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User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1716 posts, RR: 29
Posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7400 times:

Date: 27aug2005
Flightnumber: KL1351
Stretch: AMS-PRG
Registration: PH-BDP
Planned schedule in UTC: AMS 0655 - PRG 0825
Actual schedule in UTC: AMS 0659 - PRG 0813

Having wanting to visit Ruzyne airport already for a long time, and given an excellent weather forecast for that weekend, I decided at the last minute to make a 1 day trip to PRG for some aircraft-spotting/photography  Wink

Check-in was done via the "self-service" machine at 0545z after an early wake-up and gorgeous drive to Schiphol. Weather was excellent with no wind and no clouds, so it promised to be an excellent and calm flight this morning.
The boarding-card again produced a "gate"seat, so, after passport-control and security-check went straight to the published gate D53...The lady there was very kind and said to wait to be called "after a check with the purser on board": sounds promising  Big grin After the boarding process had started, she came to me from behind the counter and asked me "to board as the last passenger" and handed me back the boarding-pass, but now with seat 4A  thumbsup  The more-or-less 90 passengers boarded quite quickly, and all was set at 0645z afterwhich I could enter the aircraft and settle in the last row of seats IN FRONT of the curtain....thank you madam !!!

As soon as all 7 business-class passengers were seated, newspapers were distributed and a pre-takeoff drink was served (very good and tasty orange juice)...
The captain came on the PA and said that due to slot constrains over Germany, they had now opted and filed for another routing to Prague, an Easterly one i.s.o. a South-Easterly one.

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Nose-lift and push-back was at 0659z and only a short taxi-track was needed today, as the take-off was made from runway 24 at 0705z. At 4/SPL we made a left turn onto track 120 and this way, we had a beautiful view of Schiphol, the "Westereinderplassen" and the village of Aalsmeer. At abeam 227PAM, we made another left turn onto track 074 to Ivlut (19.4/SPL), where we turned right onto a track 108 for our Arnem departure...As it was a beautiful and clear day, lot's and lot's of the Netherlands could be seen and it was like flying over a National Geographic map
 bigthumbsup  This way, the new reclaimed province of Flevoland could be seen in full, before passing the city of Arnhem. After the Arnem point (at 51/SPL or 39/PAM), a slightly left turn was made for a 100 track to Soneb, Sovex towards Hamm/HMM.
As soon as the seatbelt sign was extinguished, the purser started serving out the breakfast, consisting of a nice fruit yoghurt, fruit platter, hot roll and cold snack, consisting of smoked meat and cheese with a few grapes... Drinks could also be had and to finish it off, the famous "strong" Dutch coffee or tea was served...
The first-officer came on the PA system as soon as we were cruising at 35000 feet in the neighborhood of Halle, and informed us that we would continue eastwards towards Dresden, and than make a right turn to the Czech border and towards Prague...as he didn't expect any delays, we should be at the gate about 15 minutes ahead of schedule  Smile
Soon after Dresden, we started our descend and proceeded towards Hermsdorf/HDO from where the track was 165 and going down to 5000 feet abeam Neratovice/NER, where a big, but apparently "sleeping" Air Base came into view (anyone know the name ?). At 39.9/HDO a right turn to 198 was made in order to pick-up the ILS for runway 24, where another "small" airport came into view: wow, quite some airfields around here  razz  Another right-hand turn was made and now we were flying down the ILS 24 and Kbely airport, the city of Prague with it's Vltava river and many bridges came into view, before a greaser was made at 0808z...fantastic to have this sightseeing-tour even before landing  Wow! After a smooth roll-out, we exited the runway at D, and taxied via F to our gate 9 at the B-Terminal, where most of the Skyteam members are handled, ending a nice and comfortable flight on KLM.

Nice on-time operation, cockpit-crew kept us well informed and had a smooth and enjoyable flight...

Rating (1-10): 8

Date: 27aug2005
Flightnumber: OK0618
Stretch: PRG-AMS
Registration: OK-CGH
Seat: 18A
Planned schedule in UTC: PRG 1505 - AMS 1640
Actual Schedule in UTC: PRG 1505 - AMS 1633

As I had a departure-time of 1550z in my head i.s.o. 1500, I was VETY shocked to see (at 1435z
 Wow!  Wow!  Wow! ) that this, actually, was already the boarding time, so I rushed to the 1st available CSA check-in desk, and asked if check-in for the Amsterdam flight was still available...the good-looking blonde said the flight was closed already, but would phone the supervisor to open the flight again, just in order to check me in: a big "dzekuje" for this  thumbsup  Check-in itself was a breezer, as only hand-luggage was transported and the security-check itself was also very quick but thorough (keychain was checked 3x through the x-ray !!!)...As I had seen the OK-DGL (Aero145) at gate 1 or 3 before, I was hoping for the best, however, that plane was scheduled for a CPH flight, and I was "stuck" with OK-CGH

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Boarding was about finished when I entered the gate A1, so was lucky indeed to be able to (still) board the aircraft. Business-class looked empty and Economy-class only had about 20-25 passengers, so this would be an easy going flight for the crew...
In seat 17A there was a passenger still using the phone during push-back, and was tactically told by the steward to "surrender" his phone and passport, as this "could hamper flight safety"...very well done, my boy  Wink
Taxi out to runway 24 was via A and Z and rotation was at 1513z, giving an excellent view of the "old" terminal with the Czech AF 154's parked in the distance and runway 13/31...atr 7.2/OKL we made a right-turn onto track 295 for our Donad2A departure, where at 21.3/OKL we turned left again for a 252 track to Besno and Donad. Climbing further to 36000 feet, the crew distributed a nice snack-box, containing a roll and chocolate-bar plus some small mints. Bar service was available and as far as I could see, all drinks were free. Being on board a Czech airplane, I should try a Czech beer, and was given a nice, cold and refreshing Pilsener Urquell  Silly
The remainder of the flight was uneventful and very smooth and as soon as we passed the Dutch border, we started our descent into Schiphol towards the Spijkerboor/SPY beacon, where we turned in for an ILS approach to runway 18C overhead Assendelft. A beautiful view of the "Noordzeekanaal", Amsterdam container terminal and Badhoevedorp could be seen, before we touched down at 1624z. A nine minutes taxi followed to our gate D27, where we arrived 7 minutes before scheduled arrival time !!! well done CSA...

Found CSA an excellent airline: very relaxed atmosphere on board, good handling of the phoning person, great snack and ontime performance.

Rating (1-10): 8

don't throw away tomorrow !
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User currently offlineBAViscount From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2338 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7278 times:

Hi MH017 - nice insight into your trip! Hope you had a good time in Prague, it's a great city.

I flew with OK about 4 or 5 years ago, and the food we got on the PRG-LHR leg was one of the nicest meals I've ever had in the air - Chicken Stirfry - delicious!



Ladies & gentlemen this is Captain Tobias Wilcock welcoming you aboard Coconut Airways flight 372 to Bridgetown Barb
User currently offlineFLIEGER67 From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 5243 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7270 times:

Hi MH017,
interesting to read about your OK experience.
I´am working on my report from my OK flights last weekend, also with the same rating like yours.
Markus (FLIEGER67)

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7232 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7142 times:

Nice report, hope you had a good time in Prague. Good to hear about CSA.

User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4706 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7018 times:

Hi MH017!
Interesting comparison between KL and OK - and I must say that the Czech national carrier once again impresses me with some good ratings. Having flown CSA in December 2004 on DTM-PRG-BCN-PRG-DTM myself, I must say that your experience mirrors my impressions. I certainly hope that the Czech airline will be able to succeed in the cut-throat European market and continue to offer service, which puts other so-called "quality airlines" to shame.

Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1716 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6984 times:


Cannot really compare KL with OK, as was traveling in two different classes; however, the score at the bottom would say it all !!!

OK (and MA for that matter) are in no way those "dusty" old East-European airlines anymore, as many people think to believe: they can compete VERY well service-wise with "western" airlines !!!

I would really recommend OK to fellow travelers: loved the relaxed attitude of the Czech people...

don't throw away tomorrow !
User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8743 posts, RR: 53
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6954 times:
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Nice report, OK soung pretty good, love the bit about the phone Smile

Hope the spotting went ok.



User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1716 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6930 times:


It all went OK, thanks to the relaxed attitude of the Czech people: "policie" passed several times, but didn't stop or even bother me while photographing passing planes  thumbsup 

don't throw away tomorrow !
User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6920 times:

Good to hear you enjoyed your stay in PRG and good to hear you had a nice experience in OK. I think they are a pretty good airlines, they are only missing a new, better, modern long-haul plane. I hope to hear from orders soon.

Czech Boeing lover living in Lima
User currently offlineCanberra From Denmark, joined Apr 2004, 310 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 6777 times:

Another great report, thanks for posting...

Quoting MH017 (Thread starter):
Soon after Dresden, we started our descend and proceeded towards Hermsdorf/HDO from where the track was 165 and going down to 5000 feet abeam Neratovice/NER, where a big, but apparently "sleeping" Air Base came into view (anyone know the name ?).

A good place to look for "sleeping" Air Bases is www.ryanair.com. They have a fairly extensive listing on their website (called destinations)....

Had a look but the closest was "Leipzig" also known as "Altenburg - Nobitz". This is a bit further to the west so probably not "your" airfield  Wink But remember www.ryanair.com if you are looking for secondary airports (former airfields).....

All the best, Michael

It takes courage to push things forward . . (Mo Mowlam)
User currently offlineMH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1716 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6718 times:


Thanks for the tip, however, since using Google Earth recently, I can now confirm these were Mimon and Milovice, respectively  Wink

don't throw away tomorrow !
User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2192 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6641 times:

Very nice report. How was spotting in BUD?


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