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NYC-FRA-NYC. 1st Report, 1st Flight In 13yr (Pics)  
User currently offlinePianist718 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 15 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11092 times:

This is my first trip report.
By the way, this was also my first flight in the last 13 years.

All the pictures are taken by my new Canon SD600 (I'm still learning modes)

Continental Airlines
Flight CO50 Newark (NYC) - FRA
Boeing 767-400ER
Seat 45k (Yea I know it sucks)
Dept. 7:30 PM
Arrival 9:20 AM
Flight Duration 7 Hours 15 Minutes
Load Factor: est: at 97% front and back.

Well ... my seats were really bad (just my luck) When I tried to fake a story and ask to be seated at the first class, my story didn't fly.

I took this vacation to visit my relatives whom I have not seen in 13 years (we were very close). To my surprise I was not too afraid to fly. I just wanted to get away, you know?

I arrived at the airport 2 hours before take off. The security was pretty fast. Total time maybe 20 minutes. They made us take our shoes off but I didn't mind. As we walked to our gate I sat near the window to take few photos.

Here is our plane

The terminal was fairly crowded and the plane was on time for boarding.

Since I knew that I'll be doing my trip report here I took few more shots of the terminal and the planes.

We started boarding the plane on time. Since my seat was all the way back in the plane .... we were given the priority to board right after the business class boarded.

As we are seated I decided to take few shots of the cabin. Everyone had TVs. Great now it won't be too boring.  

I saw many people here take pictures of the leg room, so here you go. 45K (all the way in the back and it's pretty OK)

Boarding was pretty quick. Or maybe it's just me first time flying in 13 years and too much excitement to keep track of time.

The weather was bad (light rain), so I couldn't take any good quality pictures.

Take off was loud, shaky and unpleasant. I think it was because we were all the way in the back. I felt the pressure with every 1,000 feet. As always a hard turn to follow after take off. Is it ever a straight fly off the runway?

The meal was served shortly after take off. About 20 minutes into the flight.
Did someone say that stewardess are supposed to be good looking? Not on Continental. (pardon my male pigness)  

2 of them actually looked like my high school nurses (in a bad way). But overall they had smiles on their faces. I can't say that they were too pleasant. To tell you the truth I expected a better service from the airline that I see advertise 24/7. "Continental : Work Hard, Flight Right" or "Continental : Why you fly is your business, how you fly is ours" (Being a Marketing Manager, I like the last slogan)

Anyway ... sorry I didn't take the pictures of our dinner. It was actually pretty OK for an airplane I guess. They offered Chicken or Beef.

After flying for about 4-5 hours or so they announced that we'll be moving into the daylight ours, so we might want to shut the shutters (on the windows).

Unfortunately we didn't hear too much communication from the captains. Just some standard things like (flight attendants take your seats for lift off. and daylight hours. Also they told us the weather at FRA is good and the duration of the flight)

Oh .... here is a funny story. Before take off they started showing the Safety Video. In the middle of the video as they are showing how to put the air mask on, the screens go BLANK. And out of nowhere, in the 3 seconds of silence, a young 20 year old guy screams ... "so what do we do then???" Believe me, this was funny. The entire half of the plane laughed.

Ok here is us moving into the daylight hours. By the way ... on our right there was another plane. Pretty interesting for air traffic.

I looked at this thing for a long time, especially after 5 hours of flying. Suddenly it was no fun any more.  

Here we're almost ready to land. Weather is nice, but there are some clouds.

And here we landed.

To tell you the truth ... the landing I guess could be better. It was a little harsh but no big deal. Here are some pictures of us being taxied to our gate.

And .... FRA airport.

We got out of it pretty fast. Got our luggage and were greeted by people we didn't see for a long, long time. Great reunion I'd say.

Few photos of Germany (Dortmund)

As we finished our 8 day stay in Dortmund, Germany we were ready to go back to USA. I'll tell you the truth ... I was ready to go back to USA after 4 days. No offense to any country or nationality, but I like it here.

Continental Airlines
Flight CO51 FRA - Newark (NYC)
Boeing 767-400ER
Seat 23K (I had to ask for this seat)
Dept. 11:20 AM
Arrival 2:05 PM
Flight Duration 8 Hours 20 Minutes
Load Factor: est: at 85% front and back.

Once again, here is FRA airport and our plane being ready to board.

I think this was Lufthansa landing. This will be no surprise, but they are huge there. I actually heard that they were a very, very good airline.

Here we finally boarded the plane as we are seated on the wing. I heard these were good seats ... I guess I'd see in 10 minutes.

Another photo from the window of a plane landing.

The boarding was fast. This time we started entering the plane from the nose, so we say the Business Class of Continental Airlines. Yea .... much better than 45K. The seats were 40% wider and there was much more room there. The rich folks were already seated complaining of not getting their watter in 15 seconds. (I overheard one guy with his laptop being a bit nasty) But you know for paying $4,000 one way ticket, he can be a bit of a jerk.

As we started "driving" to our take off road or whatever we call it I took more pictures. Total time to destination for take off was about 7 minutes. Pretty far from the gate.

I wish I had a better camera and a stable shot. This would be a great picture.

Finally the take off.

...and a hard turn.

This take off was actually better than the first. I felt less pressure and it was not as noisy. I guess there is a difference between 45K and 23K.

Once again ... the food was served about 20-30 minutes into the flight. And again ... no pictures of the food. BUT the food again was pretty good I guess.

Flying back was less fun thought. First of all it was now 1 hour more than coming into FRA. Also there was a lot of turbulence. We had to buckle our seat belts 5-6 times through out the flight. It was not too pleasant, BUT no one fell and I guess it was not THAT bad. I heard worse stories before.

After 6-7 hours of flying ... ALMOST THERE!

...yet ... people are sleeping.

We're almost at the Newark airport and the weather is awful. Can't see a thing and we're at about 5,000 feet now.

Almost landing.

... and we landed.

After the landing, I'll try to fly other airlines. ........ Landing was hard. I thought the airplane would break. The baggage on the top was close to falling on us. Bottom line ... this was not a good landing. Apologies? No ... the captain didn't say a thing.

And that's it.

P.S. ......... On the way back, at 34,000 Feet the pilot came on and said ... "We have a bit of an issue" .... not something you want to hear at 34,000 feet in the air. ........ He continues .... Channels 4 and 5 at seats 4K and 5K in business class will not be working. &%&&%#^@%#$&#*$

Hopefully I have not offended anyone. And if I did ... you know what they say...?

"In America, every one has the right to get offended"
"If you have not offended anyone by 2pm, you're probably not doing much" (this is for business folks)

But seriously ... I hope this was interesting to you. Thanks for reading. I'd feel good seeing replies to this trip report.

[Edited 2006-04-29 19:42:08]

26 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2741 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11012 times:

So what was your overall impression of CO? You didn't seem too happy about the outbound flight.

[Edited 2006-04-29 20:44:24]

User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10983 times:

The legroom on the CO 767 is good; 32". But on the B777 I was told it is 31" and one feels the difference.

By the way you are very funny. Thanks for making me laugh.

User currently offlineAir380 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10918 times:

Man you were lucky, good weather in FRA! Do you know how often I flew into FRA and did not see a thing aside from clouds! Nice pics of Fra and Germany, thank you!

User currently offlineTmarch291 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 147 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10841 times:

Great trip report.

I bet air travel has changed a lot from thirteen years ago!

User currently offlinePianist718 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10834 times:

... yea, not too excited about CO but to say the truth I can't compare it to anything right now. The only thing I didn't like was .... landing. Everything else is OK.

13 years ago I flew on a 747 in Business class (pure luck)

Thanks for the comments.

User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1672 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10627 times:

Nice read, I have one question though, you don't have to answer if it's too personal- why haven't you flown anywhere in 13 years? I assume since you are based in NY, you can take trains and buses around the northeast without a need for flying... that's my guess, at least. Also, good to see another pianist on here, I've played for the last 12 years, though with college I haven't had the time to play it nearly as often as I would like.

User currently offlineXjramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2511 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10620 times:

Show me a plane that does a great landing, and I will show you a bad one from the same airline. They don't need to apologize, especially if there was bad weather.

But other than that, great report. I just flew CO today, so I know how good their service is.


Look ma' no hands!
User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10557 times:

Good Trip Report. I have two questions. What made you feel like going back
home to the U.S. after only four days in Dortmund? And on which Airline's 747 did you travel 13 years ago?

Salute: Markus

They loved to fly and it showed..
User currently offlineKL642 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 350 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10518 times:

A very good trip report. I like your sense of humor!

User currently offlinePianist718 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 10400 times:

No, it's nothing too personal. I just didn't really go anywhere that was too far to fly. Well .... I wish I flew to Miami and not drove 16 hours.  Smile Regarding Piano ... I do it for myself also. All ear.

I know that landings can be difficult. My VP in our company was telling a story how their JetBlue plane landed so bad that all the oxygen masks dropped. The pilot came on and apologized for the bad landing. He said that the tower made a mistake telling him that he had another 10 feet under him. (strange)

When you're in the country where you can't speak or understand a word ... it kind of gets to you. Plus unfortunately, Germans are not too happy to see tourists and many of them do comment. It's unfortunate, really. I went to Germany only because my relatives are there. If I wanted to see Europe, the first place I'd go would be Italy . then UK.

I don't remember what airline that was. I was only 11.

KL642 .... thanks for the comments.

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 10173 times:

Nice report and photos. Continental has a decent, consistent product, but I agree, the cabin crew are generally less than friendly. That is of course, I think an industry standard, at least in the US, unless you are flying JetBlue. I fly Continental regularly and on all my recent flights (EWR-AMS-EWR, EWR-SJO-EWR), the crew hardly smile, rarely are attractive, and remind me of the type of service you used to get on Continental in the early 1990's when the carrier was on the brink of insolvency. Still, they do offer a better product than other legacy airlines in the US.

The 767-400 is an awesome airplane. Continental has outfitted those really well.


User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3213 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10062 times:

Great trip report! Nice clear pictures too!


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User currently offlineFutureUALpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2642 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 10044 times:

Good report, but dont judge an airline on the landings. Ive had many a rough landing on severaln airlines. They dont reflect the quality of the airline. CO is one of the better US legacy carriers though...I dont know what you were expecting from them.

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User currently offlinePianist718 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9837 times:

Oh ... CO is one of the better ones from the US airlines, I am sure. This is why I chose Continental and not Delta. ... But I heard that Lufthansa and few others are much better.

One important thing I left out ...... the condition of the interior of the CO 767 is excellent. Seats are very comfortable and clean. After 8 hours of flying and only 1 short bathroom visit, I can't complain much about the seats.

User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2131 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9712 times:
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Nice report and pics! I flew on a Continental 767-400 in 2003 to Manchester, England, and found the aircraft to be quite nice. The rough landings could be due to the sheer length of the aircraft.

I love to fly!
User currently offlineBritish767 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 284 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9486 times:

Interesting report to read but I must say something about this...

Quoting Pianist718 (Thread starter):
Bottom line ... this was not a good landing. Apologies?

You still landed though! Also, I'd say there's no reason to blame CO for the landing, I wouldn't say there's a need to avoid flying them just because you had a hard landing.

User currently offlinePianist718 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 9222 times:

British767 ..... yea, you right ... we landed, that's a good thing already.

I will fly to PUJ next and I am sure I'll pick CO over AA, or should I try AA?

User currently offlineBoeingfanyyz From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 9123 times:

Quoting Pianist718 (Thread starter):
on our right there was another plane

I'd like to know the airline, airplane, registration, destination, origin, captain, first officer, number of flight attendants, flight attendants names, number of passengers, flight level, cruising speed, VSI, heading, next waypoint, follwing waypoint, ETA, ETE, number of baggage items, name of passenger in 73D as well as 47F.

For my personal database.

Boeingfanyyz  airplane 

"If it aint boeing, it aint going!", "Friends are like condoms...they protect you when things get hard!"
User currently offlinePianist718 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8628 times:

haha ... Boeingfanyyz ... good one.

I spoke to my VP in the company ... he said they landed once and the landing was so hard that the masks flew down. The pilot then apologized saying that the tower made a mistake telling him he had 10 more feet to go. Interesting huh?"

User currently offlineUsair320 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 991 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7973 times:

Pianist718 hate to break it to ya but the pilot of your friends flight is full of S***.As a Student pilot based at a controlled airport you are responsiple for your altitude not the Tower. But hey cant balme the guy for trying to protect himself

User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7932 times:

Maybe the altimeter setting was out of date and that was the pilot's way of explaining it to passengers? Just a thought.

User currently offlineKgfive From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7630 times:

Enjoyed your report and good pics too. I have flown CO many times mainly GLA-EWR-MCO ( OR TPA ) and seems they always have Chicken or Beef. I had gathered a few OnePass miles since first flying CO in 1996 and the last 2 trips I made I cashed in my miles and travelled in Business/First  Big grin but I never complained when my Rum & Coke did not arrive in 15 secs or moan about the icecream being too cold...I just sat back and enjoyed evey alcohol filled mile  drunk  . Most of the F/A's I have come across were very pleasent but alas one or two were from the " why the hell am I a F/A" school. On one flight it was New Year's eve 2003/04 and one F/A did try and have a party feeling, but apart from her inital wearing of 2004 glasses the flight passed uneventful....at least do a roll at midnight lol .....could have been any night of the year..anyway I hopefully will suceed in posting her pic. Down side to CO from GLA is the 757, used to be 767 which had way more space and for me it's back to "cattle class" and Chicken or Beef and waiting for the drinks trolley

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User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6383 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 7376 times:

I flew DL from ATL to FRA back in December and going into FRA there was nothing to be seen until about 2 minutes before landing. So you got lucky that Frankfurt had nice weather when you got there, because of the 2 weeks that I spent in Europe last winter Germnay had clouds and snow all the time I was there. But hey it was Winter, and I enjoyed seeing the snow- at least in France and Belgium the sun showed his face. Coming back from FRA to JFK New York was so cloudy and foggy that we didnt see the runway until the moment we touched down- kind of fun to not be able to see when you land.
Hope you enjoyed your time in Deutschland and good trip report.

Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineTurbo7x7 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6782 times:

Pianist, for what it's worth, this past April I flew from Rome back to Newark on CO with the same aircraft model, a B767-400. I also found the landing to be hard. From what I've read in the past on this board, it seems the "stretch" versions of the 767 (including the 767-300) have a rep for hard landings so we can't blame CO too much  Wink I also found these 767-400s very nice and the 9 hour flight home was endurable, even slept for 3 hours which surprised me!

25 Post contains images KLM685 : Great Trip report! Congratulations on that and the pictures! I see you were very excited after 7 years without flying ( did you said cheers without al
26 Alphafloor : Excellent trip report and nice read ! You're a funny guy Pianist. ...the landing was THAT hard ?? 'Sorry ladies and gentlemens for the hard landing...
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