Ironminds From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 556 posts, RR: 3 Posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1829 times:
Why do airlines configure planes like the MD10 in a 2-5-2 arrangement in coach, when 3-3-3 would be much more comfortable? I once rode in the middle of that 5 (and had two peple on either side once) and it SUCKED!
Ironminds From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 556 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1689 times:
Yeah, MD11 would work here, tho I was thinking of the DC 10. Thanks...but anyway, if you're in one of the outer "2" sets of seats, that'd be great, but it just seems to me that the people in the middle get kind of a raw deal, especially if they are in the middle of a cabin in this sea of heads, having to climb over sleeping bodies every time they want to use the lav, etc. But, as you say, different strokes for different folks!
BostonBeau From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 473 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1666 times:
If you think about it, with a 3-3-3 arrangement, there would be TWO sets of people who would have to climb over two others to get to an aisle, whereas with 2-5-2 there is only one set of people who have to do that, and who can go to EITHER aisle. The other arrangement that would work is what they originally used on the B747 when it first entered service: 3-4-2
Airnewzealand From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 2549 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1619 times:
It also depends on Seat pitch. Having 35", on Korean Air and seating in the middle seat for 12.50mins was no problem for me!! I didn't even wake up any passengers when i was getting out to go to the Lav.
But the thing i must moan about is that it gets very hot sitting in the middle seat.
CNS From Germany, joined Mar 2000, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1571 times:
I liked to fly with the NW 744 very much, but the DC 10 was just terrible...
AMS-DTW I flew with 744...it was such a nice flight...but back DTW-AMS....terrible (DC10)!!!
I have reserved window seats 9 month before my flight...but NW gave us (3 persons) middle seats.... in the DC 10...WHY??
last year I flew with MH FRA-KUL-SYD//CNS-DRW-KUL-FRA...and we have reserved the seats 6 month before the flight...and we got the seats...and why???....because MH is much better organized...that's the only reason...
I will fly with NW again when they have their new A333...or I will only book flights on which they fly 747-200 or 744....
PHLFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 851 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1555 times:
2-5-2 seating is only terrible if you are stuck in the middle seats of the middle section, otherwise 2-5-2 is fine. If you are flying alone and want a window seat, you only have one person between you and the aisle compared to 2 people in 3-3-3 or 3-4-3 or even 3-3 for that matter.
If you are flying with someone, 2-5-2 or 2-4-2 is still better because no one else is in your row with you. When I travel with my family, 3-3 or 3-4-3 is still not a good option because there are 4 of us. You either all have to sit in the middle section, or have someone across the aisle. With 2-5-2, 2-4-2, or 2-3, you can have 2 in one row, and the other 2 behind. 2 window seats and 2 aisle seats, perfect.
I have only been stuck in the middle seat once, and that was on a DL L1011 between MIA and ATL a few years ago.
N312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2684 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1540 times:
I would have to say 3-3-3 would be better. I would really hate to get the middle seat in the 2-5-2. I think the 767's 2-3-2 is the most comfortable in the air. The 747's 3-4-3 isnt that bad, mind you it was a bit annoying being at the window seat.
MEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4489 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1536 times:
Although it sounds logical (3-3-3 stucks up two people with the problem of climbing over 2 pax to get to the lav) I´d still deeply prefer a 3-4-3 or 3-3-3 configuration; don't forget these two people in the last cases are being "compensated" by the pleasure of a window seat. I always try to get a window seat, and I can because I only need to .... walk... once on a 6+ hours flight. Otherwise I wouldn't opt for one, because I wouldn't like to be a bore for the other pax. Pax who insist on getting a window and then get up every hour disgust me.
nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
Nwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (14 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1531 times:
The flight has too be over 80% full before people HAVE to be sitting in the center seat. With lighter loads the 5 seats gives families a little more space and couples and singles can sit out on the 2 side.
with 3-3-3 you start putting people in the middle seat with much lighter loads and people at the windows are doing the double climb over.
2-5-2 at NW will be gone soon in favor of 2-4-2 which is one of the best configurations around.
By the way, you can only reserve seats with NW 3 months in advance (90days) I have tried when I book flight very early in advance and they put in a request but you should always call and check your seats. With NW I call 90 days prior and get the seats and with all airlines I call closer to the flight (about 1 week out)to check my seats are still reserved and to see if there are any better seats.
Call and reserve the best seats you can get on the phone in advance (these won't always be great seats but you will at least be sure you are together)
Get to the airport early and request the exact
type of seat you want (if you want an exit row window
just simply ask "may I please have an exit row window seat). I sometimes even take a look at the seat maps from the websites and make a list of seats I would want and keep it out when I check in.
The key is getting to the airport early so you can checkin before most other people for your flight. Your chances of better seats are much higher and families travelling together have a much better chance of all sitting on one row.
Sorry for that little tangent......
I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE A330 WITH 2-4-2 IN THE MAIN CABIN....IT WILL BE SOOOOOO MUCH NICER THAN 2-5-2 OR 3-3-3.
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8988 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (14 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1490 times:
I prefer the 3-3-3, because you have a better chance of being closer to the window, plus you don't get the dead middle climbing over people. I think the 767s 2-3-2 is really comfortable, and the 3-4-3 on the 747 and some 777s is pretty nice.
DeltaRNOmd-80 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1462 times:
When my dad went to make the reservations for my Delta flights this summer (leave June 16, return July 14), I told him to ask the travel agent to book us on window seats just behind the wing, that way I can see the rudders go up and down, I think thats cool. Do you also have to ask for these seats at the airport or are they already yours once the travel agent books them?
Airbus_A340 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1567 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (14 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1450 times:
DeltaRNOmd-80 don't you mean the flaps, ailerons and spoilers
On the topis, i prefere 2-5-2 as there is only one person in each row that has the "double excuse-me" seat. If the seating is 3-3-3, there are two people, the ones next to the window that have a "double excuse-me" seat. Also the middle seat on the 2-5-2 gets filled up when the flight gets full. So I would have to go with the 2-5-2.
Trev aka Airbus_A340
People. They make an airline. www.cathaypacific.com
FlyVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (14 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1438 times:
As mentioned above, 2-4-3 would be the best but only a few do it. People flying just two can have privacy, parties of three can have privacy, 4 can sit in the middle, for five, two can have a side and the other 3 can have the other side, six could have two rows of the three side etc..... It makes the most sense.
Dfleet7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 153 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (14 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1436 times:
i was just on a united 777 that was 2-5-2 and although i was occupied by the ptv and window, i would probably rather have a 3-3-3 arrangement on overnight flights. the only reason is that when the cabin is not jam backed, it is easier to sleep on three seats rather than two!
SIA_B777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 469 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (14 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1402 times:
I like the B744 configuration the best (3-4-3)!
Going to NRT from LAX on SIA I got stuck with the window seat! I don't think I ever gone 10 hours with going to the bathroom once! It got a little cramped after hour 6.
My return trip (TPE to LAX (we went from NRT to TPE)), me and my dad shared the middle row! Yep, we both got 2 seats! No being cramped here! A little taste of first class in economy! You could push back the armrest and lay down. The one complaint was that the very next day they would start a new round of movies (We traveled Dec. 31)! I had to watch the same ones that I saw on my NRT-LAX flight.
Well, just something interesting, I got home with 3 seconds left in the year!
777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (14 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1359 times:
Air Tahiti Nui has their seats in a 2-2/2-2 configuration in coach, while still maintaining two aisles. The A340 is set up with 4 sets of two seat pods, with each person getting their own armrest, which is quite comfortable.
: Although 3.3.3 has the emotional, psychological "appearance" of a less crowded cabin, logic dictates that 2.5.2 is clearly preferable from a passenger
: If the airline has an intelligent seat allocation program, the middle seats of a 2-5-2 will be the last to be allocated except where families of three
: 3-4-2 is what swissair has on their MD-11's. I like this set up. Hey anyone ever been in a tower air plane. didn't they do a 2-6-2 or was it 3-4-3?
: I really can't say the one I prefer, because I have never flown on a 3-3-3 or a 2-4-3. I really don't mind the 2-5-2, and I have never been "stuck" in