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BA LHR-JFK & Back Kosher Club World  
User currently offlineTLVFred From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11092 times:

This is my first post so a bit of leeway guys!

Travelling on Business to NY with a colleague (he a BA Gold member - me a puny Blue), for a few days, we opted for BA against my usual VS as he has Gold status.

BA183
LHR-JFK
Scheduled 2030
744
60J Top Deck.

Drove to LHR from Elstree in Herts via the Magic Roundabout and got to T4 in 40 mins in peak time which is a personal best. Arrived 2 1/2 hrs before and got one of those guys who meet you there and disappear with you car for a few days! £30 for 4 days is brilliant.

Checked in at BA First desk as my mate's gold card helps although both WT and CW lines were deserted. Must be quiet in T4 on a Thursday 6pm.

Check in took 3 mins and through security in 2 mins (thanks to fast track). Wondering why we checked in so early.

A bit of shopping and off to the lounge complex at Gate 10. Went to the FIRST lounge (gold card again). However anyone flying CW can use it - so why use Terraces?? On entering we asked about kosher food in the lounge and a wonderful lady appeared with Smoked Turkey Bagels from the Concorde Lounge and we washed it down with a bit of Blue Label!

Flight was called but no separate boarding for CW or First???. Upon enquiring, apparantly if there are less than 200 pax, they dont do priority boarding. We had 179 pax so there wasnt any. First time I heard that but then again first time I flew a 744 half empty.

Top deck CW is the best for quiet so we booked that at the start. With 62k and 64k taken, I opted for 60J. I am not sold on the CW layout - climbing over and being climbed over (not on VS) doesnt do it for me. So 60J has neither and as there are only 20 pax up there and one toilet at back, front one serves only 10 people so hardly any traffic.

We are kosher and the CW meal was superb. Not the usual stogy food, but lamb, sandwiches before landing were served on china with metal cutlery and very impressive.

Push back on the minute and landing 45 mins early did it for me with BA's exemplery service.

They did lose one of our bages - an outsize containing an exhibition poster but with delivery to where we were staying within 12 hrs, you cant fault it.


Return:

JFK-LHR
BA182 2230
777
13K

No top deck of course so into the climbing over routine and the rear facing but at least a window! Check in again a breeze in FIRST and no one - thats absolutely NOBODY in security queue - just 4 bored TSA staff. So in lounge 7 mins after arriving in airport (how did we do that.....)

BA114 suffering a 2 hr delay looked pretty bleak in the terminal so went to FIRST lounge. Claustrophobic so went into the airy and great Terraces. Kosher pre flight supper on offer but US kosher leaves a lot to be desired so we ate before at one of Brooklyn's 300 or so Kosher joints.

On board CW was full and the 8 accross is pretty tight. I am sure the middle of the 4 on a 777 isnt anywhere near VS which has windows and aisles on almost every seat. Here you have neither!

But with mine, a window I got 5 hrs sleep but did the climbing thing over Mr Sleep who didnt budge the whole flight.

Great kosher 'nightcap' of hotdog and salad - fantastic and I take back what I said earlier. Breakfast a bit mean - fruit and bagel. Would have expected something hot (other pax also didnt get anything hot).

Took off and landed dead on time, no bags lost so great.

Would do BA CW again but only on Upper Deck. If not VS, but not on the poor A340-300.

All in all CW is worth it but would never take middle of the 4 on 777. Even WT+ is better than that!

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User currently offlineNWA757boy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 676 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11077 times:

Nice trip report, some pictures would be nice, but still sounds like a lovely experience. How was the IFE and service from the flight attendants?

Zach


User currently offlineTLVFred From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11063 times:

Thanks Zach. Didnt intend to do a TR so no pics sorry.

IFE on both legs was pretty poor. I expect I am used to the stunning VPORT. Nothing really good to watch unless you like childish US sitcoms. The games are cumbersome to use as well.

Service cannot be faulted. About 7-8 drink rounds, papers etc. Nosh bar excellent. Older FA's really make a difference and it beats VS hands down on this.

Fred


User currently offlineAlaskaqantas From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 905 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10970 times:

nice report,
understand it was your first one... Welcome!!!
If you have any pictures, or stoies of the VS seats, I would love to hear them. What is the BA seat like... comfy, hard, soft, or just right. Also the VS seat, what is it like?
~Cheers-
~~Kyle H.



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User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3712 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10928 times:

Nice and succinct report.

I have to say I agree with your sentiments for Club World on the 777. Definitely not good  Sad Sadly it seems BA have got the 777 on my most regular longhaul route and I've endured the 'Flying Youth Hostel' in the last month. Definitely not as fun as the 747 upstairs  Sad


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Quoting TLVFred (Thread starter):
Went to the FIRST lounge (gold card again). However anyone flying CW can use it - so why use Terraces?? On entering we asked about kosher food in the lounge and a wonderful lady appeared with Smoked Turkey Bagels from the Concorde Lounge and we washed it down with a bit of Blue Label!

Not quite right on that front.

Concorde Room is for ticketed First, Executive Club Premier and Concorde Room pass holders.

First Lounge is basically for anyone with OW Emerald status such as BA Gold, AA EXP, regardless of class of travel.

Terraces is for those in ticketed Business Class (longhaul and short haul) or OW Sapphires such as BA Silver, AA Platinum.

When Concorde was flying the CCR was for those on the rocket plus BA Golds in First. Obviously after the retirement the service in the CCR was cut back to those of the First Lounge and entry relaxed a bit so it actually got some use!
In other terminals such as T1 where there is only a First Lounge and Terraces it is a bit more distinct. First Lounge for OW Emeralds and those ticketed in First, with the Terraces for Sapphires or those in Business Class.

Quoting TLVFred (Thread starter):
Flight was called but no separate boarding for CW or First???. Upon enquiring, apparantly if there are less than 200 pax, they dont do priority boarding. We had 179 pax so there wasnt any.

Sounds very lazy and poor form for BA  thumbsdown 



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User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 878 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10594 times:

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 4):
Sounds very lazy and poor form for BA

It's called making the best use of resources and has been an on-going practice.


User currently offlineBritPilot777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10495 times:

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 5):
It's called making the best use of resources and has been an on-going practice.

Bingo!!



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User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3712 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10313 times:

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 5):
It's called making the best use of resources and has been an on-going practice.

OK, didn't realised it was SOP. I must fly on the wrong routes and flights because I've never a lack of priority boarding on longhaul unless it was via remote stand. As an outsider it sounded like something someone made up on the spot because there was not enough staff in that day!



"My first job was selling doors, door to door, that's a tough job innit" - Bill Bailey
User currently offlineBA747YYZ From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 9700 times:

Good TR, nice to hear about CW special services.

User currently offlineMikebg From Israel, joined Jan 2005, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9369 times:

Quoting TLVFred (Thread starter):
We are kosher and the CW meal was superb. Not the usual stogy food, but lamb, sandwiches before landing were served on china with metal cutlery and very impressive.

I would guess that BA uses 'Hermolis' for their kosher meals from London. They have an excellent reputation, and I have been served their meals on Singapore and Virgin as well. In fact, as of about 6 months ago EL AL have started to use them as suppliers for their First Class meals from London. I can vouch for the fact that their First Class food from London is now far better than their offerings from Tel Aviv or New York.


User currently offlineTmarch291 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 147 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 9242 times:

Great Report,

Welcome to A.net!

Tim


User currently offlineTLVFred From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9048 times:

Mike - yes Hermolis, always excellent in my opinion. Better than the US food which is hit or miss. We had Borenstein on the way back which was truly excellent but I understand Weiss is dire.

Alaska - I am really split between the seats on BA and VS - here is what I think:

BA FOR:

- Flat, not herringbone
- soft + comfy
- great with a partner
- upstairs on 744 a real haven

BA AGAINST

- That awful climbing over people thing
- 2-4-2 downstairs clausrophobic

VS FOR:

- Great if you are on your own
- No climbing!
- spacious

VS AGAINST

- Bed herringbone shape
- Rather hard
- Cant talk to partner

Summary - probably VS on my own, BA with a partner.

Fred


User currently offlineMikebg From Israel, joined Jan 2005, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8914 times:

Borenstein is owned by EL AL. I had them in EL AL's First twice over the past few months and found them quite mediocre compared with Hermolis.

User currently offlineLotsatLHR From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8573 times:

Nice report TLVFred. Not long until you might have to change some of those 'BA AGAINST' comments. If you fly this route often you might be one of the first into BA's NGCW seat.


ta-ta-for-now!
User currently offlineTLVFred From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8449 times:

Isnt NGCW just softer beds as I thought I had that anyway. Or is there something really new coming. I thought they were keeping the reverse facing + climbing thing?

User currently offlineLotsatLHR From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8424 times:

Well i'm no expert on the subject. NCW was brought in to play years ago.

Then sometime in 2005 all the NCW seats were fitted with what BA called (i think) 'new. club world'. It meant the darker cussions. Softer apparently! I think it also coincided-ish with a new MB spa at JFK.

Now this summer we're supposed to be seing the role out of NGCW. Some say forwards/backwards, some say herringbone. We'll see. As far as i'm aware the number of people who have seen the new product is small, although i believe cabin crew are receiving some training on it before it's released.

Personally - and this is a guess/dream - think NGCW won't be harringbone, despite it's obvious advantages displayed by VS. I think it will be rather like Etihad's new business class. Who knows...



ta-ta-for-now!
User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8080 times:

Quoting LotsatLHR (Reply 15):
Now this summer we're supposed to be seing the role out of NGCW. Some say forwards/backwards, some say herringbone. We'll see. As far as i'm aware the number of people who have seen the new product is small, although i believe cabin crew are receiving some training on it before it's released.

Indeed, crew are getting to see the product now, but sign a confidential letter... so I cannot enlighten you a lot on the New New Club World! But I will say this: it is really cool!  Smile


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