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Egyptair CAI-SSH-CAI A330 In Horus Class (+pics)  
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Well it was time for my first of several annual trips to the beautiful Red Sea Resort of Sharm El Sheikh. Besides it gave me the chance to fly my favourite airline…EGYPTAIR.

So the day before I planned to go to Sharm El Sheikh, I headed off with a few friends to an Egyptair office in Cairo (in Mohandiseen) to sort out my ticket (my mates had already booked their flights and organised a villa).

Egyptair office
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So after waiting 15 minutes it was my turn to get the ticket. Initially things didn’t look well. The flights I wanted were both fully booked but after a few minutes of the agent typing away at the computer she found me seats in Business (Horus) Class. I didn’t mind and even though the airfare was a bit steep it would help me collect my Egyptair miles and try out MS's C class seat on the new A330-200s.

Route: Cairo International (CAI/HECA) to Sharm El Sheikh Ophira Airport (SSH/HESH)
Flight Number: Egyptair MS127
Equipment: A330-243
Registration: SU-GCF ( http://airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-a330-610.htm )
Flight time: 0 hours 55 minutes
Gate Departure Scheduled/Actual 07:50/07:56 Local Time
Gate Arrival Scheduled/Actual 08:45/08:42 Local Time
Seat: 08K



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The following day we were up pretty early and took a Cairo taxi to the airport. Egyptair operate all their flights out of the recently renovated Terminal 1 (with the exception of their JFK flights which are from T2).

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We arrived at the domestic area at 07:05. We went straight into the terminal, and passed security to get to the check-in area. At the same time 2 flights were also being checked-in (to HRG and LXR). After a swift check-in we were issued with our boarding passes (my mates were in economy and I was in business though…hehe)

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We then went straight to the boarding gate (number 11). This part of T1 is quite new and despite its small size, it’s clean and modern. At the gate a suited man was walking around offering people tea and coffee which is a nice touch which I haven’t seen at any other airport before.

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At 07:25 an announcement was made that boarding would proceed and the busses arrived

So off we got onto the bus to take us to our A330.

Now this is why I like being bussed at an airport (rather than using an airbridge)….you get a ‘tour’ of the airport and ramp activity Big grin

View just before we boarded the bus

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Egyptair A321 being prepared for a flight to HRG.
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A Monarch AB6 leased by Egyptair to cover the Hajj operation (thanks for the information “Onlysmarties”)
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Egyptair A320 with Monarch's nose
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Royal Air Maroc B738. Will be off to Casablanca in little over an hour
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View from the bus. AMC Airline's sole B732 and an Egyptair A320. AMC Airline will be getting the first of 6 brand new B738s (with winglets) in March 2006.
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In the morning sunlight our A330 appears...
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British engines on an Egyptian bird
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Boarding via steps at 07:40
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Egyptair have 7 A330-200s in their fleet (the last one arrived on the 28th of February 2006). A further 7 are expected to be ordered this year. The aircraft are configured with 24C/244Y seats.

I was lucky enough to be on board Egyptair's first A330 flight back in 2004. It was on SU-GCE but it in Y class (which is very nice in its own right). Now here was my chance to try out their Business class product (Horus Class).

At this point I split from my mates as they went to the back of the tube. As soon as I walked in I took a few pictures (I was the 2nd C class pax to board) which attracted the attention of the purser who just smiled.

Once I settled down in my seat she (the purser) walked to my seat and offered me a drink. She then said she saw me taking pictures and I explained my interest in aviation and Egyptair. We got talking and she answered several questions I had about MS which was great (unfortunately I can't go into details of what she said...)

Pics of Horus Class
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At 07:48 as the last passengers were boarding a 5 minute long pre-recorded announcement was made about flying regulations, safety and general advice.

At 07:53 the last passenger boarded and I overheard the purser say that their were 260 passengers on board (Y was full and there were 2 C class seats empty)

As the doors closed the captain came online and welcomed us aboard his aircraft and detailed to us our routing and other flight information like cruising altitude (24,000ft) for the short 40-minute hop to Sharm El Sheikh.

As soon as he finished a F/A came around with hot towels and a choice of fruit juices on a silver tray….nice.

Fresh juice to start your day
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Push back began at 07:56 and the safety announcement was made.

View from window:

A Dash-7 belonging to PAS
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AMC B732, Egyptair B735, Air Sinai B735 and a fleet of Egyptair ground vehicles
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3 PAS Dash aircraft (2 Dash 8s and 1 Dash 7)
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An ex-Egyptair AB6 now with Libyan Arab Airline (TS-IAZ) in one of Egyptair's (oldest) maintenance facilities. The centre will renovated in November 2006.
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An African B707 cargo jet
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4 Egyptian airlines. Air Memphis DC-9 (ex US Airways off course), Luxor Air MD-83, Lotus Air A320 and Midwest Airline A310
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View of T2 with a British Airways B744, Air Cairo A321, Saudi Arabian B772 and Singapore Airlines B773
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Construction of T3 (will open June 2007)
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Turning onto runway 5R
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Take off was the quietest I've experienced. Maybe because of the RR engines or the fact it was a very short flight for an A330.

View of runway 5R and CAI 2 minutes after take off
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After around 20 minutes a meal was served. I was kinda surprised as I was only expecting a drink on this short flight. We had a croissant, a bread roll (+cheese+butter+strawberry/apricot jam), a delicious fruit salad and tea/coffee plus a 'Happy Eid' card.
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All the C seats are equipped with an in-built massage function and PTVs (AVOD). Besides the movies you have audi channels, games channels, World Information channel, SMS/texting facility and Internet (MSYYZ, I hope that was the news you were hoping for  Smile )

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The stewards came around several times offering second helpings as well as tea/coffee. Even though they had to take care of 22 C class passengers they were smiling and extremely helpful.

The Red Sea. What I love about this picture is that it shows the 2 great continents of Africa and Asia in one shot. Sinai (Asia) is at the bottom of the picture and Egypt proper (Africa) at the top.
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After 30 minutes we began our decent

As I was sitting on the right side of the aircraft I got views of the sea, beach and resort. If I was sitting on the left I would have got views of the desert and stunning mountains.

View as we neared the resort
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I present to you Sharm El Sheikh...a world class resort
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The islands in the background are where the more professional divers go
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Besides the sea, the Red Sea resorts are famous for their world class golf courses
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40 seconds before touch down
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Landing was smooth and no thrust reversers were used.

Here is a shot of the sole and current terminal at SSH, along with the control tower and mountain backdrop.
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Here are pictures of the new terminal. It will open June 2006. The terminal's structure is designed with the local scenery in mind
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Russian visitors at the Red Sea including a TU-154 and IL-86
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Finally come to a stand still at 08:42

Just before deboarding I asked the purser if I could visit the cockpit, so she went asked the pilots and came back to escort me to the flight deck where I said hello to the flight crew and we talked a bit about Egyptian aviation. Unfortunately photography is strictly prohibited in Egyptair cockpits so no pictures to show.

As I got off the aircraft I grabbed this picture of the new terminal
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A Eurocypria B738
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Another TU-154 and an Egyptair A321 from Luxor
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A look at our aircraft
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A look back from the bus as we neared the terminal building. On the foreground is the President's domestic aircraft
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A view of the arrival's area (where I was ‘reunited’ with my mates)
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View from outside
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The Air Mall
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The new terminal
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We then picked up a taxi and to take us to the resort

Just outside the airport
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The next few days were spent sunbathing, swimming, snorkelling, diving, quadbiking, sky-diving, parasailing, taking excursions into the desert and Sharm town and loads of other stuff. Sharm El Sheikh is just a piece of heaven on earth and anyone visiting Egypt has to come to this place.

http://www.red-sea-guide.com/
http://www.sharm-el-sheikh.com/
http://www.sharmguide.com/
http://www.sinaidivers.com/


I'll post the return flight later on.


Anyway I hope you all enjoyed the report and all feedback, opinions and questions are welcome!



Horus


EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
25 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2017 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Well done Horus! Interesting to see an Egyptian domestic segment operated with such a large aircraft - and with a meal service too! Yet another reminder of how pathetic our US domestic flights are now.

Thanks for all the pictures of CAI... I've heard it's difficult to get interior photos there, but it doesn't look like you had any trouble at all.  Smile


User currently offlineTUNisia From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1844 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

FINALLY you post this trip report :P

I've been waiting for it for months (or so it seems). Great pictures too. Thanks again! I'll be in Egypt next week  Smile



Someday the sun will shine down on me in some faraway place - Mahalia Jackson
User currently offlineDoor5Right From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 707 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Nice to see somewhere different. I hear Sharm El Sheikh is a nice place to have a holiday.


My soul is in the sky...
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hi Horus,

Excellent trip report, thank you!

Funny that we have two trip reports covering a domestic flight in Egypt in one week now...

MS must have a very good product on the A332. MS is the only full service airline serving Brussels, and surely has an advantage with the A332 over the competition (Air Memphis A320 to Luxor, and the Jetairfly + Thomas Cook charter flights to various Egyptian destinations).

Do you have any idea how MS is doing at Brussels? About 1,5 year ago, it was rumoured that MS would close Brussels due to low yields. However, they started a third weekly service in 2005 (with the start of the summer season if I'm not mistaken).

The competition is fierce however between Belgium and Egypt...

EDIT: I have an additional question: when is MS finally going to offer a good website with decent online booking facilities?

Regards
Frederic

[Edited 2006-03-07 17:27:44]

User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

It is very nice trip report and you provided a good ammount of details to us. Great stuff, Horus! bigthumbsup 

It's good to hear that Egyptair offers a good in-flight service even on a short domestic flights, but there is a question I have. How profitable it is to use a plane as big as A330-200 on such a short flight?



R-E-S-P-E-C-T
User currently offlineLoadsheet From Saudi Arabia, joined Jul 2004, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

fantastic trip report, the only negative thing are the pictures - all nearly 1 MB. but nevermind !

User currently offlineIndio66 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Great report - seems like MS and CAI airport have stepped it up quite a bit since I was last there in fall 99. My last trip was notable in that I was sitting in the first class smoking section on a CAI to Luxor flight.

Got to love those MS widebodies on short domestic routes!


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Great trip report Horus! Their A330s look really nice. I'd like to try them out someday.

I just want to let you know that this thread almost caused my computer to crash.  Smile



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 1):
Well done Horus! Interesting to see an Egyptian domestic segment operated with such a large aircraft - and with a meal service too! Yet another reminder of how pathetic our US domestic flights are now.

Thanks for all the pictures of CAI... I've heard it's difficult to get interior photos there, but it doesn't look like you had any trouble at all. Smile

Reports from this part of the world tend to be scarce so I thought it was a great opportunity for a TR and to 'show off' Egyptair.

As for the photos, I asked permission from the security officials at the airport and they agreed. The heavy military presence at most Egyptian airports makes photography difficult but as long as you have permission from a higher authority than you are covered.

Quoting TUNisia (Reply 2):
FINALLY you post this trip report :P

I've been waiting for it for months (or so it seems). Great pictures too. Thanks again! I'll be in Egypt next week Smile

Hahaha, yeah I was in New Zealand for over a month and didn't have the time to upload the pictures and write the report. Where abouts are you off to in Egypt? If it's the Red Sea then I really hope you make time for Sharm El Sheikh or El Gouna.

And off course I'll be expecting a TR. What airline(s) and routing are you taking?

Quoting Door5Right (Reply 3):
Nice to see somewhere different. I hear Sharm El Sheikh is a nice place to have a holiday.

It really is a fantastic place which I never get bored of. A visit to Egypt wouldn't be complete without it.

Quoting Sabena 690 (Reply 4):
Hi Horus,

Excellent trip report, thank you!

Funny that we have two trip reports covering a domestic flight in Egypt in one week now...

MS must have a very good product on the A332. MS is the only full service airline serving Brussels, and surely has an advantage with the A332 over the competition (Air Memphis A320 to Luxor, and the Jetairfly + Thomas Cook charter flights to various Egyptian destinations).

Do you have any idea how MS is doing at Brussels? About 1,5 year ago, it was rumoured that MS would close Brussels due to low yields. However, they started a third weekly service in 2005 (with the start of the summer season if I'm not mistaken).

The competition is fierce however between Belgium and Egypt...

EDIT: I have an additional question: when is MS finally going to offer a good website with decent online booking facilities?

Regards
Frederic

Demand between Belgium and Egypt has been on the rise for about 2 years now. Hurghada and Sharm El Shiekh are among the top 10 most popular international destinations from BRU (HRG is 2nd and SSH is 10th), which is impressive. Just looking at BRU's daily morning departures shows several (charter) flights to Egypt with A320s, B737s and B767s.

Jetairfly launched scheduled serviceS between BRU and CAI in May 2005 with 2x weekly flights and added a third frequency in November 2005. I think Thomas Cook's service is only a regular charter though.

As for MS and BRU, the third frequency was added in October 2005 but is only a seasonal increase so BRU will go back to 2x weekly this summer. As for how well the route is doing, it's difficult to tell as there are no official publications but I know it is more profitable than AMS. Also considering it was kept in 2004 when 14 destinations (including ZRH, CPH, ARN, HAM and KBP in Europe) were terminated and the fact that a 3rd frequency was added this season would seem to indicate it is a viable/profitable operation. The problem with MS at the moment is lack of aircraft however this is being addressed with 12 new B738s arriving from September and new orders are expected this year.

MS B777 in BRU 2 days ago: http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=455203

As for Egyptair's website, I agree it does need updating. In their November/December 2005 inflight magazine Chairman Atef Abdel-Hamid stated that they were 'working with IBM to launch an enhanced website'. With IATA pushing for all electronic tickets by next year, Egyptair cannot put it on hold for much longer.

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 5):
It is very nice trip report and you provided a good ammount of details to us. Great stuff, Horus! bigthumbsup

It's good to hear that Egyptair offers a good in-flight service even on a short domestic flights, but there is a question I have. How profitable it is to use a plane as big as A330-200 on such a short flight?

Thanks Aleksandar. MS use widebodies on their CAI-LXR-CAI and CAI-SSH-CAI routes due to heavy demand. The shortage of aircraft makes it difficult to increase frequency at the moment but as they get their B738s and as Air Cairo's ATRs arrive things will change. Also the effect of opening up of the domestic market to competition from Egyptian private airlines willl be interesting to watch.

Quoting Loadsheet (Reply 6):
fantastic trip report, the only negative thing are the pictures - all nearly 1 MB. but nevermind !

Thanks a lot. I guess I posted a 'tad' too many pictures but you don't get many reports about Egyptair and Egypt.

Quoting Indio66 (Reply 7):
Great report - seems like MS and CAI airport have stepped it up quite a bit since I was last there in fall 99. My last trip was notable in that I was sitting in the first class smoking section on a CAI to Luxor flight.

Got to love those MS widebodies on short domestic routes!

MS and CAI went through major restructuring in 2004 which has meant many things have changed for the better. As for the widebodies, they use the B777 on the CAI-LXR route too.

Quoting BA (Reply 8):
Great trip report Horus! Their A330s look really nice. I'd like to try them out someday.

I just want to let you know that this thread almost caused my computer to crash. Smile

Keefak ya Zalama! Thanks BA!

Sorry about the pics Big grin My computer just about handled the pictures too when I posted the thread.


Horus



EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlineContact Air From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 1154 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Thanks for this interesting trip report and the great pics (although they really need some computer space  Wink ) I liked reading it a lot, especially as I recently took a domestic flight on Egyptair as well (CAI-ASW but in Economy).

Christoph


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 9):
Sorry about the pics My computer just about handled the pictures too when I posted the thread.

Actually it was partly my fault as well. I had a large 16MB PDF file opened at the same time.

That wasn't a particularly smart move on my behalf. Big grin



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2399 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Hi,OUTSTANDING trip-report... But I have some questions left- maybe you can help me?

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
AMC B732, Egyptair B735, Air Sinai B735 and a fleet of Egyptair ground vehicles

Which one is which? I can only see 2-blue-tail B735?? Hasn't got AIR SINAI on own identity?? which routes are flown?? do they have a web-page??

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
4 Egyptian airlines. Air Memphis DC-9 (ex US Airways off course), Luxor Air MD-83, Lotus Air A320 and Midwest Airline A310

are ALL a/c grounded?? Even the LOTUS A320 is such modern bird among them, but no tail c/s... is it as well in storage??

Lets talk about money... whats the diffrence between an average Economy-tix and a HORUS-Class-tix in $?? is it very expansive to fly??

BTW.: do you know anything about a new charter-airline named "TULIP AIR"- starting with MD83??

chers chriX


User currently offlineChristao17 From Thailand, joined Apr 2005, 938 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Fascinating report; I really enjoy reading about airline operations so far beyond my experiences. The pictures illustrated the story nicely - thanks!

Question: the first picture of the business class seats look like that row possibly doesn't have full recline. The bulkhead behind it seems mighty close. Is that the case, or just the perspective of the picture?

I look forward to reading your next report.



Keeping the "civil" in civil aviation...
User currently offlineShilla From Germany, joined May 2002, 191 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Very interesting report, Horus.

I recently realized that MS Business-Class fares to SE Asia or Africa are really a bargain (around 1050 Euro + Tax FRA-BKK-FRA via CAI). The Business-Class on the A330 looks quite comfortable - what about the "older" B777 ? It´s hard to find any cabin pictures besides those on the (horrible) MS website.


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Contact Air (Reply 10):
Thanks for this interesting trip report and the great pics (although they really need some computer space Wink ) I liked reading it a lot, especially as I recently took a domestic flight on Egyptair as well (CAI-ASW but in Economy).



Quoting BA (Reply 11):
Actually it was partly my fault as well. I had a large 16MB PDF file opened at the same time.

That wasn't a particularly smart move on my behalf. Big grin

The photos, or should I say the amount of photos has caused quite a stir  Smile

Quoting Debonair (Reply 12):
Hi,OUTSTANDING trip-report... But I have some questions left- maybe you can help me?

Quoting Horus (Thread starter):
AMC B732, Egyptair B735, Air Sinai B735 and a fleet of Egyptair ground vehicles

Which one is which? I can only see 2-blue-tail B735?? Hasn't got AIR SINAI on own identity?? which routes are flown?? do they have a web-page??

Thank you Debonair

The B737 on the far left is the Egyptair B735 aircraft (SU-GBH) and the middle one is the Air Sinai B735 aircraft (SU-GBK).

Here are photos:
MS's SU-GBH: http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/7673/p10100191kk.jpg
4D's SU-GBK: http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/6656/p10100218hy.jpg

They both have the same c/s; blue tail and engines. Air Sinai is more of a 'paper airline' and was set up so the national carrier could serve TLV without offending the Arab world. It used to have it's own c/s (on the B732 and Fokker) but with MS's need for more aircraft they now use 4D's B735 on their own network when not used by Air Sinai.

As for Air Sinai's schedule. They have 2x weekly CAI-TLV-CAI flights (increases to 3 this summer) and a weekly SSH-TLV-SSH flight in the summer.

Quoting Debonair (Reply 12):
are ALL a/c grounded?? Even the LOTUS A320 is such modern bird among them, but no tail c/s... is it as well in storage??

Apologise, it's actually Lotus's A319 SU-LBF ( http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/2411/p10100593xu.jpg ). The aircraft is devoid of markings as it has just returned from lease from Helios. It should be painted soon.

The Air memphis DC-9 is still in operation with the airline and is mainly used on the airline's ASW-ABS 'shuttle' service.

The Luxor Air MD-83 is still in operation, but to be honest I know very little about this airline.

The Midwest A310 has been in storage since 2004.

Quoting Debonair (Reply 12):
Lets talk about money... whats the diffrence between an average Economy-tix and a HORUS-Class-tix in $?? is it very expansive to fly??

It really depends on the market and season. On my particular flight, the C class ticket was around 2.5 times more expensive than Y class.

Quoting Debonair (Reply 12):
BTW.: do you know anything about a new charter-airline named "TULIP AIR"- starting with MD83??

No it's the first time I heard of this venture. Do you have a source or any more information? Sun Air, which will be a regional ATR operator ( ATR Back In Egypt (by FCKC Mar 8 2006 in Civil Aviation) ) and Koral Blue, which will be an A320 charter operator will be the newest airlines to grace Egyptian skies this year.

Sun Air and Koral Blue: New Airlines In Egypt (by Horus Jan 15 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting Christao17 (Reply 13):
Fascinating report; I really enjoy reading about airline operations so far beyond my experiences. The pictures illustrated the story nicely - thanks!

Question: the first picture of the business class seats look like that row possibly doesn't have full recline. The bulkhead behind it seems mighty close. Is that the case, or just the perspective of the picture?

I look forward to reading your next report.

Thank you Christao17

The picture is rather deceptive. There is more room between the seat and bulkhead however those seats move forword as they recline to become fully flat beds.

Quoting Shilla (Reply 14):
Very interesting report, Horus.

I recently realized that MS Business-Class fares to SE Asia or Africa are really a bargain (around 1050 Euro + Tax FRA-BKK-FRA via CAI). The Business-Class on the A330 looks quite comfortable - what about the "older" B777 ? It´s hard to find any cabin pictures besides those on the (horrible) MS website.

Thanks Shilla

Yes fares at the moment are pretty good as it's low season.

The C class seats on the A330 are really nice as you say. I tried the B777's C class seat in 2004 (CAI-LHR) and was also pleased however since the A332s have no F class (unlike the B777 and A342) the product has the edge and is newer. And I agree MS's website is in urgent need of an upgrade and thankfully they are working with IBM on it at the moment.


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User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 9):
In their November/December 2005 inflight magazine Chairman Atef Abdel-Hamid stated that they were 'working with IBM to launch an enhanced website'. With IATA pushing for all electronic tickets by next year, Egyptair cannot put it on hold for much longer.

Hi Horus, I managed to read you today  Wink

Was at Brussels this morning, where the November-December 'Horus' was available at the ticketing counter, so I took one with me.

It's a great initiative of Egyptair!

Thanks for your reply by the way...

Regards
Frederic (whose computer still has troubles to load this report due to the heavy pictures  Wink)


User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8506 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Great report & photo's!

The 'C' class cabin looks pretty good, i'm impressed!

Rgds

Mark



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User currently offlineDebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2399 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 15):
Quoting Debonair (Reply 12):
BTW.: do you know anything about a new charter-airline named "TULIP AIR"- starting with MD83??

No it's the first time I heard of this venture. Do you have a source or any more information? Sun Air, which will be a regional ATR operator ( ATR Back In Egypt (by FCKC Mar 8 2006 in Civil Aviation) ) and Koral Blue, which will be an A320 charter operator will be the newest airlines to grace Egyptian skies this year.

Sun Air and Koral Blue: New Airlines In Egypt (by Horus Jan 15 2006 in Civil Aviation)

Yeap, I found your thread and as well this web-page http://www.sunair-eg.com/ (still under construction!).
well, no more informations on "TULIP AIR"- it is reported by a German aviation-magazine (but their sources are not always reliable...)!


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 71
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Splendid dear minion. Splendid!


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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Horus, that has to be one of the best trip reports I've ever read, thanks  Smile

BTW - I took your advice, it worked this time  Wink

I realy do love SSH  Smile

Will the new terminal complex at Sharm feature gates?

What will happen to the current terminal?

I can't wait for the return journey, what aircraft did you return on?

Horus, I would love you to do a trip report on a MS A342 some time  bigthumbsup 

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Quoting Sabena 690 (Reply 16):

Hi Horus, I managed to read you today Wink

Was at Brussels this morning, where the November-December 'Horus' was available at the ticketing counter, so I took one with me.

It's a great initiative of Egyptair!

Thanks for your reply by the way...

Regards
Frederic (whose computer still has troubles to load this report due to the heavy pictures Wink)

Wow, what is a Nov/Dec issue of the magazine doing in BRU in March?

It definitely is a good initiative and as an Egyptair frequent flier, the sooner the facility goes online the better.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 17):
Great report & photo's!

The 'C' class cabin looks pretty good, i'm impressed!

Rgds

Mark

Cheers Mark

Quoting Debonair (Reply 18):
Yeap,rnI found your thread and as well this web-page http://www.sunair-eg.com/rn(still under construction!).
well, no more informations on "TULIP AIR"- it is reported by a German aviation-magazine (but their sources are not always reliable...)!

Well I haven't heard anything about "Tulip Air" even after a search and talking to a couple of Egyptian pilots I know. If you do get more information Debonair, I would really appreciate you keeping me in the loop. Thanks

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 19):
Splendid dear minion. Splendid!

Now that I've got your seal of approval.... Cheers Alex

Quoting B742 (Reply 20):
Horus, that has to be one of the best trip reports I've ever read, thanks Smile

BTW - I took your advice, it worked this time Wink

I realy do love SSH Smile

Will the new terminal complex at Sharm feature gates?

What will happen to the current terminal?

I can't wait for the return journey, what aircraft did you return on?

Horus, I would love you to do a trip report on a MS A342 some time bigthumbsup

Rob! wave

Was waiting for your response!

When I first read up on the new terminal it said they would have airbridges, but they don't seem to show on the renderings of the terminal.

The current terminal will continue to be used by other operators.

My return trip was also on SU-GCF (the luck eh). Since it was a night flight I only took 5 pictures. I'm not sure if I should post them though  Smile

As for the A342, I've only flown it once (CAI-JED). Since their using it on 2 of their LHR flights this summer I hope to try it out.



Anyway thank you for everyone's responses so far.


Horus



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User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3149 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Thanks a lot for this detailed report!
I flew out of CAI today (on SU-GCH to DXB), but didn't dare to take any pix. I was very tempted though, especially on the ramp when we drove by Jordan 737, Luxor MD-80, ex-Qatar 747SP and Tigris 727...
I agree, the revamped T1 is quite good, especially the area upstairs.
I found the service on MS decent, but not outstanding.
After takeoff from 05L we made a right turn, and if I had sat at the window instead of 11H, I would have been able to take a super aerial shot of the airport, as it was a very clear morning. Too bad!
Well, maybe next time, I'll have at least one more trip to CAI this year.



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User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1916 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 32767 times:
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Good report! Its nice to see Egyptair's new A330-200 in service. I flew Egyptair a few times about 10 years ago on their 747-200, A300-600, and 737-500. I found the airline to be very nice. Good pics from the cabin and out of the windows.

User currently offlineMSYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 851 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Great report indeed Horus , finally i uploaded your full report without my computer crashing . When you first posted it , i didn't have the chance to comment .
It looks like MS has a wonderful product to offer on their Business class , i would like to try their C class once ( may be from YUL ) .



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 25, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 32767 times:

Thanks Fly-K and 767747

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 24):
Great report indeed Horus , finally i uploaded your full report without my computer crashing . When you first posted it , i didn't have the chance to comment .
It looks like MS has a wonderful product to offer on their Business class , i would like to try their C class once ( may be from YUL )

Cheers MSYYZ. I was starting to wonder where you were. And yes the C/Horus Class product is really good. When I flew on the inaugural MS A332 flight in 2004 I was in economy and I as impressed too. The dark blue interior looks professional and the legroom is as always impressive (33"-34").


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