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Britiannia Airways- The World's Worst Airline!  
User currently offlinePK743 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Hi,
In May 2000 I flew with Britiannia Airlines (UK) from Birmingham International (bhx) to Orlando (mco).

Our flight was delayed because the fuel tanker fueling us up for the 9 hour flight ran out, had to go back refuel the tanker and then go back to the 767-300 aircraft!

1 Bonus- before it used to be a 767-200 that done the transatlantic service- that was a shambells as well!

Anyway- we took off late on runway 33, and headed for the sun. via. Hell.

The cabin crew were awful to us seated in 'ecomony' class, they were more interested in the posh people, who payed far too much for the 360 service just to sit at the front of the plane.

All meals were served only from the front so when we got them they were cold. We had to pay for our drinks, that wasn't the case last year when I flew by them.

Then came inflight entertainment- yeah right, all of the tv's and electrical equipment failed so we had no inflight entertainment for 4 hours.

They gave us 1 apology 3 and a half hours later, and even that was aimed at the people in 360 service.

Next- duty free. now what could go wrong? All they had to do is come round with a smile on their face and ask us if we wanted anything. The cabin crew couldn't even do that. I as a young traveller baught a teddy bear for £7.99 with the britannia logo on it.

Well there was no logo on the bear! as advertised in the inflight mag. So I complained they said 'Uh' were sorry- but there is nothing we can do, contact the crew on your return flight.

So I did and that was a shambles of a flight too- same cabin crew, sameold story about the bear and they told me this time to complain to Britannia when I got home.

The good news was we landed 1 hour early because we had the wind behind us. that was a godsend. i couldn't wait to get off.

Passengers in 360 service (like business class), was seen to first in everything. It's as if we are really poor and we are their because we paid for the flight and the cabin crew wasn't prepared to help us.

The cabin crew on both flights turned around to passengers as we got on both at BHX and MCO, and they only said this to NON 360 passengers:
'We are here for you, but MAINLY your safety.'

That's as if they didn't want us- and they only ant to help you in an emergancy. But if there ever was one I don't think they would know what to do!

I AM NEVER FLYING BRITANNIA AGAIN, AND I ADVISE YOU TO DO THE SAME! (That's if your not flying 360 service of course)

Next time i am going to fly JMC.
Thanks,
Marc Bowers.

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User currently offlineBY291A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

PK743,

I have to say that a lot of the things you describe in your post are beyond Britannia's control, such as the tanker running out of fuel. This is Birmingham Airports fault. I have flown Britannia many many times and I have never been less than 100% satisfied. We were on a 2 hour flight, but the cabin crew were extremely friendly, ( we were sat in "economy"- but economy is really the whole aircraft. you just pay a mere £18 more to get more leg room and a bit of dining flexibility, that is the only difference between 360extra and 360.) and our meals were delicious. The IFE worked beautifully. As for what you say about the cabin crew saying that they were there "mainly for your safety", that is pure nonsense. Firstly, the cabin crew would not say that to 360extra passengers and not 360 passengers , and secondly The PA system is broadcast all over the aircraft, and so what was said to one set of passengers is said to the set of passengers paying £18 more in the front of the cabin. I can understand your problem with the IFE not working, but otherwise I have to suggest to you that your opinions on Britannia treating some passengers better than others is nonsense. Also, Britannia's cabin crew training cadets go through rigorous training processes in case of emergency including: Navigating through a smoke filled cabin, Escaping via emergency shoots, Deploying life jackets correctly, and carrying out a seamless evacuation in case of emergency. Can I cast your mind back to the crash G-BYAG had in Gerona just past a year ago now. EVERYBODY ON BOARD THAT PLANE SURVIVED THE CRASH AND SUBSEQUENT EVACUATION. This was mostly due to the excellent skills of Captain Brendon Nolan but also due to the skills of the cabin crew in evacuating that aircraft with superb efficiency and time. Dont tell me Britannia crews probably dont know what to do in an emergency. There is proof that they do.

Regards
Tom Williamson,
Manchester UK


User currently offlineCraig From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

Sorry Marc I also have to disagree with you. I'm on of those 'posh' people and flew with Britannia from Glasgow to Orlando in June in 360 premium. On my flight the 360 Premium meals were served at the same time as the rest of the passengers and all passengers got free drinks, the cabin crew let us all help ourselves to the drinks trolley which was left at front of the aircraft. The cabin crew were also really kind, friendly and helpful to all of the passengers. The plane (G-OBYI) was also really clean and was very new, and had a new type of entertainment system with flat and bigger screens. Overall the flight was excellent and the crew let me go and visit the flight deck for an hour.

The return flight home was not as good because the aircraft was quite dirty. My table had melted chocolate on it, the floor hadn't been cleaned and there was rubbish from the last flight in the seat pockets. I don't think that this was Britannia's fault though I think it's down to the cleaners at MCO. The cabin crew were just as kind on the way back, they upgraded a family to 360 premium, where there was spare seats, becasue the family were originally sitting in different parts of the aircraft. I think this was good of them and they didn't have to do it. Once again free drinks for everyone and plenty of food, even to give some people seconds.

I would definetly fly Britannia again even in their normal economy class. I think that they are still one of the best charter airlines to fly with.

Regards

Craig
Scotland


User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

I agree they are rubbish, but so are JMC I'm flying MOnarch

User currently offlinePK743 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

Hi again,
I am still sticking by my point. The cabin crew members must have a had a bad day. I have flew Britannia loads of times before and I have been 100% happy, but since the introduction of 360 and 360 Extra, Britannia have gone down.

Jmc is better, and Monarch 100%, A two hour flight is so different than being stuck with that cabin crew for 8 hours. I know the cabin crew have to go through rigerous training- i want ot become one- For Jmc or Monarch that is, NOT britannia!

ok, the fuel is out of hands with Britannia but the entertainment system surly- that was out on the last flight before us. They din't even try at bhx to fix it.

I have no problem with cleaners at MCO.

I remember the days where I can hapily say 'Rule Britannia' sadly, them days have long gone and now they have lost a frequent flyer to the airline, that used to pay a couple of hundred for their 'inflight service'

thanks,
marc Bowers.

P.S.
Will someone let me in on the loke the cabin crew were having when a man lost oxygen in a couple of seats next to me. yeah, they helped him. But not without having a good laugh about it, right infront of his face. Disgraceful. Go on protect the cabin crew now! 


User currently offlineBY291A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 11 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

PK743,
Don't know why that was, but I find that a bit hard to believe.

Tom


User currently offlineEK_A340 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (13 years 11 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

I don't know.

User currently offlineUK FLY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

I almost always go on Thomsons Holidays, there for we fly Britannia, I have had 1 or 2 problems with them, and the Inflight entertainment failed on us too, all they could do was run the quizes arcoss the screens, but I really did not mind, and oh, before you go on about it being a 8 hour flight, this was a 5 hour flight to Cyprus, the planes are always clean, the Cabin Crew are ALWAYS friendly, and pleasent, and stress the fact that our safety comes first, yes G-BYAG was a tragedy but it was the pilots skills that stopped the aircraft from catching alight, and the Cabin Crew for evacuating the passengers in seconds. I would always fly Britannia, and think the 360 service is an improvement over Royal Service,and the service is one of the best in the UK,
you say "frequent flyer" does that mean you always fly Britannia?, before you start complaining about Britannia, go and fly some others, like Airtours, or Air 2000, and, these are good, but no where near Britannia, and then fly Air Europa, Then Tell us Britannia is the worlds worst Airline, after flying an airline, that does not have inflight intertainment, and 11 hour delays!
Britannia also include good things in there service that others dont, you dont pay the sum of £2:50 for ear phones, you get a news paper on arrival, the kiddies packs on return flights,when you visit the Flight Deck, they dont pressurise you to go (like Airtours did) and they dont have the rock hard seats like Monarchs, and their seats are designed for people, not aliens without legs like Airtours are.
Before you start complaining, just go and fly some others, then tell us

UKFLY


User currently offlineBY291A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

Well said, UK FLY

Tom
BY291A
EGCC-LIPZ


User currently offlineAvion757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

I have flown Britannia 4 times, and it is always a pleasure.

The cabin crew are always friendly and kind, and the aircraft is always clean, and the flight is punctual. Their service is always perfect and they are my favourite airline in the world (hopefully they will introduce some A-320 aircraft into the fleet instead of leasing them out).

So before you start disliking them, try flying Iberworld!
Regards,
Alex

Rule Britannia!


User currently offline9V-SPI From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2000, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

Hi

My parents and I flew with Britannia over to Melbourne a couple of years back and they weren't that bad. Don't think that the legroom was brilliant for the flight but with todays aircraft - no one really gives you lots of room.

We were due to fly Manchester-Sharjah-Singapore-Melbourne and then pick up an Ansett flight over to Launceston.

The aircraft was late departing due to its late arrival from the previous flight and then after finally getting onto the aircraft we took off for Sharjah, then turned back due to the weather radar not working properly and landed at Gatwick. The airport at Sharjah (if anyone has ever been there they'll know what I mean by this) but its a dump. The coffee was disgusting hence most people throwing it over the walls (or so it looked like) !!!

The technology in Sharjah is so sensitive that the zip on your jacket would set the alarm off in fact on a B767 everyone set it off.

We didn't encounter another problem until we got to Melbourne - there was a thunder storm!!! Hence the reason why we needed the weather radar working properly. And we had to circle for a bit missing our connecting flight over to Launceston. The journey coming back was much better on time everywhere until Singapore when we were just about to start take off and the pilot realised that one passenger was missing (baggage still on the aircraft - someone couldnt count) so we had to turn round and go back to the gate. After giving the late passenger a round of applause for making us late and missing our slot, we headed off again for the runway. One hour and a half later we commenced take-off and turned towards Sharjah (hoping after the impression of Sharjah on the way out that we would be diverted to Dubai, but this was not the case).

Because we arrived into Sharjah late and very early in the morning the cabin crew that joined the flight in Sharjah must have been Britannia's worse crew - talk of attitudal. We were scared to ask one member of staff for a drink during the flight incase we had our head bit off!!!

After getting off the aircraft at Manchester (and kissing the ground) only 2 hours late, we headed off home.

Having read your points about Britannia, after this experience I think that it adds to half the fun of travelling - towards the end of our trip we were joking about being late but it happens to every airline at some point a couple of years before this we had almost the same problems with Singapore Airlines.

Mark


User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2578 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2039 times:

I pity you more because you landed in the hot,sweaty armpit of America --- Orlando!

User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5494 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

I gotta tell you, those F/A's are some rude SOB's. A few of my friends and I got on for some photos. We got on, and they flipped out, so we had to get off until the cleaners were done or something. We got back on 5 mins later, and we were making our way to the flight deck, and one of the F/A's came out of the bathroom saw us, and basicly "attacked" my friend, began to push us back, until my friend showed his badge, and she backed off. And the 2-4-2 seating on a 767 is really ridiculous. I can see an A300, but not a 767. I would NEVER fly on them after that little experience.

User currently offlinePK743 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Hi,
so you think Britiannia is perfect- yeah?

I flew JMC to Majorca on board a B757-200 and they were fantastic, cabin crew were perfect loads of let room, meals were 100% tasty and the cabin crew could keep a straight face during the safety breifing.

I then flew with my dad on Airtours to the US, on a A330 aircraft. Not so much leg room as the B757 with JMC but just as good service. I had FREE headphones a window seat just behind the wing, and I even went to the rear of the A330 to have a chat with the crew for about 10 mins whilst the inflight movie was on. They gave me a safety card because I collect them (same as jmc) and they also let me have the 'jumpseat' upon landing.

In June 2000 I flew with Air 2000 to Paphos (B757) and was not dissapointed in their service. One bad thing- we were delayed 45mins due to paperwork. Service was just as good as Jmc.

Last week I relived my nightmare and give Britannia yet another chance. I flew on British European Shorts 360 from Exeter to Birmingham and then (after a 1hr delay) boarded a Britiannia B767-200 for my flight to Malaga. Just as I predicted- poor service, captain didn't talk to us, meal was something like dog vomit. This time yes the cabin crew were nice and friendly- just before landing. I was glad to get to Malaga!! Our bags took ages to come through at Malaga, but that isn't By's fult.

We didn't want bad service going back so we phoned up Britannia, told them about the hospitality I had recived both times I had flown with them and they couldn't stop the condolences coming! We stuffed them in and flew home on Monarch Airlines (A321) which was a good idea. Monarch was not only cheaper, the service was better and we had shedloads of leg room.

When we got to Birmingham, i found out the BY B762 was delayed 2 hrs flying home due to the late arrival of the operating aircraft.

So not only do BY have a poor service, they can't even run them on time and they expect us fellow passengers to pay more than a BETTER airline.

I know you can say that Britiannia have a better time keeping record than the other airlines but what's that if you don't get quality inflight service.

I have booked another Jmc flight and also a Virgin Flight.

I am not going on BY because of their service and not on BA because you never know the pilots could be out of their head!

I REST MY CASE. Britannia are c**p and lets all face up to that fact. No good protecting them, the way they carry on they are going to be in the scrapheap. If they ever go back to the way they were in the mid 1990's I will fly on them again and have no problem.

BRITANNIA- HERE'S @ HINT:
DUMP 360 AND 360 EXTRA IT'S RUINED YOU.
(and replace your entire cabin crew)

Thank You,
Marc Bowers.

Case dismissed. Jmc are the winners. Britannia is dead long live OTHER british airlines. Can't wait until British Midland goes transatlantic.

:D                          


User currently offlineBY291A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

YOU SAID

Case dismissed. Jmc are the winners. Britannia is dead long live OTHER british airlines

AND

Britannia are c**p and lets all face up to that fact. No good protecting them, the way they carry on they are going to be in the scrapheap

AND(This one didnt even make any sense)

I know you can say that Britiannia have a better time keeping record than the other airlines but what's that if you don't get quality inflight service.

Hmmm...
When you have some proper proof then you can slag off Britannia. You have taken 4 flights with BY that you didnt particularly enjoy. Britannia have well over 100 flights a day, you are ruling an entire airline over one experience.

I think a few moths back you will find somebody in a trip report was slagging off JMC. Search for it. They said that JMC were awful, that they got all their timings wrong, etc etc. So they had a bad experience with JMC even though you had a good one. You are basing your opinion of an airline on 4 flights.

Also, you said:-

I am not going on BY because of their service

Well, i wonder if Britannia REALLY CARE whether or not you choose to fly on them??? I think not.

Also, I think this:-

Case dismissed. Jmc are the winners. Britannia is dead long live OTHER british airlines. Can't wait until British Midland goes transatlantic.

could be a little childish.

BRITANNIA HAVE WON MANY MANY MANY GOLDEN GLOBE AWARDS FOR THEIR SERVICE

Regards
Tom
BY291A
EGCC-LIPZ



User currently offlineAvion757 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

Give BY a break!

Britannia is the best charter airline, their service is ace and everything about them is perfect!
You've just had 1 bad experience, but for every bad one there'll be 1000s of brilliant ones with them.

Best regards,
Alex
(By the way)
BRITANNIA RULE


User currently offlinePK743 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

Hi!
I have flown with Britannia for the last 10 or 11 years and I agree (in the begining) they were the best uk charter airline, by far.
Then they introduced 360 service- very good for the people who pay extra but I think that the 'first class' service' EVERYBODY recived before this introduction went down the drain and they have just lossed a tad of class.

When I emailed BY they were very consearned about my experiance with them. I passed my views on to ex-workers of BY as well as the head office and they said they agree that BY have just lost it a bit with non paying 360 extra customers. They have lost the fab communication they had with their passengers.

I am sure there are MANY passengers worldwide who have had more than one experiance with BY, well I would ask them to stand up and speak up from the crowd. I am not the only one who has been unhappy with their service.

Thanks,
Marc Bowers.  



User currently offlinePK743 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

Hi!
Britannia sent me a letter which I recived today. It was a letter of apology from the head office and personally from the cabin crew of flight BY172A and BY172B.
In it, it stated that they are very sorry for the conditions and hospitality I recived during the time I spent on the B767-300 aircraft.

They also told me that following other complaints they have had regarding transatlantic services they are doing the best they can to improve the hospitality given to non paying upgrading passengers and that I should have no hesitation next time to fly to MCO on Britiannia.

I have fully understood this letter and I am exepting there apology. Despite this I am only going to fly Britiannia on short european flights in the future. That's if JMC and Monarch are unavalable for that route.

I would like to thank BY for sending me the letter (it took them 5 months to do it, but they said sorry in the end) They also apologized for the flight to Malaga I went on a couple of weeks ago.

Thank You BY and everyone who has participated in this section of the forum.

Thank You,
Marc Bowers.  



User currently offlineUK FLY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1972 times:



PK743 wrote:
-------------------------------
Hi!
Britannia sent me a letter which I recived today. It was a letter of apology from the head office and personally from the cabin crew of flight BY172A and BY172B.
In it, it stated that they are very sorry for the conditions and hospitality I recived during the time I spent on the B767-300 aircraft.

They also told me that following other complaints they have had regarding transatlantic services they are doing the best they can to improve the hospitality given to non paying upgrading passengers and that I should have no hesitation next time to fly to MCO on Britiannia.

I have fully understood this letter and I am exepting there apology. Despite this I am only going to fly Britiannia on short european flights in the future. That's if JMC and Monarch are unavalable for that route.

I would like to thank BY for sending me the letter (it took them 5 months to do it, but they said sorry in the end) They also apologized for the flight to Malaga I went on a couple of weeks ago.

Thank You BY and everyone who has participated in this section of the forum.

Thank You,
Marc Bowers.

I'm not surprised it took you 5 months to recieve it,you should see the amount of fan mail and other letters from the public they get, and they reply personally to each one.I know I am probably setting off an argument again, but Britannia Genrealy care more for their fans than other Charter Airlines.
I wrote to Airtours,Air 2000,Britannia and Monarch.Credit where its due-Monarchs Reply arrived within 2 days, in the envelope there was-Inflight Mag,their History booklet,postcards,and a fleet list,but no actual reply to my Questions, just a "with complements" slip.
next Britannia's arrived, just under a month later.
I got-a full, 2 A4 page typed letter to ME,a fleet list,the latest skyscene,Duty free list,a Britannia 757 Flightdeck poster and a Giant "Royal Service"poster,and some photocopied pictures of their older liveries, and a photocopy of the original design sheet of the current livery.
Next, Airtours,came 3 months later, and I got-an Airtours "with compliments" slip, 4 poscards of the Airtours 757 with the Red arrows,even though, they were only 2 pictures,with 2 of each postcard.and a HOT! mag.
then 6 months after I sent the letter, I recieved the Air 2000 reply,and it was a normal sized envelope, very thin, and all it had was a "with compliments" slip and a pricing list for their postcards and other items, like posters!

I have just returned from a flight, on Birtannia, from luton to faro and back, again it was an excellent flight, but both ways the TV moniters seemed to flicker, a problem there.I never went into the Flight deck, but I had an interesting talk with the co-pilot in the forward area,I pointed out the little things that were missing from the flight, the hot towls, the lack of an extra Flight Attandant,other things,and he said, which is what I thought was the reason, fuel,because of the high prices,so they have had to cut down on extra things to still pull a profit, unlike Airtours who lost an astromical amount last year.you will find these things have happened to other airlines,I admit, Britannia was a lot better with the Royal Service, and it does lack that certain something that it used to have, but doesn't have any more,the crew have less time to talk to you now, cos of the other missing.it all boils down to Tony Blair, and TAX and VAT,but, unlike Airtours, Britannia havn't taken any money from their food funds, the Airtours offering was pathetic, half the size as the Britannia meals.
I dont think Britannia is perfect, its just better than the other Charter Airlines, I havn't flown jmc so I cant speak for them.

UK FLY

Mark
Humberside International




User currently offlinePK743 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (13 years 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1965 times:

Hi!
When you fly JMC you may still like Britannia but you will find Jmc better overall. In the package BY sent me they included a 'with compliments slip' just so there customer relations number was on it and they also gave me a safetycard from a B767-300, which after my flight I had anyway!

Try out Jmc if you don't like it fine- as you said you can't speak for them if you haven't flown on them!

Speak to you lot later,
Marc Bowers.


User currently offlineAlle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

I flew BLX ARN-NAT-ARN and didn't like it very much.
The entire aircraft (B763) was 360º class but i didn't like it anyway! The Cabin Crew was friendly and spoke of course Swedish but there were also Finnish people like me onboard, no problem for me, i speak Swedish, but every Finn in the Aircraft didn't speak Finnish.
The inflight entertainmant system was bad, they didn't have enough of displays and i couldn't see the movies
comfortably, i must say that i liked more the connecting flights HEL-ARN-HEL. A year before i flew on a Finnair
charter flight HEL-LGK-HEL (B752 only used on charter flights) and it was much nicer.


User currently offlineUK FLY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

Dont you realise?
why are you aking me to fly jmc, these airlines, they are nothing to do with why we fly them really, people fly Britannia because of the fact that THOMSON-HAVE-BETTER-HOLIDAYS-THAN-JMC Britannia is flown by people because they like thomson Holidays,To be honest, even people who love aviation, I bet they dont book a thomson holiday just because they will fly Britannia.Thomsons are better then jmc,I have been on a jmc holiday, and-have you seen the complaints they've had?
Oh and by the way, I havn't flown jmc, it was an AEA flight.


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