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Paris By Air France: STR-CDG-STR  
User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 5163 posts, RR: 55
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7770 times:

Paris by AirFrance:STR-CDG-STR


Main reason for this weekend trip to Paris was my sons immediate need to visit Eurodisney before he´s starting his school life in September. The chance for me to try out AirFrance another time.


12.08.2005
STR (Stuttgart) - CDG (Paris-Charles de Gaulle)
AF 1409 operated by AirFrance A319 F-GRHM
Scheduled: 10.10. // 11.30
Actual: 10.20. // 11.25
Gate 310 Seat 12A
Load Factor: 80%
Fare Adult: 152,08 EUR Fare Child: 123,08 EUR


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Delivered to AF 24.05.2000


Once again at the airport by car, to early for a convenient train connection.
Parked at P2. Inside the terminal at 8.30. am. Crossed T0,1,2, heading for T3 where AirFrance handling is done by Stuttgart Ground Services. 2 desks staffed, one biz, one eco. Roundabout 10 pax in front and some 7-8 minutes to wait. A couple with 4 children and lots of bags had some trouble at the Biz check in, I heard that they´re rebooked from BA about the LHR chaos the day before and they are not really lucky about the situation. 20000 pax at LHR and they are not amused about a unconvenient connection, unbelievable.
A young female checked us in, not unfriendly but a bit annoyed. 3 pax, 2 bags, all the details inclusive Flying Blue in the system. Only seconds later I hold our boarding passes to CDG in my hands.
We crossed security, strict as always and gone directly to the gate area, not far from our assigned gate 310.
Interesting was a MD90 from NordicLeisure operating to PMI.
Our plane from CDG arrived ontime and parked at the finger gate.
F- GRHM this time, leisure flight No. 14 on the A319 and the first on this plane.
I followed the activities and had a short look to the next gate, where a young male operated the boarding procedure of the AY/Finncom flight to Helsinki.
It was fellow A.Net member Ndebele. I waited till he finished his work and later we had a nice short chat about our passion, his work today and my upcoming trip to Paris.
Hi Alex, hope you are well.
Boarding started early at 09.40 without an announcement about groups or rows and goes quick forward.
A friendly middle aged male welcomed us at the front door, total 3 male and one female FA on the plane.
All together friendly. The plane looks a bit oldfashioned with its fabric blue seats but was clean and in good conditions. IMO the seats were
more uncomfortabel than the leather seats on HLX or Germanwings the last time.
Biz was good loaded with typical biz travellers, eco also with the typical friday crowd, weekend travellers like my party, CDG connectors and some french biz people on the way back home.
A friendly welcome from the flightdeck till boarding was completed with flight details, like flight-time, wheather and route. Pushback at short after 10 am, taxi in western direction alongside T 1 and then down the whole apron and the runway for a runway 25 departure in western direction.
The classic safety procedure during taxi without screens in french and english.
One aircraft in front (Germanwings A319) one arrival (LH B733) and a powerful departure follows.
The seat-belt sign goes off quick and we reached our cruising altitude roundabout 10 minutes after departure. Flight route: STR/North of SXB(Strasbourg)/CDG. Flight time 1 hour.
Some shakers with the seat belt sign on as we crossed the rhine valley, earlier and later a calm flight.
Service: French cookies, well known from other reports and one round with free drinks, wine or beer inclusive.
Approach to CDG runway 26L started early, 20 minutes ahead of arrival, some heavy clouds there but
no more shakers and a soft touchdown , normal brakes, no thrust reversers.



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A long taxi follows,
we parked outside opposite T2D. Deboarding by one of these famous big escalator busses and arrival
at T2. Some 10 minutes to wait for the bags with a bit of confusion around the other pax, they dont know if its the right baggage area, but it was clearly announced on the screen,
where is the problem?.

All the times I was there, T2D was full of people, also this time. We walked in direction T2E, the RER train station is in the middle between T2D and T2E, down the stairs and welcome in Paris, the ticket machines accept only coins today. A huge long queue in front off the 5 staffed desks for RER tickets,
30 minutes to wait and then a quick run to Denfert-Rochereau station to connect to the subway,another change at Trocadero and at the hotel at 2 pm.
I booked the Radisson SAS Boulogne Paris by Ltur online and payed 305.-- EUROs, 2 nights BB, not cheap,
but Paris is expensive and the hotel is newly opened in early July this year, well designed and good located not to far from the city-center A side note: Breakfast per day per person booked in the hotel = 22.-- EUR x 2 nights x 3 pax = 132.-- EUR!. A clear sign for todays hotel policy, sell the room cheaper without breakfast and push the breakfast fare.
We had enjoyable 3 days there.




14.08.2005
CDG (Paris-Charles de Gaulle) - STR (Stuttgart)
AF 2508 operated by AirFrance Airbus A320 F-GKXI
Scheduled: 19.05 // 20.25
Actual: 19.15 // 20.20
Gate: D62 Seat: 27A
Load Factor: near 100 %




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Delivered to AirFrance: 19.03.2003


We leave the hotel at short after 3 pm, connecting with the subway to the RER station, no problems during the subway ride. At RER Denfert-Rochereau the screens showed the next train to CDG ontime
5 minutes later and the next delayed. RER arrived, we settled down, the doors remained open, nothings going on. A announcement in french followed: There is a bomb threat at a station on route to CDG, all pax can leave the train now for other travel opinions, this train terminates in Luxemburg station.
What to do now, I read my book and the train departs. Most of the pax leave at the station.
A kind of a non-real situation, you drive in the dark tunnel under paris with only some people around to a train station nearby a bomb threat only weeks after the London bombings.
Another announcement only in french: Some problems, this train stops next at Gare du Nord.
The train stops in the dark tunnel, then moves forward, crosses 2 stations without people and as I read my book further I realized that we had passed the closed stations.
Another announcement: Charles de Gaulle airport.Nothing more. What does it mean?. The train departed, we crossed the next 2 stations quick without a stop and at the end the train goes without another stop direct to CDG, IMO they had all the trains in the city after the closing and no material at CDG, so we had a very quick ride to CDG.
CDG arrival at 4.45 pm, changed to T2D, another problem there, all the people crowded in one part, half of the terminal closed by police, another bomb threat, who knows.
T2D is really undersized for this masses of people flying there all day round.
The screens showed check in at counter 11 for STR, 2 agents and some pax there, check in for MUC announced. I asked the very friendly middle-aged female for STR and she picked my tix, no problem,she said, we wait for the last MUC pax but I start STR for you now, no time to wait, very friendly beneath the situation around.
Crossed security, stairs down to the bus gates for the smaller planes, IMO the best place with good views to the action outside and not to much travellers.
I checked for a gate change at 6.15 pm, gate was ok and a bus parked with our flight number and destinantion down the stairs. Back at the gate with my party at 06.30 pm and boarding started at 06.35,
half an hour ahead of the planned departure time.
Some 5 minutes to wait in the bus, we´re driving along the parking positions ahead of T2D and E, a A320 was planned, some A320s parked there, we travelled along till the end, where to go know?
The driver stopped, called by phone, a female agent entered the bus, turnaround and the whole row down again in the other direction, another turnaround and stopped at the second parked plane.
I had a nice chat with a french busnines lady during our bus cruise and she knows about 2 bomb threads today, not the best day for travel around Paris.
F- GKXI , a new plane for me and leisure flight No.21 on the A320.
Welcomed by a friendly older female at the front door, same interior like on the A319, the fabric blue sigma aeroseats, very clean plane, in real good conditions.
A welcome from the flightdeck during all the pax boarded, Mr. Henry Leconte, this time as pilot flying, the plane filled up. I expected a good load, the AF booking system stated mid last week a fare near 700.-- EUROs, eco fully booked, only biz available.
Pushed back and taxi alongside the whole T2 against the broken down part of the new Terminal.
What about the traffic there: Countless widebodies, action all around.
No screens around, the classic safety demonstration during taxi in french, english and german.
We´re number 2 for departure from 26R after a AF/Cityjet BAE146 and had to wait for a AirSeychelles B767 on short finals to 26L.
A long take off run, departure with a left turn over the city of Paris, the Eiffel tower clearly visible.
Again some shakers mid flight, later a calm flight. The same route like on Friday backwards.
Service: A sandwich and a free round of drinks, alcoholics inclusive. 4 FAs on board, 3 male, 1 female
all friendly.
Approach to STR started 20 minutes ahead of arrival, were flown low south along the airport, a left turn and final approach to runway 25.
A hard touchdown with some thunderstorm clouds in front, the plane shaked around, IMO were not with both main gears on the ground at the same time. No thrust reversers, normal brakes, leave the active quick and saw a SkyAirlines of Turkey B737 rotating over us.
A finger gate this time, the plane had the night stop in STR.
Said goodbye to the friendly FA´s. 5 Minutes to wait for the bags and on the way back home with some interesting Paris impressions. IMO one of the most exciting cities in good old Europe.

Conclusion: Not the cheapest fare, but acceptable for a classic airline without LoCo comparison on this route. Ontime flights, friendly people in the planes and on the ground.Im impressed about their planning, the announced types of planes from booking early April in service.
No problem for me to fly AF again till know.

Comments and critics always welcome,
Markus (FLIEGER67)


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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7598 times:

Nice report! I like your style of integrating details into a fluent and cohersive text!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
IMO one of the most exciting cities in good old Europe.

I fully agree, old Europe rocks! 


By the way, I also took AF quite a number of times, short and longhaul. I would be interested in your opinion against mine:

How do you benchmark their service against LH? Im my eyes, they are much better both on short and long haul in the overall product (I can only speak for Y). I booked my mother this time on AF358 (! Luckily on 26 July, one week b4 the incident) - even she was amazed and said she would rather take them, as they are better than AC and much better than LH: these are her words - it was her 1st AF Trip. (Only obstacle is this transfer lousy CDG airport, but it is OK if you have time.. FRA is a dream in that regard)

Thanks! Its nice to have such reports in thus wonderful forum, in particular by people who know well how to write attentively, as you did

Edit: One remark towards AFs cabin staff attitude. Maybe someone has made the same observation, or maybe someone wants to reject my observation:

First, I think AF has wonderful cabin staff. I have realized though that the English of SOME them is often not fluent (really, no offense intended - I LOVE it when French people speak English). But it seems that they are well aware of that and want to make up for this being extra friendly, polite, patient and attentive.. did someone remark the same? Then, since I speak french fluently, I have realized that if you first speak English with them and then reveal your French proficiency, then they become even friendlier, make jokes etc... - did someone realize the same, or do you think my observations are wrong and only on a case basis? I love the AF Cabin Crew (and lave tots of respect for them, latest since the AF358 incident, where their engagement was crucial that no one died!)

[Edited 2005-08-18 07:12:56]

User currently offlineJumboForever From Japan, joined Jul 2005, 200 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7497 times:

Guten Tag FLIEGER67

Very good report mate.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
welcome in Paris, the ticket machines accept only coins today. A huge long queue in front off the 5 staffed desks for RER tickets,

Welcome to France!
I really can't understand how ADP is managed. However you had some luck in some way. You could have arrived on LH at the well know T1. The RER station is only accessible using a shuttle bus, the station is old and dirty with at the best 2 staffed desks!

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
train departed, we crossed the next 2 stations quick without a stop and at the end the train goes without another stop direct to CDG

Actually some trains are scheduled to be non-stop from Gare du Nord to CDG (with eventually one stop at the exhibition center just before CDG). The RER going to CDG is going through the northern suburb of Paris, which is not really known as being the most welcoming area around. Lots of pickpockets are also present so some trains were scheduled non-stop to CDG to avoid passengers some troubles.

If I might add something, I think it's much better to take the 'Car Air France', when they are not on strike of course. They are not that much expensive compared to the RER and much more comfortable.

Anyway I'm happy you enjoyed your stay in the city of light. I hope your son's head is full of unforgettable memories,

Regards,

JumboForever


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7419 times:

Hi Markus!
Your very good trip report was of special interest to me, because I used to be a frequent traveller on AF, although this has toned down a bit in the recent years with cheaper options coming up for travels around Europe. I have to agree with your assessment regarding this carrier - their cabin service is certainly way above Lufthansa's standard (both on long- and on shorthaul IMO), but they still have some deficiencies on the ground, especially in CDG. I do not know, how much the incompetent management of Aéroports de Paris is contributing to this malaise, but it makes the travel chain feel less smooth than e.g. Lufthansa, who have really mastered seamless travelling (no excuse for their highly inferior cabin service though).

How many miles did you get on your Flying Blue account for this trip? I am asking, because I could not believe my eyes when I saw the account summary after my latest return trip on AF to CDG - unlike the 1000 miles per segment I used to get during the times of Frequence Plus, this time I was awarded a measly 187 miles per segment!!!

Sorry, but if this is the way the program is becoming, I am no longer willing to pay a little extra for a commodity like an intra-European flight on AF. If they want to shoot their own feet by alienating long-time customers (I have accrued a mileage in excess of 100.000 with Skyteam during the last years), fine by me.

Lufthansa has already lost my business after the "amelioration" of "Miles and Less", and Skyteam is very close to experience the same - well if they don't want my annual travel budget for airline tickets, which is easily in the four digit Euro sum, I am sure other carriers are happy to provide a value-priced service for me. Big grin



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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7404 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 3):
Lufthansa has already lost my business after the "amelioration" of "Miles and Less", and Skyteam is very close to experience the same

I agree.. I am about to sign up for AI / IC Flying Returns now.. great stuff in the old style Big grin


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7379 times:

Hi Markus,

Excellent report as usual, thanks for posting!

Looking at the times you flew and the service you got, you received the standard Air France service on short EU flights (i.e. a sandwich during meal times and biscuits/crackers/... during non-meal times).

For those short EU flights, my two priorities are 1) on-time performance and 2) reliability of the airline. It seems like AF did an excellent job in regards to those two points, as both of your flights arrived early and the crews/... were outstanding!

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 3):
Lufthansa has already lost my business after the "amelioration" of "Miles and Less", and Skyteam is very close to experience the same

Hi Jens,

Because I wanted to know more about both frequent flier programs (purely out of interest), I subscribed to both Miles and More, and Flying Blue. After a few flights on very cheap tickets with BMI, and a LH return to MUC, I collected already more than 5 000 miles!

LH Miles and More is actually a fantastic (!!) frequent flier program for me as a Belgian, as we don't get those T-class fares over here. Example: a LH promotion some time ago: MAD for 200 EUR via FRA or MUC. LH would have credited me 3 000 miles for this trip!

Flying Blue is not very interesting (at least for me), because you don't get a lot of miles when flying on the cheapest KL or AF booking class. They give full mileage for Alitalia flights however.

A question (sorry to go off topic, Markus): it is stated in the Flying Blue rules, that you can claim frequent flier miles for all flights you've taken 3 months before your subscription. I subscribed a week ago, immediately e-mailed AF, but haven't received a reply yet (not really an example of great customer service).

Lufthansa already sent me a 'real' M&M card, but I'll also have to claim the miles of 2 BD flights I took one month ago.

Regards
Frederic


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 5163 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7360 times:

Hi and first of all, thanx for your kind words.

Mrniji:
I fly quite often on LH domestic and had no "real" problems till now.
Delays and cancelled flights happened to all airlines, they managed it, ok.
At most of times the people were professional, thats all, not more.
When I fly AF, they´re also professional but with a much more personal touch.
LH is better organized on the ground, FRA and especially MUC IMO, but far away from the personal AF touch all around.
Your right, on services to germany with native french speakers in german or english its sometimes funny, I remind a "total kaputt", complete broken plane on a CDG-STR leg with a delay during a tech aircraft change.
They want to do their best, IMO till now. And with some french words only it will be still friendlier.

JumboForever:
As I saw the queues at the train desks last Sunday, I know we´re lucky at Friday, much longer this time.
The train from CDG to the city stopped at all stations, so I expected the same return, yes and I saw the surroundings, not the best looking at all.
I´ve ride the Air France coaches during my last visit, not bad but this time the RER ride to Eurodisney/Marne La Vallee is also included in the Paris Visite ticket and that was much cheaper than coach and subway and RER.
We enjoyed our stay in Paris once again and if you asked my son..., amazing!

Jens:
You know, I agree with you about LH and AF and also about the airport problems there.
Yes, the good old Frequence Plus times.
I´am not that really surprised as I view my Frequence Plus statement seconds ago, believe it or not 187 miles per segment. I take the time to read all the details during the launch of Flying Blue, connecting my AF and KLM accounts gives me a good start. Like LH they pay the miles according to the booking class from 0 miles for special fares to 150 % for full payed tix and cancelled the 1000 miles credit for short connecting trips like STR or DUS.
Much more details to check during the next bookings.
On www.reise-preise.de is a new mileage calculator available.
IMO BA tix to count on Asia Miles is one possible result for me.
Once again I agree with you, If they dont want our money, maybe others want it!

Mrniji:
Look to AsiaMiles or the US classic airliners!

Frederic:
I read your report about your last AF experience, a small compensation for the Non-MD11 flight.
The LH Miles and Mores rules are much better for you as a belgian citizen than for us germans, they had also sometimes better connecting fares from the EU than from germany.
Are you sure about AZ, its not stated in the rules, but you had some flights
short ago, I know, it must be true.
I´ve booked 4 legs on Czech Air next month and dont know till now the effect on Flying Blue about the OK fare rules, I will tell it after the trip.
I dont know how long they count the miles back, but my experiences in this case are not the best.
I want to count the miles from my Scandinavian trip partly on AY and on LX.
LX replied not possible but count the miles for one flight on the statement today and AY counted 3 flights but another than the LX counted and lost the forth. No reply till now.
BD is also on the list for next week, I will see what they count for my ultra-cheap (13.--GBP) fare from LHR to GLA.

Best regards and thanx again,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7330 times:

Great report Markus, I enjoyed reading and I am glad you liked AF.

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 3):
I am asking, because I could not believe my eyes when I saw the account summary after my latest return trip on AF to CDG - unlike the 1000 miles per segment I used to get during the times of Frequence Plus, this time I was awarded a measly 187 miles per segment!!!

Then you were booked in N class. N class tickets earn 25% of the actualy flown miles, G and U class tickets earn 50% of the actual flown miles, and all other booking classes get 100% in Tempo, 200% in Tempo Challenge and in L'Espace Affaires respectively, and a minimum of 750 miles.

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 3):
Sorry, but if this is the way the program is becoming, I am no longer willing to pay a little extra for a commodity like an intra-European flight on AF. If they want to shoot their own feet by alienating long-time customers (I have accrued a mileage in excess of 100.000 with Skyteam during the last years), fine by me.

I agree and I will look for an alternative Skyteam FFP in the next few days. I don't complain about the price/performance ratio because I earned 750 miles + elite bonus each way on a 133 EUR ticket (and I was even upgraded on one flight), but I find it extremly annoying that you have to look closely in which booking class you are actually booked when you are flying in Eco. Well, maybe I will even reactivate my old Delta SkyMiles account because it seems that the American FFP's are much more generous.

Quoting Sabena 690 (Reply 5):
LH Miles and More is actually a fantastic (!!) frequent flier program for me as a Belgian, as we don't get those T-class fares over here.

That's a real advantage.

Quoting Sabena 690 (Reply 5):
(not really an example of great customer service).

Give them a little bit time, they just merged Frequences Plus and Flying Dutchman, not really a wonder that not everything works perfect in the first few weeks. I must say that they did a fantastic job so far, my new card arrived quickly and although I entered my Frequences Plus account number when I booked my last AF flight, my boarding pass already showed "FB Silver AF[membership number]" and the miles were credited a few days later.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 6):
Look to AsiaMiles or the US classic airliners!

An even better Oneworld FFP is AAdvantage.

Patrick

[Edited 2005-08-19 23:25:07]

User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7257 times:

Hi Markus,

great report - very detailled and with lots of additional information - a pleasure to read as always!  bigthumbsup 

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Thread starter):
The screens showed check in at counter 11 for STR

Do they really have designated check-in counters for each flight at CDG? Other airlines like LH or BA usually have lots of counters for ALL their flights, so you can check in at any counter you want.

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 3):
Lufthansa has already lost my business after the "amelioration" of "Miles and Less",



Quoting Sabena 690 (Reply 5):
LH Miles and More is actually a fantastic (!!) frequent flier program for me as a Belgian, as we don't get those T-class fares over here. Example: a LH promotion some time ago: MAD for 200 EUR via FRA or MUC. LH would have credited me 3 000 miles for this trip!



Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 6):
The LH Miles and Mores rules are much better for you as a belgian citizen than for us germans, they had also sometimes better connecting fares from the EU than from germany.

I think that most airlines offer better conditions to "non-residents" than to local passengers (at least concerning ticket prices) as foreign passengers usually have an additional stop. For example, many Germans will tend to fly LH because they offer the best direct connections to / from Germany, but if they want to attract people from other countries, they have to make a good offer. That's why many mainline carriers sell their tickets much cheaper in foreign countries than in their home countries. Look at the very cheap KLM or Swiss-fares in Germany - you will hardly find these prices if you book in the Netherlands respective Switzerland.

Christoph


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 5163 posts, RR: 55
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7241 times:

Hi again,

Patrick,
thanx for your reply and your detailed informations about AF´s booking classes.
A lot of things to think about during my next bookings and the decision about the programs.
Both of my FP-cards (ex AF and ex KLM) arrived early after the announcement,
but they need a mailed copy, 2 e-mails and a phone call to connect both accounts in a new one, now it works, shows number and status like yours and count quick.

Christoph,
thanx for your reply.
Thats the real check-in situation at CDG T2, no check in open for all flights,
announced counters for every separate flight.
Your right about the fare differences, I live not to far from the swiss border and thought about to fly from ZRH on LH but the best announcements are only available for swiss residents.

Best regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineJouy31 From France, joined May 2003, 447 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7240 times:

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 9):
Christoph,
thanx for your reply.
Thats the real check-in situation at CDG T2, no check in open for all flights,
announced counters for every separate flight.



Quoting Contact Air (Reply 8):
Do they really have designated check-in counters for each flight at CDG? Other airlines like LH or BA usually have lots of counters for ALL their flights, so you can check in at any counter you want

Actually, this varies according to various CDG halls.

This is definitely the case in 2B and in 2D, but not in 2F, where flights are grouped by geographical areas, not in 2E where you can check at any counter, depending on your class of service, nor in 2C, where the grouping is also by geographical areas. It's been a long time since I last checked in at 2A, and things have probably changed since then.


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 5163 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7219 times:

Hi Jouy31,
thanx for your reply and this further informations about the check-in system around the CDG T2.
Always interesting what I remind from my trip and what the local insiders
explained then.
Regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7097 times:

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 6):
On www.reise-preise.de is a new mileage calculator available.

I went to check out this website, but didn't find the mileage calculator. Where exactly is it please?

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 6):
Are you sure about AZ, its not stated in the rules, but you had some flights
short ago, I know, it must be true.

From the FAQ:

28. I have just enrolled. Can I credit a flight taken 2 weeks ago?
Yes, retroactive credit is allowed if flights have been taken not more than 3 months before enrolment.

Send us an e-mail (<---- sending an e-mail is what I did, but no reply yet after 10 days)

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 6):
I´ve booked 4 legs on Czech Air next month and dont know till now the effect on Flying Blue about the OK fare rules, I will tell it after the trip.

There are no restrictions for CSA, you'll get a minimum of 750 miles.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 6):
BD is also on the list for next week, I will see what they count for my ultra-cheap (13.--GBP) fare from LHR to GLA

125 miles on LH M&M for BMI T-Class

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):
I will look for an alternative Skyteam FFP in the next few days. I

Out of curiosity: have you done this search already? Which FFP came out as the best choice for people flying on cheap tickets?

Another question: where on the LH website can I claim missing miles?

Regards
Frederic


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7080 times:

Quoting Sabena 690 (Reply 12):
Out of curiosity: have you done this search already? Which FFP came out as the best choice for people flying on cheap tickets?

I was too lazy over the weekend to do a research. I will look at Flyertalk later tonight, if I don't find information there, I have to read all the terms and conditions of the Skyteam FFPs.  cry 

Quoting Sabena 690 (Reply 12):
Another question: where on the LH website can I claim missing miles?

Here is what I found on the Lufthansa website for Belgium:

Quote:
Request mileage credit

Are you missing some miles that you have earned on your mileage account?

Mileage that you have earned is generally credited automatically to your account provided that you have stated your Miles & More number when utilizing the respective service.

Very helpful.

You should call the Lufthansa hotline to ask them where to claim missing miles. I wish you luck, hopefully you will get a call center agent who is speaking your language, or at least, clear English.

Patrick


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 5163 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7068 times:

Once again, thanx for this informative replys.

Frederic:
-This information was from the last printed issue of Reise-und-Preise,July 05.
I searched the web-site and found the information that the calculator was included in the fare-search-engine operated by Infosys. They published the fare-rules there but where are the effects to the mileage-accounts?.
Nevertheless its the best printed source for me about FFPs while they
checked all the major programs, for example Flying Blue in their last issue. I will send a mail and ask about it.

-They said also that most of the partner airlines pay full miles by now.

-I had also not the best experiences with credit lost miles. AY and LX dont answered by now about my 2 FFP programs problem during my trip to Scandinavia from late June.

-Hope so in the case of CSA, good for my status.

-BD, your sure. The E-Mail from Monday told me: You travel on BDs tiny fare,
no mileage credit from this fare. I answer it in my report.

- The german Miles-and-More website tool. Claim missing miles, works well if your travelled on an e-ticket, no problems 2 times this and last year about count lost miles.

Patrick:
If you find a good alternative around the SkyTeam Airlines, think about me and send me a msg.

Regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7052 times:

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 14):
If you find a good alternative around the SkyTeam Airlines, think about me and send me a msg.

Sure, I will send you an eMail or message via the A.net instant messenger. But as I wrote above, it may took a bit time because I am simply too lazy to read the terms and conditions of all Skyteam FFPs.  Wink

Patrick


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 42
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 7031 times:

I'd highly appreciate to hear about your findings, too, Patrick.  Smile I was getting ever closer to my free round-the-world ticket, but with the ridiculous new regulations, it seems like the last 20k or so miles are getting hard to come by.


Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 7026 times:

Patrick, how about you open a thread? I might redeem my AF Mileage soon and dump the membership, as I am doing with my LH M&M one soon

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6995 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 16):
but with the ridiculous new regulations, it seems like the last 20k or so miles are getting hard to come by.

I agree, the miles are harder and harder to get lately, especially with the max. 750 miles rule in Eco, you are losing 1000 miles in 4 flights compared to the old rules.

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 16):
Patrick, how about you open a thread?

I think I will open a thread in the Polls Forum with the title "Best Skyteam FFP" or something like that, then everyone can add information. Hopefully I have a bit time to research on Sunday.

Patrick


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6979 times:

Quoting TriStar500 (Reply 16):
it seems like the last 20k or so miles are getting hard to come by.

Do you need these 20.000 miles as soon as possible? I got the FlyingBlue newsletter by regular mail today and found a very interesting offer while reading it a few minutes ago:

When you fly until September 30 on the nonstop flight from CDG to DTW, you will get additional 5.000 bonus miles in Eco and even 10.000 bonus miles in Biz. Even better, when you connect in DTW to a NW flight to a destination anywhere in the USA, you get (of course) the miles for the flight and additional 2.000 bonus miles.

I am seriously thinking about a 3 day mileage run to LAX or another West Coast destination when I get a good fare.

In Business Class (AF) and domestic First Class (NW) would that mean for me for example:

HAM-CDG: 2.250 miles incl. 50% elite bonus
CDG-DTW: 7.924 miles incl. 50% elite bonus & 50% Biz Class bonus
DTW-LAX: 3.959 miles incl. 50% elite bonus & 50% First Class bonus
LAX-DTW: 3.959 miles incl. 50% elite bonus & 50% First Class bonus
DTW-CDG: 7.924 miles incl. 50% elite bonus & 50% Biz Class bonus
CDG-HAM: 2.250 miles incl. 50% elite bonus

+ 10.000 bonus miles for CDG-DTW-CDG
+ 2.000 bonus miles for DTW-LAX-DTW
------------------------------------------------------------------
40.266 miles (28.266 status and 12.000 bonus miles)
+ maybe 1.500 miles for 3 hotel nights (depends on the hotel chain I stay)

Combined with my earlier flights on CO in April would my Flying Blue silver elite status already be safe for the next year and I would earn 12.000 additional bonus miles.

I highly doubt that I will get an acceptable Biz Class fare for such a flight but I will consult several booking engines right now.

Patrick


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6951 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 19):
I highly doubt that I will get an acceptable Biz Class fare for such a flight but I will consult several booking engines right now.

I have to correct myself:

YES! YES! YES!         


A couple of hours in front of the booking engines of several airlines and online travel agencies (with short breaks) were definitely worth it!

I tired a gazillion dates, a gazillion airline combinations (but only the CDG-DTW worked), a gazillion routings (but only the (DTW)-ATL-CDG worked with a REAL First Class flight in between) and a gazillion hotel reservations (but only one gives me over 1.000 miles), furthermore I ried a gazillion ways to get an upgrade to First from Biz on ATL-CDG with my FlyingBlue miles. I got it finally!   

What a low-life am I actually to do all this till 4:36 AM?    

Patrick

[Edited 2005-08-26 04:51:17]

User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6915 times:

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 20):
What a low-life am I actually to do all this till 4:36 AM?

Probably because you are full of booze and already hyperventilating on your Marlboro Lights?  bigthumbsup  - so how much is that journey?? Looks interesting, though I have no clue what you are talking about Big grin


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6902 times:

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 21):
Probably because you are full of booze and already hyperventilating on your Marlboro Lights?

Right, I smoked a lot while finding all these flights and fares, actually I was close to give up.

I just got a call and was informed that my little detour via ATL is not possible, I must be on a CDG-DTW return flight to get these 10.000 bonus miles. Too bad, I was really looking forward to fly in intercontinental First Class for the first time in my life.  Sad Now my itinerary is HAM-CDG-DTW-LAX and LAX-DTW-CDG-HAM on the next day, it even got a bit cheaper because I don't need the DTW-ATL flight.

Now I need a hotel.

Patrick


User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 5163 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

Hi Patrick,
congrats, I´am waiting for your report about this high interesting trip, hope you take your time for it.
Your posts gives me a good feeling about search, search and search and we are able to find good fares with "good" miles.
I´ve searched since 2 months now for a Hongkong trip, but till Wednesday
nothing was really ok, not the best fare, time, miles and so on.
Now it is done: CX nonstop FRA-HKG-FRA in early November for as cheap as 479.-- Euros, only some Euros more expensive than TK as the cheapest opinion all around and with a double mile promotion from Asia Miles = roundabout 23.000 miles for this trip.
Best regards,
Markus (FLIEGER67)



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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6856 times:

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 23):
Your posts gives me a good feeling about search, search and search and we are able to find good fares with "good" miles.

You are correct, the more you search, the better fares you will find.

Quoting FLIEGER67 (Reply 23):
Now it is done: CX nonstop FRA-HKG-FRA in early November for as cheap as 479.-- Euros, only some Euros more expensive than TK as the cheapest opinion all around and with a double mile promotion from Asia Miles = roundabout 23.000 miles for this trip.

What a great deal!  Wow! In my opinion is 479 EUR pretty cheap for a flight to HKG, and the double mile promotion makes it even more interesting.

You can look forward to the Cathay Pacific flights, I flew twice on them in their new regional Biz Class (BKK-HKG-BKK) and I have to say that these flights were definitely one of the best I ever had. I can imagine that their Eco Class service is also very good.

Are you for business or for pleasure in Hong Kong? When you are there for pleasure I can definitely recommend a boat trip to Macau, you should visit the Casino Lisboa at night, amazing atmosphere and maybe you will win a bit money, then you can upgrade to Biz Class on your return flight.  Wink

And finally my recommendation for everyone who is visiting Hong Kong: Make definitely sure that you visit the Felix Bar on the top floor of the Peninsula Hotel. Have a few drinks there, enjoy the atmosphere and then visit the restrooms, it is breathtaking! (I won't tell you more, see for yourself).

Enjoy Hong Kong, it's an amazing city!

Patrick


25 FLIEGER67 : Hi Patrick, its a pleasure, long weekend trip. Thanx for your informations, Macau is on the to do list and maybe the Peninsula, too. I´ve read about
26 Post contains images Sabena332 : Hey, I never saw that before, posted at 22:22:22h, speaking about good timing. CX's flying times are perfect for a long weekend trip, you arrive earl
27 FLIEGER67 : Hi Patrick, If you know the hotel fare situation in Hongkong, one of the few reasons about the long search was exactly, how to find such a good flight
28 Post contains images TriStar500 : Patrick, Thanks a lot for the idea concerning the CDG-DTW-CDG promotion, however since I am in no hurry to get those missing 20k miles and I have a lo
29 Post contains images Sabena332 : I agree, Hong Kong is one of the most expensive places when it comes to hotel fares. I don't know the Langham but 242 EUR sounds ok for me since it i
30 Ndebele : Hi Markus, sorry for coming back to the topic, but I just finally found the time to read your excellent report. Not having too much experience with fl
31 Post contains images FLIEGER67 : Hi Alex, thanx for your kind words. If I read my itinerary for the upcoming months, there is a "high risk" for another short STR meet . Your point abo
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