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A Trip To Paris Air Show 05(on IB) + Lots Of Pics!  
User currently offlineIberiaN From Spain, joined Sep 2003, 166 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9045 times:

Hi everybody!
On the 18th of June 2005 I visited Paris Air Show 2005. Here is my report of the trip to Paris from my local airport and the visit to LE BOURGET! Hope you enjoy reading it!

IB0487 OVD-MAD
Aircraft- Airbus Industries A320-211
Departure time-18:00
Boarding time- 17:25
Gate- 7
Remarks- On time

I and my family arrived at Asturias airport by ALSA (The most important coach company in Spain) from our city, Gijón around 5 p.m. The airport was practically empty although there were some flights scheduled for that time. Our baggage was checked in by a friendly staff who gave us seats 26D, 26E and 26F (26F for me!)

We had a drink at the café of the airport and then went through security.
Boarding was scheduled at 17:25 but by that time, our A320 hadn’t landed yet. It arrived at 17:40 and passengers were disembarked at 17:50

Here you can see our A320 EC-IEI “Monasterio de Valldigna”



Also a CRJ of Iberia Regional Air Nostrum from Seville is taxing to the gate:



We boarded the aircraft through the finger and a F/A received us with a nice smile. The plane was completely full and nearly everybody was seated. Also two F/As standing in the aisle welcomed us on board and then we sat down.

The video display was played only in Spanish while we were pushed back, thankfully on time!

We took off smoothly and after 10 minutes climbing, we reached our cruise altitude and speed. We were given “IB Universal”, the new IB’s newspaper.



The purser offered us “Tu menu” with a very professionally English (The first time I hear a F/A of IB speaking excellent English!) and an image display was shown on the screens.
After 50 minutes of flight, we started the descent into MAD, and the captain deployed the spoilers during the approach. Is this usual? I do so on Flight Simulator, but I thought it had no effect in real life!
Anyway we landed on runway 33 and immediately were parked at gate E71.

Our connection flight was scheduled to board at 19:55, so we went shopping for a while because we had plenty of time left. After that we went to gate E79 which is situated at the rear of MAD’s terminal 3.

IB3400 MAD-ORY
Aircraft- Airbus Industries A320-211
Departure time-20:30
Boarding time- 19:55
Gate- E79 (Plane parked at the apron)
Remarks- On time

Boarding started on time and we were bussed to the plane which was parked in a remote stand near T1. We saw nice aircrafts such us an Air Madrid A340 or a Pullmantur Air B743.






When we arrived near the A320 we had to wait for a while until the plane was cleaned.
Here is a shot of the captain.



Then we boarded by the front door:



A group of two young cabin staff welcomed us and then we sat down on seats 20D, 20E and 20F (the window one for me too!)
Here is the ambient inside our A320:



Doors were closed on time and then the safety video display was shown both in Spanish and English. In addition another record in French was played.
While taxiing I had the opportunity to spot nice planes such as the IB 744 and A346:




We reached runway 36L. An IB B752 and a JK MD-87 (ex-IB) were waiting in front of us. After waiting for a short time we entered the runway and took off softly.

After some time, the purser (this time a very old but experienced lady) offered Tu Menu again and also the On-Board shop. A thing I don’t like of IB’s service is that the messages given to the passengers are always the same, the tings F/A do are always the same… it’s a little bit boring. On the other hand I understand it’d be a real chaos if every staff did what he/she liked!

Anyway, after 1h and 20min, we started the approach into ORY. The captain announced that there would be some problems during the landing due to strong wind, although we managed to land smoothly!

Traffic at ORY was fluent. Sorry but the photos I took of ORY airport are crap! Anyway there were 2 TAP A320s, an AF B735 an IB MD87 and two A320s (One from BCN and the other one was ours) in the terminal area we were parked at. In addition an Air Europa B738 was taxiing behind us and also an Air France A343.

ORY airport seemed a little bit old and dirty and so did the parking and check-in area.

We took a taxi at the airport which took us to Disneyland Resort Paris where we stayed for only two nights but it was lovely.

VISIT TO THE PARIS AIR SHOW 2005 at Le Bourget airport.

Saturday, 18th June, 2005

It was a sunny day. Sunny and hot! Anyway it seemed to be a nice day. We took the RER line from “Parc Disneyland” to Chaletet des Halles in central Paris. The platform was crowded of people from all walks of life and after a short time a train full of people arrived. It was another RER which stopped at “Le Bourget” station. We took the train and after four stations we all disembarked at “Le Bourget” which was a total chaos! Lines and lines of people waiting for the Shuttle buses and floods of people who decided to get to le Bourget airport on foot. We decided to choose the second option because you couldn’t imagine how long the lines for the shuttles were!

Le Bourget town was a pretty disaster that day: People crossing wherever they liked, police cars driving past every second… amazing.

After a walk of around 40 minutes we arrived at Le Bourget airport by gate L3. Thousands of people were waiting to enter the show, but it was a SLOWLY process. Organisation was crap! No controls, no lines, no signs, no security… an absolutely chaos again! After more than 1h and 30 minutes, we “pre-entered” the show. We had to wait for the tickets to be checked. Thanks God we had bought the tickets in advance through the Internet, otherwise we’d still waiting in line to buy them!

Afterwards we visited the “Simulation hall” and I enjoyed a lot watching people managing to land with an A380 and an A320. It was a little bit expensive: 10 euros for one ride: for that money I enjoy 1.000 times flying with my FS at home!

After that we visited more halls which were very nice. Here you can see interesting stuff such as the A380 engine or the B787 landing gear:




A380 cabin:


A380 seats:


A380 rear cabin:


IB’s “La muñoza” maintenance facilities at Spanish Pavilion in Hall 2:


View of the apron:


As you can see the apron was completely full and it was nearly impossible to move.
There were nice planes parked in both sides of the taxiway, here you can see the ones I liked most:

Qantas link Bombardier Q400:

United Express CRJ (200 I suppose)

AF B741 of “Air and Space museum”:

B741 engine:

B777-200LR “Worldliner”:


Air Tahiti Nui A343:




After this quick visit to the static display, we all approached the tribune to watch the marvellous flying display which was about to begin.
The magnificent and huge A380 was parked just in front of us so I had the opportunity to take a pic of it:

The A340-600 was also in front of us (notice the zeppelin)

After 20 minutes of the scheduled time, the parachutists appeared in the cloudy sky!
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It was an impressive exhibition!
The next display was a light plane but it was difficult to spot it because it flew at a very high speed. My camera is a Sony Cybershot 5x Megapixels and 3x optical zoom, but it’s not enough to catch the planes during flight properly, so with the help of a pair of binoculars I managed to catch the planes as well as I could.
And now, let’s see our large friend!
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3/emilopez88/DSC01455.jpg


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3/emilopez88/DSC01450.jpg

A380 and A346 parked at the apron:



Impressive, isn’t it?

OVERALL IMPRESSION OF PARIS AIR SHOW
I think that the only good thing of this event was the flying display, specially the A380 performance. On the other hand, I was a real let-down to find that the organisation of the show was practically nonexistent. There were thousands and thousands of people and nearly no signs indicating the exits and the shuttle bus stops. Even not personnel of the show knew where the bus stops were! We were told to leave the show by gate 0, where the buses were supposed to be, but the stops were not there! We had to go walking among thousands of pedestrians for more than an hour until we reached the train station, in which lots of people were waiting to take RER trains to Paris. After 1h and 45min, we arrived at Chaletet des Halles and finally took our train to Disneyland Resort Paris.

The prices of food at the show were absolutely overprized. A water bottle of 25cl cost 3.00 euros! Of course the sandwiches weren’t cheap at all! Around 7.00 euros for a baguette with butter and some slides of ham. The snack bars and restaurants were old-fashioned and of course were not prepared to fulfil the needs of more than 50,000 people properly.

In addition, I was disappointed to find that the “tribune” whose seats cost 10 euros per person, was not equipped with a cover which could have prevented us from burning due to the sun rays and a temperature of more than 35ºC.

By and large, I think that the managers of the “Paris Air show” have to learn a lot about security and organisation. I’ve been at some events like that in Spain (Expo 92, Forum Barcelona 04) which attract as many people as PAS and there isn’t by far the lack of information as the Air Show.

In addition I have to recognise that all the staff of the show were rude and treated us as cattle. No help and no amiability.

TRIP BACK TO SPAIN (IN THE FOLLOWING REPLY) sorry but it was hard to upload such a long report!


Has decidido puntualidad, has decidido Iberia ;)
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User currently offlineIberiaN From Spain, joined Sep 2003, 166 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9015 times:

Here is the other part of the topic:

TRIP BACK TO SPAIN:

Sunday 19th June, 2005
IB3433 CDG-MAD
Aircraft- Airbus Industries A320-211
Departure time-18:00
Boarding time- 17:15
Gate- D72
Remarks- On time


We arrived at terminal 2D of Paris-Charles de Gaulle airport. I thought that IB operated at terminal 2E which is brilliant, but the bus driver informed us that it was… T 2D! What an old and dark terminal! One of the worst I’ve ever been at!



Anyway, we entered the terminal and looked for the IB’s counters… What a surprise when I checked that IB hasn’t got its own check-in desks at CDG airport! Even not its own personnel with IB’s uniform! What a bad image IB was giving to her passengers with crap check-in counters with “foreign” and NO SPANISH SPEAKING STAFF!
The company which was serving IB was called “Europa Handling” or “Euro Handling” and it was the worst I’ve ever seen! The staff who checked our passports and gave us the boarding cards was the rudest person around the world. She spoke NO SPANISH, and treated Spanish people as “animals”. We were travelling with specially designed “cabin suitcases” in order not to check them in and save time, but she said that a suitcase over 10 kg was not allowed on board (passenger cabin) and must be checked-in. Our suitcase weighted 10.59kg, and according to IB’s rules, the heaviest suitcase permitted in cabin must be under 12kg, not 10! Another passenger had the same problem as us, and he wanted to talk with IB manager at CDG, but there was none. The staff at the check-in counters replied that IB’s main base at Paris is at ORLY airport and not at CDG, so they could do nothing. My father decided to go to IB’s ticket office at CDG to transmit our complaint and an old Spanish speaking lady with IB’s uniform informed us that IB usually have problems with the staff at CDG and she could do nothing though.

After this trouble, we went to the boarding area and waited until the gate was open.





30 minutes after the scheduled time, the boarding began. Our A320 was EC-GRJ “Cañón del Río Lobos” and, as the other flights, it was full! The crew consisted of three male staff and one female. They were young and friendly as well and offered us newspapers in French, Spanish and the new IB’s newspaper “IB universal”


We finally took off on time and I had the opportunity to take nice pics of Le Bourget Airport!!! (At the time it was closing!) and the city of Paris.


Here is a pic of our A320:

Approach at MAD:



After a nice landing at MAD and a long long taxi to the remote stands of this airport, we were disembarked and were bussed to the terminal.
A view of the apron:
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Disembarkation:



IB0488 MAD-OVD
Aircraft- Airbus Industries A320-211
Departure time-21:05
Boarding time- 20:45
Gate- D60
Remarks- On time

After waiting in line, we were told to start boarding into our next A320 “Sierra de Cazorla”. The plane was fully booked again.


Anyway we were pushed-back on time and after reaching runway 36L we took off. Here is a pic of the planes waiting behind us:

Madrid outskirts:


During descent into OVD:


During the approach some typical Spanish “fiesta” music was played (In Spanish “chunda chunda”). It was a little bit rude in such a flight, but at the same time ridiculous.
Anyway we landed softly and taxied to gate 5. We disembarked the plane by the front door where all the crew was standing.

Iberia overall impression:
I think that IB is trying to improve passenger attention, contracting younger and friendlier staff. On the other hand, Tu Menu service is a way of giving the passengers a bad impression of the airline policy. Anyway I definitely will fly with IB again because they have improved a lot in passenger service, confort and punctuallicity. Well done IB!

Hope you enjoyed reading my report!
Any comments or suggestions welcome!
Regards
Emilio



Has decidido puntualidad, has decidido Iberia ;)
User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8989 times:

Very nice trip repot, excellent pictures. Glad you have enjoyed the Paris air show.

Funny coincidence that we have been in the air on the same day at the same time (I was flying easyJet NCE-BSL while you were flying OVD-MAD)  Smile

Good to see your flights were well booked. Apart from the high oil prices this year seems to be a good year for aviation.

Best regards,
RJ100



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User currently offlineIBERIA747 From Spain, joined Aug 2003, 1831 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8941 times:

Wow Emilio...great report!! Awesome pictures!!

Sadly I couldn't go to Paris this year even though I had planned to attend...I'll try to make it next time.

Are you finally going to join us next October for the trip to Las Palmas and the spotting day at Madrid?

Saludos...y enhorabuena de nuevo.



¡¡VIVA ESPAÑA!!
User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8904 times:

Nice report. Agree with you about the organisation, it was poor!

€3 for water in the show. Then we left on the Sunday, and found a shop over the road selling the 2 litre bottle for 60 cents! Doh!



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8890 times:

Great report! I am glad you got the photos to work. I am guessing that you used photo bucket?

If you ever go back to ORY I suggest you go to their viewing deck which I believe is located at Orly "est".

I also saw Air Madrids A340-300 at MAD yesterday, beautiful bird!

Saludos!



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 8890 times:

Great report with great pictures!

Too bad that you didn't attend the A.net meeting at the show, it was a great day and we had a lot of fun! See the following thread for pictures: Paris 2005 MEGA Meet, See the Pictures! (by FlyAUA Jun 20 2005 in Non Aviation)

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 4):
€3 for water in the show. Then we left on the Sunday, and found a shop over the road selling the 2 litre bottle for 60 cents! Doh!

Same here, I paid 3 EUR for a bottle of water at the show and on the way to Le Bourget RER station we paid only 0,40 EUR for a can of Fanta or Orangina in a Moroccan supermarked on the main street.

Patrick

[Edited 2005-06-27 00:05:14]

User currently offlineAirbus3801 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1089 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8837 times:

Quoting IberiaN (Thread starter):
While taxiing I had the opportunity to spot nice planes such as the IB 744

Is that a 744? Big grin


User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3175 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8789 times:
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Hey- nice report. Good pictures.

Two things:
1) The UA CRJ is actually a series 700.

2) Is it standard procedure for IB to leave the flaps deployed in departure position when the aircraft is on stand? Noticed both of your MAD flights were like that... just wondering.

Anywho, nice report
JBLU


User currently offlineYYZUla From Poland, joined Feb 2004, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8729 times:

I really liked your trip report. I am flying IB on August 7th LHR-SVQ. Thanks for giving me an idea of what to expect.

User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2582 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8669 times:

Fabulous report & pics.

Well done - looks like you had a great day!

Ian.


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8658 times:

Hi Emilio!
Interesting report wiht some fascinating pictures.  Smile I have to concur with your conclusion about Iberia, they have improved in some aspects within the last few years, e.g. reliability and staff friendliness, howver, degraded their own product to a very basic, almost no frills like one at the same point.

An interesting and quite ironical fact about Euro Handling is that this is one of the main competitors of Iberia's own handling service at several Spanish airports. D



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User currently offlineIberiaN From Spain, joined Sep 2003, 166 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8609 times:

Hi everybody! thanks for have read my report!
First I would like to thank Gordon (AlitaliaMD11) for giving me some pieces of advise about how to place photos in the messages, yes I have used photo bucket!  Wink

Quoting Airbus3801 (Reply 7):
Is that a 744?

Yes it is, if you notice the winglets

Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 8):
Is it standard procedure for IB to leave the flaps deployed in departure position when the aircraft is on stand? Noticed both of your MAD flights were like that... just wondering

I also noticed that. It might be a way of "saving fuel" because in all flights the proceudre was the same. Any pilot who can give us a "technical" explanation?
Thanks!
Emilio



Has decidido puntualidad, has decidido Iberia ;)
User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3224 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8350 times:

A great trip report, I enjoyed reading it. IB, which I myself flew last month, is quite good in terms of its schedules and its great inflight newspaper. I did not like Tu Menu either as it is greatly overpriced. I also found that some of the staff seemed only interested in the sales of food and duty free and did not seem very friendly. Some of the staff were friendly, though. As I have only flown IB on 1 trip perhaps I would get a better overall impression of it on future trips.

I am glad you had a good time at Le Bourget despite the crowds. I went to Le Bourget myself last month (well before the Air Show) and found the exhibits were very interesting. I did not use the RER but got the Metro to Gare de l'Est and got the bus over to Le Bourget - on return I took the bus to another Metro station (I cannot remember which one) and returned to the city that way. The airshow must have been awesome...

Great report.

TrintoCan.



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