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High Score: The B717! BCN-BIO-BCN W/IB&JK (36 Pix)  
User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3910 times:

About the trip

My brief excursion to Bilbao (BIO) only served one purpose – to finally nail the elusive Boeing 717, which had evaded all my previous attempts to fly her. While I had to cancel a Germanwings 717 service to STN (operated by AeBal) in February due to business reasons, my second attempt to fly on an AeBal 717 between MAH and MAD was foiled, because my girlfriend and I had to cancel our vacations on Menorca after she had started a new job and still was on job probation. Therefore on June 23, I flew to BCN from DUS early in the morning and returned to my home airport later the same evening after the mission was “accomplished” (trip report covering this: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/59978/).

I booked this daytrip to BCN for a very affordable 58 Euro return during one of Air Berlin’s special sales. Additionally, due to the fare war within Spain, I was also able to acquire the segments to and from BIO for a very fair 37 Euro (outbound on IB) and 50 Euro (return on JK B717). While travelling on Peasant Class on a domestic Spanish trip isn’t really the “leading edge” of cabin service, these trips were still very memorable due to the new impressions coming from a new airport (BIO) and aircraft type (717).


Thursday, June 23, 2005

Barcelona El Prat Airport (BCN)

Having arrived by Air Berlin during the morning rush hour at BCN, I quickly proceeded to the land side in order to pick up my boarding pass. Iberia is offering web check-in via their website at http://www.iberia.com up to 24 hours before departure, and I had already reserved my seat as soon as this option was available. Or so I thought.

BCN has several landside modules, Terminal 2 being one of them. Check-in and arrivals are both at the same level, which can lead to quite sizeable crowds especially during the big rushes. While the check-in desks are located towards the airside, the hall is also filled with ticket desks, newsagents, small souvenir shops and art of questionable quality (see below). Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder…



While there were huge queues at the Iberia desks dedicated for “vuelos internacionales”, the section for “vuelos domesticos” remained fairly empty. Nevertheless, being the technology geek that I am, I still wanted to check-in using the automats located next to the manned desks, and entered my locator ID – it didn’t work. “OK”, so I thought, “then just try one of the other options”. No chance- neither checking in by passport ID number or passenger name revealed my records. I was becoming both a little nervous and impatient, so with a sigh of resignation - brave new world of technology – I walked over a few steps towards the next empty check-in desk and asked the friendly girl behind the counter to take care of my reservation.
Seemingly, something was in fact a little unusal about my booking, and it took her a good number of minutes until she had retrieved my reservation and printed out my boarding pass. As a little compensation and maybe thanks to my somewhat rusty, but nevertheless working Spanish, I even got a seat at the emergency exit. Neato!  Wink

Still having about two hours to spare, I wandered around the airport. Outside, the typcial Spanish smell of burning plastic foil (those of you, who have ever visited the coastal regions of the Mediterranean know, what I am talking about!) was greeting me, while a huge cavalcade of taxis and private cars were dropping off or picking up passengers. Bienvenido en Espana!



Inside, the hustle and bustle of the lively downtown of Barcelona was replicated in the departure hall – there were people rushing everywhere, nervous travellers trying to find their check-in desks or gates, airport employees going about their business… to cut a long story short, I had enough of this ant’s nest after a few minutes and went airside.



Once I had arrived on the airside, my mood changed quickly for the better, because the long hallways were fairly deserted – it was actually possible to take a leisurely stroll along the panoramic windows facing the apron and the shops located here in order to watch some of the action outside.



Both big players at BCN –Iberia and Spanair, were busy preparing their morning departures for destinations all around the country and Europe. For a fan of the “Long Beach Sewer Tube”, a.k.a. this perpective alone was worth the travel! While the MD-80 is becoming increasingly rare in central Europe, it is still a very common sight at Spanish airports, with Iberia operating almost fourty MD-87 and –88 and Spanair also flying the 717 and MD-80 in sizeable numbers.

I finally arrived at the triangular shaped departure lounge dedicated to our flight (M3). Barcelona El Prat features four of those triangles (M1 - M4), where several jetways at each of them provide easy access to the aircraft connected to them. Our Airbus, EC-ICS “Sierra de Grazalema” was already greeting me from the outside, being fed and watered for the departure to the Basque Country…



…however our departure lounge itself remained curiously empty, even with the departure only being 45 minutes way. Well, I didn’t mind and just waited patiently until a few more passengers trickled in and boarding was started about 20 minutes before departure.



I presented my boarding pass to the gate agent and went inside the jetway.


The flight (BCN-BIO)

Barcelona El Prat (BCN) – Bilbao Sondika (BIO)
Flight number: IB 1454
Scheduled block time: 1030h – 1135h
Off-block: 1037h
Take-Off: 1045h (RWY 25R)
Touch-down: 1130h (RWY 30)
On-block: 1133h

Airbus A320-211
EC-ICS “Sierra de Grazalema“
c/n 241
delivered: October 21, 1991

Seat 10A (Clase Turista)


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Once arriving inside the aircraft, I was greeted by a friendly middle aged flight attendant. Passing further down the aisle, another flight attendant – again friendly- assisted passengers with their seat location and the stowage of the hand baggage. The friendliness of the crew –which remained constant throughout the prepration and the flight itself – cannot be stressed enough, because many fellow a.net users like to bash Iberia for shoddy service and arrogant cabin crews. Having travelled Iberia about once per year over the last six or seven years, I cannot attest to that. At least my domestic and European flights with them were always operated with attentive and motivated cabin crews. I cannot speak for long-haul though and the reliability is also another question… I had some very nasty experiences with IB during the late 1990’s and vowed never to fly them again, but some good experiences have in the meantime convinced me to give the carrier another chance.

After the last passngers had arrived at their seats – this flight was surpisingly going out as a “full house” with a seat load factor probably exceeding 90 percent – the F/A’s came down the aisle with a selection of free national newspapers like “El Pais” and “El Diaro”.

Soon after that, the cabin was secured for take-off and the plane commenced pushing back from the terminal.



The IFE screens above every third seat row were lowered for the demonstration of the safety video. These screens were not of the “modern” flat LCD type, but rather small TV sets with “thick” backs (I don’t know how to describe this in any other way), showing that EC-ICS was in fact not one of the newer generation A320-214’s, but instead one of the original bunch of Airbusses, which were sourced into the IB fleet in the early 1990’s, being designated an A320-211.

Taxying towards the threshold of RWY 25R was only a matter of minutes because of the light traffic at this mid-morning time, and after a Spanair MD-82 in front of us had thundered down the runway and taken off into the bright blue sky, it was our turn for take-off.

Our lightly loaden Airbus sped down the runway and lifted up easily with a spirited display of power and elegance after passing only slightly more than half of the runway length. Climbing across the Mediterranean for a few minutes, flaps and slats were retracted and with a “clean wing”, we continued our ascent after executing a gentle right hand turn towards the inland.



Once we had reached our cruising altitide of 27.000 feet and velocity peaked at our crusing speed of 480 knots (880 kph), the IFE screens were again lowered, showering the passengers with Iberia’s version of the ubiquitous inflight video magazine featuring the usual amount of self promotion, travel advices and unfunny “funny clips”.
Also, cabin service was initiated, which comprised some beverage and light meal service in the front four rows of the cabin, which were curtained off as Business Class this morning. In Economy Class, however, service looked a little different.

Taking a sad lead in European aviation, Iberia had decided to get rid of copmplimentary cabin service in Economy Class on domestic and most European and North African flights afew years ago. All segments with a travel time below 3 hours (or something very similar) now offer the chance to pruchase food on board. The program, which is affectionally called “T� menu” by the Iberia PR blurb, should rather be caleld “T� pagas” – you pay – because the prices are quite remarkably high. Thus, not surpisingly, sales in our part of the cabin remained pretty low – or would you buy a small baguette with ham, a small bottle of wine and some sweets and pay about 25 percent of your total fare for that? As a little compensation for not showing you guys a picture of a sandwich and a drink now, I’ll treat you with a photo of the menu. Enjoy!  Smile



The remainder of our voyage went by quickly…



…and soon we commenced our final descent into Bilbao, which was despite the sumemr season, surrounded by a remarkably green landscape.

We soared across some commercial development alongside a motorway during the final few seconds of our flight, fighting off some severe turbulence generated by the topographical situation of the airport between a couple of mountain ridges…



… and touched down firmly on BIO’s runway under a murky midday sky. Thrust reverser were deployed and after some heavy braking action, were were able to vacate the runway about 2/3 down the strech of concrete.



Arriving at our airbridge only three minutes after touchdown next to a Vueling A320, the doors were opened within a matter of minutes and the passengers flocked out of the Airbus and intothe terminal building.




Bilbao Sondika Airport (BIO)

Once I had arrived on landside, I proceeded straight back to the departure level, walked towards one of Spanair’s check-in machines and entered my booking reference number. Would it work this time? I had reserved my seat a day before on http://www.spanair.com, but after my experience with the quirky Iberia technology I was starting to become a little sceptical about the merits of such technology. But lo and behold! It really worked this time, and the machine printed out my boarding pass with the desired seat 9E.

I had about four hours to spare until my departure nback to Barcelone, which unfortunately was too short to take the bus downtown, so instead I explored the terminal building. The structure is quite different from your standard, run-off-the-mill concrete or steel-and-glass building, sicne it was designed by the famous Basque architect Santiago Calatrava. Seen from above, the main terminal is shaped like a dove, with the airside halls form the long, stretched-out wings and the landside part forming the tail of “La paloma”, or “the dove”, as Bilbao’s citizens call the building.

While there are a few logistical inefficiencies coupled with this design – after all, being an airport planer myself, I tend to analyze airports, which are new to me, very thoroughly. The looks and atmosphere inside…



…and outside of the building breath an air of elegance and uniqueness.



After snapping a few pictures of the terminal from every legally accessible position, I went back inside, passed through the security checkpoint and walked through the long and airy departure hall, which was fairly devoid of any people during the early afternoon lull.



Being my curious self, I strolled down the hall to our gate in order to find out if our 717 would already be there – and almost got a heart attack!!! Connected snuggily to the jetway was a Spanair aircraft, but not the beautiful 717, object of my desire and reason for an investment of about 150 Euro for such a nonsense trip… instead, an A321 was waiting for passengers at this location.



ARRGHH!!! Did Spanair change the equipment at the very last minute to treat us with another generic Airbus!?! Fortunately, the story was a little different, as the monitor at the gate showed the destination of the A321 to be Arrecife/ Lanzarote (ACE) instead of BCN, and a departure of the Airbus about one hour before our flight.

Relieved, I spend the next hour or so, sitting on one of the unusual looking concrete benches at the very southern tip of the terminal, watching the tranquil traffic outside. To give you an impression of the traffic at BIO, there was a Lufthansa 737-530 heading back to FRA…



… an EasyJet flying to Stansted after a brief turnaround plus a few Air Europa 737-800’s flying to MAD and Las Palmas/ Gran Canaria (LPA).



As little highlights, the WDL Bae-146, which is currently flying on behalf of Iberia Regional/ Air Nostrum arrived from AGP and parked on the commuter flights apron adjacent to my window…



… and while I was walking towards my boarding gate about 45 minutes before scheduled off-block time, I even managed to get a glimpse of an Iberworld Airbus A330-300, probably the largest aircraft visiting the airport, arriving from an unknown destination.



The big question remained, however. Would there be a 717 on our flight or would we get another Airbus (nooo…!) or MD-80 (acceptable, but still a pity)? Waiting at the empty gate –the A321 bound for Arrecife had left a few minutes before – I saw a small white dot arriving across the mountains. The dot grew bigger, wings became visible, then a T-tail was discernible and a Spanair 717 touched down on the runway in front of us, decelerating quickly and pulling of the runway…



…and towards our gate. A happy ending after all –I would be flying with EC-HUZ, a B717-23S originally destined for Heartland Airlines, but then being delivered to Spanair’s regional subsidiary AeBal instead. The plane is called after the town of “Valldemossa”, on the island of Spanair’s homebase and company seat Mallorca.



Having watched the proverbial quick turnaround for a few minutes, it was soon time to walk downstairs to the gate…



… and board the aircraft.


The flight (BIO-BCN)

Bilbao Sondika (BIO) - Barcelona El Prat (BCN)
Flight number: JK 6519
Scheduled block time: 1440h – 1540h
Off-block: 1440h
Take-off: 1446h (RWY 30)
Touch-down: 1536h (RWY 25L)
On-block: 1555h

Boeing 717-23S
EC-HUZ “Valldemossa”
c/n 55066/5054
delivered: May 15, 2001

Seat 9E (Economy Class)


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I entered the cabin, greeted the two friendly and young female flight attendants standign at the door and walked towards my seat. The cabin filled up very quickly until almost every seat was taken – another full flight during a usually unattractive time of the day – the lower average fare on this flight probably helped stimulating some demand for such a trip.

While our aircraft was pushed back and commenced its taxying towards the threshold, I took a look around the cabin. Although the 717 is definietyl smaller in diameter than the 737 or A32X with only five-abreast seating, the clever design of the overhead bins and indirect lighting stuill produced the illusion of a much bigger cabin size than actually experienced. Also, the seats were highly comfortable and held in an elegant blue upholstery (sorry that the following picture can not really attest this impression, as I was unable to take a picture from the aisle due to the very full flight).



The best was yet to come – once we had turned onto the active runway (RWY 30), thrust increased in order to push our Boing forward and up into the skies. The thrust was hardly audible at all! Granted, I was sitting at the cenetr of the cabin far away from the engines, but even compared to the Fokker 70/100, this was one heck of a quiet bird.



After lifting off, we continued our climb straight towards the Atlantic Coast…



… where we initiated a steep right hand turn back towards the inland, offering a scenic overview of downtown Bilbao in the process.

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The rest of our flight went by quickly and without any disruptions. While the front few rows of Business Class received a quick beverage and snack service, steerage class remained unfed and unwatered. Unlike its biggest rival Iberia, Spanair does not offer pay-on-board products on domestic flights, which is probably a good idea judging from the limited appeal of IB’s overpriced “T� menu” product on comparable stage lenghts.

Having travelled across the Iberian peninsula for about half an hour at a crusing speed and –altitude comparable to our outbound leg, we initiated our final descent about 15 minutes from landing, passed across the Mediterranean coastline again in order to line up with BCN’s main runways (25L or 25R)…



The last few minutes offered some spectacular views across the Barcelona downtown and harbor quarters…



... and a birds-eye view on some forms of competing modes of transportation. Big grin



We touched down on BCN’s new parallel runway 25L, which is located adjacent to the Mediterranean coastline right on time, and with only little use of thrust reversers, our Boeing vacated the runway soon after making contact with terra firma.

From here, a lengthy pilgrimage to our parking position commenced – it actually took us twenty (!) minutes from touch down to on-block, because we had to taxy back all the way towards the threshold of parallel runway (25R), then again turn back towards the other direction, pass the terminals, before finally getting to our parking position on the very far edge of the western apron.

Thankfully, I wasn’t in a hurry and did not have any other flight to catch within the next few hours, so I could just relax and enjoy the views of the activity outside.

The eastern apron was “Iberia country” with a plethora of Airbusses being prepared for the next wave of departures…



… a few regional aircraft from Iberia’s partner Air Nostrum also being among the flock…



.. while the eastern apron was curiously dominated not by Iberia Airbusses, but by “Mad Dogs” from Iberia and Spanair. No prize for guessing, which side was my favorite! Big grin



Eventually the engine noise subsided and parking brakes indicated that we had finally reached our stand. Leaving the aircraft and riding the bus to the terminal took a few more minutes, before I arrived back at the landside and made my way to downtown Barcelona, where I had planned to go shopping for Spanish food, which is hard to get in Germany, before my flight back to DUS in the evening.


Conclusion

Both Iberia and Spanair offer a decent product on domestic flights without any “bells and whistles” when it comes to cabin service. However, the low fares available on these flights nowadays are a perfect compensation for such shortcomings. After all, domestic flying within Spain is limited to a maximum flight time of about 1:15h (excluding trips from the mainland to the Canary Islands), so there is hardly a need for a snack, meal or beverage service anyway.

Iberia is still “on probation” with me after some nasty events a few years ago, but again the carrier has fully met my service expectations, offering a reliable and punctual flight and attentive and professional cabin service. The “T� menu” concept however needs to be readressed, since outrageous prices and the resulting lack of demand renders the program pretty useless IMO.

Spanair is showing a lot positive traits from the service philosophy of its major stakeholder Scandinavian Airlines, ranging from the elegant and fresh design of the cabin interior and uniforms to clean cabins and reliable ground and air operations. In direct comparison with Iberia, I would rate their product to be still superior to the Spanish national carrier r – but Iberia is definitely on the right path and keeps improving every time I am flying with them.

Thanks for reading my report – questions, comments, or criticism is always appreciated.  Smile


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User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3861 times:

Suberb report Jens with some excellent photos! The B717 seems like an fantastic aircraft to fly on. Would also like to visit the Basque region of Spain someday.

Regards
Ryanair737


User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3605 times:

Hi Jens,

fantastic report with great pics (once again)!

So you finally got your 717 - an aircraft that is still missing in my "collection" as well. I was hoping to get one of those rare birds on my OA-trip to Greece, but unfortunately I got the 734 twice... Maybe I also have to do a trip to Spain some time!

Interesting to read about service level of the two main Spanish carriers which seems to be quite comparable to other European airlines. However, the fares you paid were really competitive indeed - especially considering you booked one-way legs.

Quoting TriStar500 (Thread starter):
it actually took us twenty (!) minutes from touch down to on-block

Wow - that's impressive! Like that, taxying was nearly as long as the flight itself!

Once again thanks for this report,

Christoph


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3467 times:

Thanks to both of you for your comments. I really appreciate it.  Smile

Christoph, you have written a very important comment IMO. On a domestic flight, competitiveness is not so much defined by cabin service standards, but rather by reliability, punctuality and - price. And this is exactly my gripe with our "beloved" national carrier - while LH ranks fairly good concerning the former to points, the their product is really overpriced and they are or were only able to get away with it due to their reputation.
That's why I hope that LH will one day have as strong competition in Germany as IB does have in Spain with JK and UX competing in many markets.



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User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From France, joined Sep 2003, 5137 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Hi Jens,
interesting and detailed report, as always.
Congratulations to your B717 leg, an aircraft also lost in my bio as well.
I´ve also experienced this long taxi at my last BCN visit in March, a real competition for AMS "polder baan".
I agree with you about your LH opinion, cant believe that they sold nowadays no one ways and lost pax this way.
Regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3158 times:

<@Markus
In order to get the elusive B717, I would really recommend you book a cheap domestic daytrip the next time you spend some vacations in Spain. Judging from your trip reports, you are on the Iberian peninsula fairly often, so there should be plenty of opportunitities.  Smile If you schedule your flights right, a nonsense roundtrip like my BCB-BIO-BCN shouldn't cost you more than 60-80 Euro, which is hardly any money if you consider what you get in return.



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User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2899 posts, RR: 23
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3066 times:

Hi Jens, finally I had the time to read your detailed report, and I enjoyed reading a lot. The BIO pics are interesting, the terminal is much bigger than I expected, and also the Iberworld A330 - wow. Also the IB/WDL BAe146 pic is interesting, I didn't know about this lease.

Quoting TriStar500 (Thread starter):
These screens were not of the “modern” flat LCD type, but rather small TV sets with “thick” backs (I don’t know how to describe this in any other way)

These screens really can't be called "flat screens" Big grin But I bet it was state-of-the-art when the aircraft was fitted with these screens. By the way c/n 241 used to be EC-FIC before it was re-registered to EC-ICS, here's an old-time pic of the aircraft, very nice:

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Congratulations that you finally got your B717, most be a great aircraft to travel on. Now you can concentrate on hunting the A318 Big grin

Thanks for this report, Alex.


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2978 times:

@Alex
Thanks.  Smile For the registration spotter or the one, who is not bothered by taking pictures through glass, BIO offers a lot of opportunities. The view of the apron is facing to the southwest, so you get good lighting at least until the early afternoon, and unlike many other Spanish airports, the windows are not tinted. I'll be flying to BIO again in September (AGP-BIO-AGP on Air Nostrum "Regional Business Class"), but unfortunately not with the WDL BAe-146, which is used on some rotations between AGP and BIO, but with the dreaded CRJ.

If all goes well, I'll be flying on the A318 in about 9 days - and my final AF B735 flight will be in 13 days. Big grin



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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

Hi Jens,

Excellent trip report as usual, congrats! And I'm glad that you got to fly the B717  Smile After all those attempts, you really deserved it  Wink

This comment really interests me:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 3):
On a domestic flight, competitiveness is not so much defined by cabin service standards, but rather by reliability, punctuality and - price. And this is exactly my gripe with our "beloved" national carrier - while LH ranks fairly good concerning the former to points, the their product is really overpriced and they are or were only able to get away with it due to their reputation.
That's why I hope that LH will one day have as strong competition in Germany as IB does have in Spain with JK and UX competing in many markets.

I agree to a certain extent. Service on a short domestic flight isn't important indeed, but reliability is. But: there is a big difference between for example a MAD-BCN domestic flight and a FRA-MUC. When you purchase a 99 EUR LH ticket between FRA and MUC, you have to pay 77 EUR (!!) for the airport taxes. I know that it includes a big fuel surcharge, but it is still much higher than what you have to pay in Spain, as the tax for a domestic return flight between MAD and BCN is only 11 EUR.

I don't mind the fact that I have to pay for food on board of an aircraft, as long as I've bought a cheap ticket. However, it must be annoying indeed for those pax with full fare economy tickets having to pay as well for a coffee. That's why I like AF's solution: a basic service for the passengers with a cheap ticket, a good service for the passengers with full fare economy tickets and a very good service for those buying C-class tickets.

Enjoy your AF B735! They are fantastic aircraft to fly on in my opinion.

Regards
Frederic


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2838 times:

@Frederic
Thank you very much.  Smile I have to agree about the outrageous airport fees and taxes in Central Europe - it seems like politicians and airport authorities alike have identified the airline passenger as the "milking cow" for their spending needs - just like the car owners have been for decades. Taxes in Spain are really low though - and despite this, the airports seem to be in a good condition as is ATC and everything else surrounding commercial aviation. At least this is an indication what the actual costs of the system were if not for the "milking cow" effect in our countries.

I have to agree with you concerning the reliability - certainly another decisive factor also on domestic flights.

Thanks for your wishes - it is hard to believe that the AF B735 will be gone in a few months. I have travelled so many times on the Baby Boeing within Air France's network, and never really appreciated it, because IMO the travel quality on board an Airbus narrowbody is so much better than on a 737 Classic. However, one only appreciates something once it is gone or about to go away.

Talking about AF, when can we expect to read the second part of your "doom and gloom" trip report covering the AF flight to AMS? Or is it already online?



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User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2592 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2798 times:

Nice report - and great to see you eventually got your elusive 717! It was nice to see the IWD A330-300 in BIO too.

User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4393 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Thread starter):
of questionable quality (see below). Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder…

That ART OF QUESTIONABLE quality is nontheless a sculpture from Fernando Botero, and believe, not even with all your life savings you will be able to buy a leg of that fat horse.....

Anyway nice report.



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User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2899 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2708 times:

Interesting fact about the airport fees and taxes in Spain - it's quite a bit different here in Central Europe...

User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2652 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 11):
That ART OF QUESTIONABLE quality is nontheless a sculpture from Fernando Botero, and believe, not even with all your life savings you will be able to buy a leg of that fat horse.....

Thanks for that info. Anyway, I wouldn't spend my life savings on art, whose beauty lies in the eye of the beholder.



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