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User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1703 posts, RR: 7
Posted (15 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 4758 times:

I decided to take a trip to STL for some TWA photography. Normally I fly non-rev on American Airlines, however with the spring breakers I was having difficulty finding seats on the flights I needed. So I broke down and brought a ticket....Leave it to an aviation enthusiast to book a simple trip on three different airlines.  Smile

Saturday, March 24, 2001
MSP-MDW AirTran Airways Flight 821
Boeing 717-2BD N957AT

I got to the airport early to catch Sun Country's 7:00am DC-10 departure to Miami. It left a little late so I had to high tail it back to the terminal to catch my flight. While passing through the check in area, I noticed that the lines for Northwest and United were running about an hour to get through. There was no line at the AirTran counter...I check my bag and received my boarding pass within two minutes. I boarded the plane immediately and stopped by the cockpit to poke my head in. I asked if I could take a quick photo. The first officer seemed hesitant and asked if I worked for another airline (if I did so what? What's so classified about the B717 cockpit?). The captain was very friendly though and we engaged in a conversation for several minutes after I took my photos. I took my seat (18F) and noticed that the plane was about two-thirds full. The first thing I noticed was that the aircraft appeared that it had not been serviced. I found this hard to believe since it overnighted at MSP, but there was garbage in the seat back pockets and lots of crumbs on the floor. Pushback was right on time at 7:45am, however there was quite a long line for departure on 30L. The flight was uneventful. The flight took us over Rochester, MN and Davenport, IA. Beverage service was accompanied by two biscotti cookies. As soon the beverage service ended we had already started our descent. The final approach was kind of neat. It seemed like we were skimming the rooftops on our way to 31C. There was an Atlanta bound AirTran flight in our gate that had been delayed, so we were sent to the penalty box for about 15 minutes. There was an ATA 727 and a 757 (the white one with no titles and a blue tail) that sat there with us. After arrival, I claimed my bag (AirTran and Southwest cannot do interairline transfers) and waited in the long check in line at the Southwest counter in the new terminal.

MDW-STL Southwest Airlines Flight 1789
Boeing 737-3H4 N600WN

Unfortunately I had a 3 hour layover which turned into a 4.5 hour layover because the arriving Southwest flight was late. The terminal at Midway is just miserable. It's crowded, the facilities are woefully inadequate, and a good number of the employees are really crabby all the time (I probably would be too if I had to work there). Then, you get the pain-in-the-ass checkin procedure that Southwest makes you go through and it really made me promise once again that I need to quit flying Southwest. But those cheap fares are hard to beat and the most important thing is getting from Point A to Point B for the cheapest fare available. Unfortunately, it's on Southwest Airlines sometimes. Alas, our aircraft had arrived and after the infamous Southwest 15 minute turnaround we were on our way to STL. The aircraft looked like it hadn't been cleaned the entire day. The floor was starting to resemble a movie theater's floor and the seat pockets were overflowing with trash. It's a lot easier to do 15 minute turnarounds when you don't bother to clean and service your planes. The flight was typical, beverage service then our descent. Landing was on 30R and we taxied immediately to our gate in Concourse E.

Monday, March 26, 2001
STL-MDW Southwest Airlines Flight 492
Boeing 737-7H4 N793SA "Spirit One"

After my three day cloud spotting fiasco (no, the trip didn't go as well as I had hoped it would), I arrived at the airport extra early to deal with the long lines at the Southwest counter that I always encounter at almost every U.S. airport. Surprisingly, there was no line and I checked my bag pretty quick. I was pleasantly surprised when our aircraft arrived from Little Rock to take us to Chicago was Southwest's new B737-7H4 "Spirit One" in the new color scheme and the new leather interior! There was the usual rush at the boarding door. Despite being the 6th person to check in I think I was maybe the 60th person to get on board. Prior to pushback from the gate the captain got on the intercom and explained the significance of the airport. Most people seemed uninterested or unimpressed. We pushed back right on time at 6:15pm and had an immediate departure on 30L. Beverages were served along with those salted peanuts. Arrival was on time at MDW on 31C again. After the long hike to the new terminal to claim my bag from Southwest, I went upstairs to check in with Northwest.

MDW-MSP Northwest Airlines Flight 1069
Airbus Industrie A320-212 N332NW

I used Northwest's E-check in to change my seat to 21F and print a boarding pass. I still had to stop by the counter to check a bag, but at least there was no line. Boarding and departure was right on time. This marked my first Airbus flight (I have managed to avoid them for the past two decades)...it's not a bad aircraft but I still a hardcore Douglas person. In fact, the only reason I got the bus was because the original flight (DC-9-30) was switched a week before. Again, an uneventful flight....arrival was on time on 30R. It was after 10:00pm so the airport was quite deserted, just the way I like it!

Mark Abbott
Minneapolis, MN

A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man...
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User currently offlineJason Seiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (15 years 2 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

I'm happy I'm not the only person on this board who does not care for Southwest's way of doing things, awful MDW terminal, silly check in procedures, and dirty airplanes.

Great trip report. I'm headed down for a day of spotting in STL in April... via MSP on Northwest (OMA-MSP-STL-MSP-OMA). However that is ruined... leave it to Northwest. I took NW because their fare is the same as TWA ($130 round trip) and I could get 4 flights for the price of two with TWA. Northwest sent me a letter this week telling me they've cancelled my original STL flight and now I have about 6 hours in MSP and under 3 hours in STL instead of a short MSP connection and a longer time in STL. Northwest refuses to change it and won't change the ticket without making me pay a fare increase and change fee. I'm still working on in it (I love getting a different answer every time I call the airline).

Jason Seiple

User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (15 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4621 times:

I would try telling them the purpose of your trip (maybe make it a business meeting that you will now miss)or something.

User currently offlineTg 747-300 From Norway, joined Nov 1999, 1318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (15 years 2 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4619 times:

Brick: i have to agree with your statement "hardcore Douglas person" I also like the MDD a/c over most other a/c in the size 150 pax (ofcourse i love the Dc10 also)and have like you just had my first "bus" flight (also with NWA)
What do you think off the NWA 320?
I think the a/c was quite boring (but comfy) and the seats had softer headrests (same as the 742).

tg 747-300

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User currently offlineJason Seiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (15 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4614 times:

I made up a convincing excuse that I was meeting with somebody at noon, and suddenly I'm getting to STL at 9:00am, two hours before my original itinerary.  Smile

Jason Seiple

User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (15 years 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4598 times:

Good job!

User currently offlineNwa#1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (15 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4581 times:

Glad to hear that NW helped you out.

" However that is ruined... leave it to Northwest"

If you haven't flown NW in a while and are just relying on the public opinion, you might be pleasantly surprised. NW is running a great airline. They aren't perfect, but none of them are and NW is the best I found.

My advice for your trip...go into it with a positive attitude, relax, and know that NW will take good care of you. I would tell you to try the new internet checkin but because of the changes to your reservation it won't let you do it because the same thing happened to me a few weeks back.

Let us know how the time in STL goes and get lots of pics of the TWA planes!!


User currently offlineJason Seiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (15 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4583 times:

I've flown 7 legs with NW and NW Airlink (2 with Mesaba, 1 with Express I) since Christmas... All were good, however one flight was delayed 2 hours with little or no explanation or information available. Five of the flights were in one day on a mileage run/spotting trip. I was pleased. Now that Northwest has fixed the error hopefully it'll be great.

Can you recommend any specifically good photo places that one can reach by foot?

Jason Seiple

User currently offlineBrick From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1703 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (15 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4556 times:

Tg 747-300,

Sorry for the slow reply! I didn't think much of the A320. At least nothing seemed out of the ordinary about it.....just your typical narrow body aircraft. I did notice that the aisle seemed a little bit wider than on Boeing aircraft. I didn't bonk people on the head as easily with my big camera bag and tripod strapped to it. That and the cockpit looked really odd (I will never get used to seeing a flightdeck with joysticks) was the only thing I noticed.

A week and a half after my first Airbus flight I get a NW A319 down to DFW tomorrow. When I booked it it was a DC-9-51, but just like the previous trip the schedule was changed to an Airbus....Oh well, I'll survive.


STL by foot? Forget about it. If you don't have a car it really can't be done unless you want to hike a considerable distance.

Mark Abbott
Minneapolis, MN

A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man...
User currently offlineJason Seiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (15 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

I'll stick to my usual spots... Southwest gates with my big lense or end of concourse B.

Jason Seiple

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