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Flight Over The Alps (LUG-GVA) - Video And Many Pics  
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10022 times:

Hello everyone!

After my 1000th post dedicated to My Super Constellation trip and my 1500th one to my the TLS Airbus trip , I
decided my 2000th post would be my trip report from Lugano to GVA . it took place today , March 20th 2006!

Here is a map of my journey In blue the train rides, in purple the approximate flight path
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g47/yunanniman5/map.jpg

I flew Darwin airline, a relatively new Swiss airline based in Lugano. On their website they showed very attractive prices and I was able to find a ticket
for only 75 Swiss francs all taxes included(48€,58$). I therefore didn't lose any time to book a ticket. It meant flying a new airline, the SAAB 2000 for the first time and thus my
first commefical flight on a turboprop, to get to know another Swiss airport and especially to have a panoramic flight over the alps. I booked a month ago and decided this day ,one because its cheaper on a monday and second because I went to som database that shows
an archive of weather in Switzerland in March for the last 15 years and the 20 th of March seemed to bee the sunniest day of all. I wasn't
disappointed because the weather was just fine.

I woke up at 5:45 a.m, took a shower, had breakfast and went to catch my train at my local station, Nyon .



Here is the train I took.



to go to Lugano I had to take a big detour through Zurich because for taking the short way there wasn't a train that left early enough to arrive early for my flight! In ZRH I would change trains to go to Lugano. here are pictures from
the first train I was in


City of Neuchatel

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h146/yunanniman2/3.jpg



Lac de Bienne/Bielersee

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h146/yunanniman2/4.jpg


At around 9a.m I got to Zurich main station and just had time to change trains. It was full but thankfully I got a window seat. Here are
some pictures of what I saw.


Frozen lake close to Zug

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h146/yunanniman2/5.jpg




Vierwaldstattersee( Lake of 4 cantons)

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h146/yunanniman2/6.jpg

After passing the gotthard tunnel i finally arrived in canton Ticino, in the Italian speaking part of Switzerland
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h146/yunanniman2/7.jpg


Finally, after a 5h30 long trip I arrived in Lugano, where it was sunny and warm... Lugano is a beautiful city but unfortunately I had a flight to take so i wasn't able to stay for long.I however took this panoramic picture
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h146/yunanniman2/8.jpg




I still had to reach the airport. I therefore took a train from Lugano to go to Agno, the town where the airport is located! . Whilst I was in the train we passed really close to the airport, and had
a general view of it as you can see on the picture.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/yunanniman3/9.jpg


Two stations before Agno we stopped at this place right behind the runway...amazing !

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/yunanniman3/10.jpg

Agno train station I had to walk about 10 minutes till the airport.I arrived there well ahead of time. Its was a very small and quiet airport.
Here you have a view of the main terminal

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/yunanniman3/11.jpg


I still had around 30 min to wait before check in so went for lunch at this snackbar outside of the terminal. the weather was great though getting a bit cloudy! I therefore ate my lunch outside on this bench where you had a view of the apron.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/yunanniman3/12.jpg



This Saab 2000 just came in from GVA as you can see a woman is entering the aircraft with a vacuum cleaner

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/yunanniman3/13.jpg


Check -in started at 1:30 pm. I was the second person to check in and got what I wanted ...A window seat!I still has 30 min left before embarking so i went back to the same sport i had lunch in and here is what i saw

This Saab 2000 which has just arrived from ZRH
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/yunanniman3/14.jpg


http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/yunanniman3/15.jpg

30 mintues later I was ready to embark...went to the customs(werid for a domestic flight!)and only waited 10 minutes in the embarkement gate
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g299/yunanniman3/16.jpg






Airline:Darwin Airline
Gate:1
Aircraft:Saab 2000
Registration:HB-IZG
Seat:02F
Origin:Lugano(LUG)
Destination:Geneva (GVA)
Date:March 20th
Time of departure: 14:15(on time)
Time of arrival:14:55
Load Factor:40%


I was the second person to get on board!

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h303/yunanniman4/17.jpg


It didn't take long before the doors were closed



The safety instructions were given and as we taxied we were served refreshing towels.





It took 3 minutes before we were ready to depart. I was getting really impatient to fly.

You can see the video of the takeoff by clicking here ( sorry for the image. The plane was bumpier than I expected!)

As you can see, takeoff was quick and we left Lugano airport behind us very quickly.
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h303/yunanniman4/21.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h303/yunanniman4/22.jpg

Luckily the weather was clear so I had an excellent view of the alps

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h303/yunanniman4/23.jpg


A few minutes after we were airborne, the stewardesses started serving drinks and a sandwich. It wasn't one of those sandwiches where they
just put a piece of ham with no butter. It was a sandwich with good bread and a generous amount of Italian prosciutto. The glass I was served in was actually glass and not plastic.
We later got the opportunity to take more sandwich and chocolate weas served before landing. for such a small hop i can only say one thing.
Service was EXCELLENT !
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g47/yunanniman5/26.jpg
Unfortunately for the view, the sky got cloudier and cloudier as we got close to GVA. Here are one of the few shots I could take where we saw the alps


http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h303/yunanniman4/24.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g47/yunanniman5/27.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g47/yunanniman5/25.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g47/yunanniman5/28.jpg

Since this was a short hop we very son started our descent into GVA. We were getting closer and closer to the layer of clouds and there was a slight turbulence for about a minute!
all of a sudden we could see Lake Leman(Lake Geneva) below us . This picture shows Thonon -les-bains with the sun shining on it
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g47/yunanniman5/29.jpg

This other one shows my hometown Nyon
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g47/yunanniman5/30.jpg.

The flight was then a straight line as we approached GVA. Its incredible how quick I got back to GVA after the long train ride
town of Versoix
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g47/yunanniman5/31.jpg

The aircraft finally arrived well in GVA with a very smooth touchdown. We arrived safely at 2:55pm after this rather short 35 minute hop and traffic wasn't too important in Geneva!
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g47/yunanniman5/32.jpg

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g47/yunanniman5/33.jpg


My flight from Lugano to GVA was over...too bad it was so quick, but really worthwhile. At the moment i'm writing this report its been only 3 hours I've been back and I still ccan't believe what an incredible day i've had.

For all of you who live close to Switzerland , this flight is a MUST and I recommend you Darwin airline which was an excellent surprise.

My next flight... GVA-MAD on april 14th to go join my girlfriend !!!

[Edited 2006-03-20 19:55:13]


A man without the knowledge of his past history,culture and origins is like a tree without roots
27 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineA330Fan1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 856 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9996 times:

vn tr! excellent pics. i love switzerland, i think it's one of the most beautiful places...my favorite is lucerne!

User currently offlineAirbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4253 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9991 times:

Hi

nice report. It seems Darwin Airline offer reasonable fares within Switzerland, although it has only been a short flight. Anyway, from what I saw on your enclosed pictures, you really had a great flight, on a great aircraft with some outstanding views! I've flown the Saab 2000 myself 2 years back on LX, and found it a very convenient airliner, good seat pitch, not very noisy inside, and excellent Swiss service (although there was rather any food/beverage service).

Have some nice dreams tonight after this exciting day for you Big grin

Eric



"The whole world steps aside for the man who knows where he is going"
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9979 times:

Quoting Airbuseric (Reply 2):
Have some nice dreams tonight after this exciting day for you Big grin

thanks a lot...just for the info I've added a map of my journey to illustrate better the places I've mentioned



A man without the knowledge of his past history,culture and origins is like a tree without roots
User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2899 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9953 times:

Now this must have been fun! The Saab 2000 is definitely my favourite prop, and I wanted to try Darwin (operated for LX) on ZRH-LUG in January. Unfortunately this plan didn't come true and I flew ZRH-GVA instead, but now in the retrospective it was a good decisission because LUG was closed for snow that day:

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Photo © Marco Pianca - airphototicino



Service looks excellent, Darwin must be the re-birth of Crossair. And your fare was incredibly cheap - may I ask, wouldn't it have been much more convenient (and possibly not even more expensive) to fly GVA-LUG and back LUG-GVA instead of taking that train tour through Switzerland?

Great report and pics, thanks for sharing!
Regards, Alex.


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9941 times:

Quoting Ndebele (Reply 4):

Service looks excellent, Darwin must be the re-birth of Crossair. And your fare was incredibly cheap - may I ask, wouldn't it have been much more convenient (and possibly not even more expensive) to fly GVA-LUG and back LUG-GVA instead of taking that train tour through Switzerland?

Great report and pics, thanks for sharing!
Regards, Alex.

Well I have the general pass for Swiss trains. 200 fr a month and I can travel as much as want throughout the country(very useful as I alawys travel to train to UNI).It was thus much cheaper for me by by train . I therefor took the train to make my pass profitable and to have the opportunity to look at some countryside I haven't seen for a while. Plus I wanted to be even more satisfied by the fact it took so long to get there and with the SAAB 2000 it took so short!

The SAAB 2000 is definitely a great bird !

[Edited 2006-03-20 20:22:11]


A man without the knowledge of his past history,culture and origins is like a tree without roots
User currently offlineMalmoaviation From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 385 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 9933 times:

Great! Big grin Nice that those SAAB 2000 is still used, they were a Small disaster for Saab..  Sad The airline looks good, as the service looks good to. I might take a tour down to the Swiss alps and chocolate (LOVE IT!) some day, and I hope I'll get on a Darwin flight.

User currently offlineOldman55 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1524 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 9894 times:

Great report! Wonderful pics especially from the train. Pictures from airplanes are great but those beautiful close-up pics from the train are hard to beat.


too bad most of us get too soon old and too late smart
User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9773 times:

Apparently Zurich to Lugano is a nice flight.

User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1915 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 9764 times:
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great report! Wow, drinks in a glass on a regional flight! What good service!

User currently offlineDens From Switzerland, joined Sep 2001, 309 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9682 times:

Hello,

Very nice trip Report!
I have to try to fly from LUG to GVA.

Thanks a lot!

BTW, did you see some cities in Valais (Sion for example?)


User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9668 times:

Great report ! I can also recommend you to fly INTO Lugano one day. I flew GVA-LUG on FlyBaboo DHC-8 and the approach was spectacular, circling and turning in between the mountains and dropping into the airport. When leaving LUG you leave the mountains fairly quick behind you.


nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlineHBDAN From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 661 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 9668 times:

Hi RoostAir!

You did a great trip report! As I am from Lugano I feel proud to see that Darwin Airline made it to enter A.net trip report! I've already flown them on the LUG-ZRH route but it's on behalf of LX, so I will try their own service on the LUG-FCO next month... looking forward to it!

I think you really succeded in showing how nice this route is, and with this report you give an overview on a regional airport like LUG with only some 200'000 pax a year. I really hope to see more reports on regional routes/airports/aircraft!

Welcome to my respected user list!

Regards,
HBDAN



Next flight: hopefully soon...
User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 9660 times:

Inspiring report !
Should be a great route to fly in summer !

I was just checking out www.darwinairline.com and they have quite interesting offers:
A mid-week same-day return BRN - LCY - BRN (with 9h in London) is available in May 2006 for 362 CHF (230 EUR / 280 USD) ...
-HT



Carpe diem ! Life is too short to waste your time ! Keep in mind, that today is the first day of the rest of your life !
User currently offlineLX001 From Austria, joined Jun 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 9492 times:

Very nice report and great photos!!!
At the time when swiss did this flight, there where some topics about the Saab200 which wasn´t safe for the flight to Lugano (something because of the montains and the climb or descend performance). This topic was forced by the Swiss Skyguide...
Does someone knows news about this? How was it solvend?
Bruno


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9388 times:

Quoting Dens (Reply 10):
BTW, did you see some cities in Valais (Sion for example?)

No by the time I got in mid valais it was cloudy

Quoting HBDAN (Reply 12):
As I am from Lugano I feel proud to see that Darwin Airline made it to enter A.net trip report!

Darwin airline deserves all my respect! Whilst some airlines offer no service or pay service on 3-4 hour long routes, Darwin airline makes an excellent effort on their small hops

Quoting HBDAN (Reply 12):
Welcome to my respected user list!

Thanks

Quoting LX001 (Reply 14):
Lugano (something because of the montains and the climb or descend performance). This topic was forced by the Swiss Skyguide...

In Darwin airline website , it says that they made a very long evaluation and concluded that the Saab 2000 was the best airplane for Lugano's traffic, geocgraphic location and runway length.

Quoting HBDAN (Reply 12):
I've already flown them on the LUG-ZRH route but it's on behalf of LX,

How was the service there ?



A man without the knowledge of his past history,culture and origins is like a tree without roots
User currently offlineAviationmaster From Switzerland, joined Oct 1999, 2479 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9372 times:

Nice to see that you had a nice day! Awsome trip report and thanks for the nice pictures!  bigthumbsup 

User currently offlineLH459 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9274 times:

Very nice report, and beautiful photos of Switzerland. The Vierwaldstaettersee is actually called Lake Luzern in English, but that's just a minor detail.  Smile
My great aunt lived in Lugano when I was a boy, and I took the train down from Basel many times, so your photos showed some familiar places that I haven't seen in years!
I agree that Darwin looks like the reincarnation of Crossair. Glad to see the "Concordinos" are still flying around Switzerland!  Smile The Saab 2000 is my favorite turbo-prop, by far.



"I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is temporary; the evil it does is permanent" - Ghandi
User currently offlineHBDAN From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 661 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9211 times:

Quoting LX001 (Reply 14):
At the time when swiss did this flight, there where some topics about the Saab200 which wasn´t safe for the flight to Lugano (something because of the montains and the climb or descend performance). This topic was forced by the Swiss Skyguide...
Does someone knows news about this? How was it solvend?

At the moment the situation isn't that clear... In fact the Saab2000 should land at LUG with a descent grade smaller than 6 degrees. Due to the pre-alps, it is impossible to find an approach which satify it. Nowadays Darwin is landing with 6 degrees when landing from south, but with nearly 7 when landing from North. FOCA (Federal Office of Civil Aviation) and Lugano Airport agreed to postpone by one year the deadline of the no go for approaches over 6 degrees, so that the problem is still there, but the Saab 2000 is landing.

 relieved  ...not that easy to explain with my english...

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 15):
How was the service there ?

"Thank you for flying with Swiss" written in white letters and with red background on the paper that cover the little chocolate! On the LUG-ZRH Darwin is the lessor of a wet lease agreements, so the service level is decided by LX. I have also flown this route after LX reintroduced its service on board for economy and still we only got the small chocolate piece. No drinks.

Quoting LH459 (Reply 17):
I agree that Darwin looks like the reincarnation of Crossair

Darwin is of course very similar to the good old Crossair. The problem for Darwin is that they have only one "hub". the Crossair model was based on connection flights, which for Darwin are difficult to offer (they are trying it on the GVA-LUG-FCO, GVA-LUG-CAG, GVA-LUG-OLB, LUG-BRN-LCY, LUG-FCO-south of Italy in codeshare with AirOne,...). The best results registered by Crossair were on their LUG-BSL connections... wonder why there is still nobody on this route... Oh yes, no swiss regional airline in BSL...

Regards,
HBDAN



Next flight: hopefully soon...
User currently offlineAlphafloor From Chile, joined Jun 2004, 1277 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 9015 times:

As usual, very nice and well photographed report Braulio ! I'm glad you had a good time ! I'm really looking forward for your next trip report to MAD.

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
went to som database that shows
an archive of weather in Switzerland

Which database did you checked ?

Saludos,
Alejandro



Whatever
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week ago) and read 8937 times:

Quoting Alphafloor (Reply 19):
Which database did you checked ?

Gracias Alejandro.... the database is


oh and of course a trip report bout our trip to amsterdam next august... see you take care



A man without the knowledge of his past history,culture and origins is like a tree without roots
User currently offlineJumbo747 From New Zealand, joined Apr 2006, 57 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8040 times:

Great report. Have you flown Swiss air short or long haul or both. How is their service like. Thanks.

User currently offlineTurkishWings From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1441 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7915 times:

Excellent report  bigthumbsup 

I actually got quite emotional all of a sudden. I lived in Switzerland for 3 years. Studied in Luzern for 2 years and had two 6-month internships in GVA. The scenery, Alps, towns you passed by or flew over were so familiar. You took me back to those good old days. I know many people find Switzerland rather dull but they just don't know. I wouldn't mind spending the rest of my life there  cry 



Coffee - Tea or Me?
User currently offlineNonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1291 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7904 times:

My friend and I are due to come to Switzerland on the 10th of June. We are planning on taking a train to Geneva with the additional possibility of a boat ride on the lake. We were actually thinking of visiting Nyon with its Roman features. Your photos prove that this is a spectacular country. I hope the weather is good for us when we get there. Great trip report--having a window seat is ideal in these situations.

User currently offlineFireFly From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 7490 times:

I was last in Switzerland nearly 2 decades ago, and it is a country I truly miss. When my boys are a little older, I will take them to that beautiful country! Until then, thanks for the great photos and re-awakened memories...


"Bury me at sea, boys; where no murdered ghosts can haunt me" MacGowan
25 ZKSUJ : Excellent pics. The alps look beautiful, must have been great seeing them at a low level (I only saw them from an SQ 744 at higher levels on descent i
26 Infodesk : Excellent report and so many fantastic pictures, thanks!
27 Post contains links RootsAir : Thanks everyone. Read my newest trip report about a panoramic flight on the Super Connie Panoramic Flight On SuperConstellation(w Pics+vid) (by RootsA
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