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A Beech, An Embraer, A Mad Dog (ELM-ROC-ORD-SFO)  
User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

Booked schedule: ELM-ROC-PIT-SFO
Actual schedule: ELM-ROC-ORD-SFO

The Elmira/Corning Regional Airport was my departure point for a trip home from the Watkins Glen International racetrack, where my Grand-Am racing team employer finished second. I booked this roundabout itinerary to get my first-ever flight on a Beechcraft 1900. ELM is a typical small-town American airport, served by US Airways Express with Dash-8s and CRJs to Philly, Northwest Airlink with CRJs to Detroit and an odd Continental Connection/Commutair presence, serving Cleveland (which makes sense) and Rochester (which doesn't). I was scheduled to connect at ROC to a Piedmont prop to Pittsburgh for an A319 transcon leg to San Francisco. But schedules ran into airline reality...

CO8718 operated by Commutair - Beech 1900 - Seat 4F
ELM-ROC, depart 14:40, arrive 15:10

Wow! is all I can say. Six pax for the 77-mile hop across New York the short way, and the takeoff roll could be measured in triple digit feet. The lightly-loaded Beechcraft fairly leaped into the air... then dropped, then leaped again. Ah, welcome to the world of tiny aircraft! The crew left the cockpit door open so we got a great view of the work they do.

Upon arrival in Rochester, I thanked the crew for an amazing flight on a great aircraft - sure, a bit hairy at times but it was an E-ticket ride all the way. After deplaning, I grabbed a couple snapshots of the bird on the ramp and climbed the stairs to the concourse for the hike over to the US Airways gates all the way on the other side of the airport. Then again, "all the way on the other side of the airport" is really only like a B-to-C connection at Philly, so perhaps I doth protest too much.

As I walked through the A gates at Rochester, the reminders of what had once been were everywhere. Two of AirTran's gates were clearly ex-US Airways and still had the trademark red electronic sign. I walked past the abandoned and forlorn site of the US Airways Club, an empty special services counter and two more former US gates before arriving at what was left of US Airways' presence at Rochester - a pair of jetways at the end of the concourse and a ramp chock-full of Piedmont props. One of them was my ride to Pittsburgh - at least, I thought it was.

Taking up station by the check-in counter, I opened my laptop bag to fish out my heritage and Cockroach pins... and overheard the CSRs talking about something to do with "Pittsburgh... volunteers..." I wasn't exactly relishing a five-plus-hour trip in US Y, even with a bulkhead window seat - as expected, my Platinum upgrade chances were exactly nil on the 12F A319 assigned to the evening PIT-SFO flight. I figured I'd see what was up.

Bingo.

My ROC-PIT Dash-8 flight was weight-restricted (weather?) and they needed a volunteer. Bump city, here we come. I handed the agent my US boarding passes and told her I was headed to San Francisco and didn't care how I got there. She first tried United, but nothing doing there. Then she tried American - and that, as Jon Fogarty likes to say, was money. So I had a flight out and I had a bump voucher - but let's see if I couldn't get something more...

I politely asked the agent if she could put me in the F-cabin - and got a frown and a "Sorry." Oh well - I wasn't in F on US so anything would have been a bonus. I chuckled and said, "Hey, it was worth a shot." The agent smiled and tapped away on her computer. Moments later, *Kachunk* *Kachunk* *Kachunk* The boarding pass printer spat out a pile of paperwork, including my bump voucher. "It's all electronic," she explained. "Just check in at the American gate in the other concourse." (If it's all electronic, why do I need a dozen pieces of paper? Ah, airlines.)

I scanned the itinerary card - Rochester to O'Hare on American Eagle, "ECONOMY/FOOD FOR PUR," O'Hare to San Francisco on American... wait a minute, what's this, "FIRST CL/DINNER?!?!" I just stared for a moment. The agent grinned, said "I got you a good seat," and handed me the voucher to sign. What can I say - fate and the airline gods smile on me again. A profusion of thank-yous and I was on my way across the terminal.

When I checked in with the Eagle gate agent, I think the Heritage pin threw her off - she thought I was non-revving! "Oh, I'll page you and let you know if you clear the standby list," she said. "Erm, no, I'm confirmed," I said as I handed her the USAir itinerary card along with my passport. That did it - two fresh American boarding passes, one with "FIRST" on it. A few minutes with Rochester's free wi-fi and it was time to board the Eagle jet to Chicago. Oddly, this marked a pair of firsts - my first flight on a Embraer RJ and my first connection through American's Chicago hub.

AE4233 operated by American Eagle - Embraer ERJ-145 - Seat 18A
ROC-ORD, depart 16:37, arrive 17:39

I got what was left - 18A - and despite being way way way in the back, the A-side of the Jungle Jet lived up to its reputation. Comfortable for an RJ, the large window was a big plus and the flight was totally painless. A quick flyby of downtown Chicago and we touched down at O'Hare ahead of schedule.

The AA terminal at ORD is a zoo - mazes of relatively narrow walkways branching out, just about the worst layout for a hub anyone could imagine.

AA1843 - McDonnell Douglas DC-9-83 "Super 80" - Seat 6E
ORD-SFO, depart 19:00, arrive 21:39

One word could suffice to describe this flight: Underwhelming. Given all the bashing that I've seen of US Airways F compared to other US domestic airlines, I was expecting quite a bit more from this four-and-a-half-hour flight. Upon boarding, no choice of pre-departure drinks was offered - just water or OJ. OK, strike one - I mean, freaking AMERICA WEST does pre-departure drink orders, and if they're setting the standard here, there's something wrong. We lifted off a little behind schedule thanks to a delayed inbound flight crew, Warm nuts and glassware - so far, so good. But mealtime came and... cloth on the tray, good, cloth napkin, good... wait a minute, clear plastic picnic-style utensils? Strike two - at least the US Airways plastic utensils have a little class to them. American's look like they came in a box from the supermarket. The tray was served with a scrawny salad and my FEBO-friendly placement meant I got first pick of entreé - chicken with spinach or tortellini? I took the pasta. It was served in a bowl about the size of the US Airways pasta bowl, and I was offered a piece of cheese bread not much bigger than my laptop trackpad. And that was it. The pasta was pretty good, but the meal's saving grace was the chocolate ice cream with cake chunks on top... real dessert, what a concept!

Still, for all the whining I heard about US Airways F being utterly horrid, without compare and the worst in the industry... well, American is definitely better, but not by as much as some people think. And, of course, no snack basket - I definitely missed it.

[Edited 2006-06-05 08:42:51]

[Edited 2006-06-05 08:47:42]


USAir A321 service now departing for SFO with fuel stops in CAK, COS and RNO. Enjoy your flight.
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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3894 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Thread starter):
Still, for all the whining I heard about US Airways F being utterly horrid, without compare and the worst in the industry... well, American is definitely better, but not by as much as some people think. And, of course, no snack basket - I definitely missed it.

With the exception - generally IMO - of CO and occasionally UA, no domestic US First is gonna be worth anything more than a wider seat, and free booze while airborne.

I'm glad you got the nice little "F" surprise and enjoyed your trip! Thanks for the report . . .


User currently offlineCrjflyer35 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 668 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3837 times:

Great report, I agree w/ ANCFlyer up there that domestic first is just about a bigger seat, you really can't expect any perks there.
1 question...where are the snapshots you said you took of the B1900? That bird is beautiful!



Ok, wait for the RJ to pass, cleared to push tail south Mike, and you're cleared to spin #2 in the push.
User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3678 times:

I recently flew MSP-CLT in NW first and recieved this for lunch




"If the facts do not conform to the theory, they will have to be disposed of"
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23204 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3667 times:

NW lunches in F are phenomenal. I've not had the pleasure of dinner recently, but what Ejmmsu posted is not an anomaly.


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User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1960 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3642 times:
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Quoting FCYTravis (Thread starter):
I scanned the itinerary card - Rochester to O'Hare on American Eagle, "ECONOMY/FOOD FOR PUR," O'Hare to San Francisco on American... wait a minute, what's this, "FIRST CL/DINNER?!?!" I just stared for a moment. The agent grinned, said "I got you a good seat," and handed me the voucher to sign. What can I say - fate and the airline gods smile on me again.

That's awesome! A few years ago I was flying on the now bankrupt Midway Airlines, and as soon as I sat down in Economy, one of the flight attendants said, "Oh, how about you come sit up in First today?" What a great flight that was!


User currently offlineVatveng From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1009 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3467 times:

First Class fliers eat some weird things.

On that tray pictured above, I can honestly say that the only thing that looks even remotely appetizing is the salad.

No wonder people complained about airline food back in the days they used to feed Y. If that's what they're serving, they can keep it. I'll stop at Subway in the terminal, thanks.



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User currently offlineDelta732FF From United States of America, joined May 2005, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

Nice report. Got to love it when you dont care how you get back, and you lucked up this time.

User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4514 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

I poked my head into Trip Reports today, and find one regarding my home ROC--kind of a treat. Travis, I didn't know that anyone makes connections at ROC!   I just flew ROC-BWI yesterday on AirTran but don't have time to write a report (will just note that the flight arrived early, bags came fast, and staff were professional and helpful at all points). But I wanted to comment on this observation:

As I walked through the A gates at Rochester, the reminders of what had once been were everywhere. Two of AirTran's gates were clearly ex-US Airways and still had the trademark red electronic sign. I walked past the abandoned and forlorn site of the US Airways Club, an empty special services counter and two more former US gates before arriving at what was left of US Airways' presence at Rochester - a pair of jetways at the end of the concourse and a ramp chock-full of Piedmont props. One of them was my ride to Pittsburgh - at least, I thought it was..

Things have changed a lot since the mid 1990's, when US had about 50 percent of the Rochester market. USAirways has one party to thank for this situation: themselves. They stuck it to Rochester back in the heady 1990's, when there weren't icky LCC's preventing them from charging $700-$1000 roundtrip walkup for 45-minute flights, and leisure fares routinely in the $200-$250 range for the same short flights.

USAirways has reaped the fruits of their 1990's pricing at Rochester and elsewhere in the Northeast. I haven't boarded a US Airways plane in four years, and use AirTran for my regular DC area-ROC trips. I'm apparently not the only one. IMO, AirTran (A2 and A4) and JetBlue (A5, and use of A7) occupying former US Airways gates is poetic justice.

Don't get me wrong, US (or mostly US Express) still offers value to ROC--flights to DCA, LGA, hub service at PHL and CLT, and flights for businessmen on thinner routes like BDL and PIT. All those Piedmont turboprops and ZW regional jets serve an important segment of the ROC market. But US doesn't set the fares on a lot of routes anymore, which is for the better.

Despite Rochester's bad economy the past few years, boardings at ROC run over 25 percent higher than during the stronger local economy of the 1990's, which should be no surprise.

ROC-BOS on AirTran begins July 6, with two daily roundtrips.

Jim

[Edited 2006-06-12 23:17:51]


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