pics...


Whatever
User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 22016 times:

Thanks for this good report. I always had very friendly crews on my Swiss flights. A question: I have flown many times on a Swiss A 332 but not yet in a 343. Actually I like the 332 but the economy seats aren't too comfortable. Are the 343 eco seats better. I prefer harder seats, I think it is better for your back.

User currently offlineAirplanetire From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 21840 times:

Awesome trip report! I'm glad to hear that the service on Swiss is good like that one Swissair. In 2001, I flew Swissair from ATL to ZRH to ATH and back on A332s and A321s, respectively, and the service was amazing. Next Wednesday, I'm flying AA from ATL to MIA and then am flying LX 65 to ZRH on an A330 and then onward to NUE. I hope it is as good as your flight!

User currently offlineN864DA From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 259 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21674 times:

I appreciate the comments. I also have really great memories of Swissair going back to my first flight with them in 1989. I don't remember ever having a subpar flight with them.

Quoting Mir (Reply 13):
Did you use much zoom in that photo? I listened to the ATC tapes for that day and your flight was turned to 090, and then cleared direct to HAPIE a few minutes later (which would bring you along the Long Island coast). I didn't hear when your flight contacted departure, but it was before the flight was told to turn, I'm pretty sure. I haven't been on the Canarsie Climb in a while, but I don't remember being that close to the airport. Or I could be way off the mark.

Thanks for providing me with the departure info! I believe I used the full 12x zoom on my Panasonic FZ3 (about 420mm/280mm on DSLR) It was lightly cropped. All in all, we were about a mile west of runway 31L/13R. The Canarsie departure does take you pretty close to the airfield.

Quoting Alphafloor (Reply 14):
. Actually I like the 332 but the economy seats aren't too comfortable. Are the 343 eco seats better. I prefer harder seats, I think it is better for your back.

The seats are better if you like hard seats. Me, I find them hard to sleep on (no pun intended). The reclining feature is better than the A332. The seats on the MD-11 (if you flew on it) seemed wider than either of the Airbus types.

Quoting Airplanetire (Reply 16):
I hope it is as good as your flight!

Swiss offers consistent service, in my opinion. All the flight crews are nice. For shorthaul flights, you no longer have to pay for drinks, which is good.

I was scheduled to fly a KLM 777 last year AMS-JFK but problems with the aircraft meant a change to a B744, so I was not able to try out the IFE there. The Swiss A343 IFE offers pretty much everything a traveler needs.

N864DA


User currently offlineCambrian From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 619 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 21638 times:

Great report!

Provided that the timings and routings are convenient, I really can't imagine why anyone would choose another airline. Swiss is consistently excellent on both long and short haul flights.


User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5566 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 21507 times:

Quoting N864DA (Reply 17):
The seats on the MD-11 (if you flew on it) seemed wider than either of the Airbus types.

I flew many times on the Swissair/Swiss MD 11 and I really loved them.


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 21049 times:

Hi!

Although I only flew once in a SWISS MD11 that airplane has a special place "in my heart"!!!!
I still feel quite sad to see that most of them are beeing converted to cargo and maybe somebody one day will explain me why MD11 is no better than the 747-400! 3 engines versus 4 engines, good range, I just don´t know!!!! You look to KLM and they still fly a strong MD11 fleet..... I think the MD11 was killed by the aviation!
regards


User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 21027 times:

Hey,

A truly wonderful report, thanks for sharing. Well written with the right amount of detail,

Cheers,

Sam Smile



Despite the name I am a Boeing man through and through!
User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2900 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 20762 times:

Hi Pier,

now finally I read your report and I've got to say I enjoyed it. Service and especially inflight entertainment is simply great (though, as already pointed out, it sometimes doesn't work the way it should). I personally found the seats in the A340 Economy quite comfortable, legspace was alright for me, and I didn't find them too hard either, but this is of course just my opinion. Anyway, we both enjoyed flying on Swiss' A340, definitely fun to fly on.

Regards, Alex.


User currently offlineSWISSER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 20627 times:

Hi!

I did not try out the economy cabin of the LX 340,
but after reading your comments about the pitch and seat I'll have to check it out for myself now!

The business seat is simply wonderfull!

I've flown many times in CC on several carriers , but the only way
for me to get some sleep is on board an A340 and preferably the Swiss one!

Try it out, LX's business! it's of course more expensive, but still acceptable in price!(and there you get an amenity kit and socks off course!  Wink )


User currently offlineBuck3y3nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 13 hours ago) and read 18268 times:

excellent trip report... enjoyed reading it...

25 Post contains images ZRHnerd : Yet another great LX report, thanks! I agree on the economy seats, it's not that they are particularely uncomfortable, it's the seat pitch making you
26 BA319-131 : Great report, loved the detail, a most enjoyable read. Rgds Mark
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