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AA F JFK-SFO... Amazing!  
User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3484 posts, RR: 5
Posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 24146 times:

So I finally non-revd to SFO from JFK a couple of days ago.

I wanted business, because even non-revving carries a hefty fee for first class to Cali.

But I was informed at JFK that Business Class was full and my only option was F . . . so I took it!  Smile

I must say, the service was absolutely amazing:

-Eat dinner on your own schedule
-Full menu of selections
-Warmed Nuts
-Out of the oven bread
-Shrimp over pasta for an appetizer
-Salad cart: selection of type of salad, dressings, veggies to mix in . . . Salad was made in front of you
-Choice of Beef/Roasted Chicken/Veg Ravioli for entree
-Sundae cart for desert: vanilla ice cream with various toppings and fresh fruit
-Lie flat seat
-Portable DVD players with Bose headsets in addition to the main feature

Truly amazing service on the Flagship route. It was a B767-200 with 9 seats in First.

PJ

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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25416 posts, RR: 49
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 24116 times:

Sorry to say, however if AA's F-class service blew your socks off, suggest you try some international flying. The transcon F product is really nothing too special on the bigger scale.

As a regular monthly commuter between LA and NY, have to say the AA product continues to decline and was significantly better a few years back. Give UA's p.s. service a try next time. I'd say its business class is comparable to AAs first, while p.s. first class features international style beds.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineStealth777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 24113 times:

flew that last month in Y class.. total opposite. the F/A's didnt even smile at all and they walked up and the aiesles so fast (of course the rare times they did) and you couldn't even stop them for anything.

I think if you really want to experience the airline you work for try flying the same class as the majority of people.

sorry just was not impressed at all with AA both inbound and out.


User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3484 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 24059 times:

"As a regular monthly commuter between LA and NY, have to say the AA product continues to decline and was significantly better a few years back. Give UA's p.s. service a try next time. I'd say its business class is comparable to AAs first, while p.s. first class features international style beds.'

Not to stick up for the airline that pays the salary . . . but AA has and continues to fill up widebodies on the route.

UA may have started PS, but they're service continues to decline in quantity. They are a shell of their former self in NY and on the LAX/SFO routes.

"I think if you really want to experience the airline you work for try flying the same class as the majority of people. "

I just said that the F class was amazing. Never mentioned coach. I know what coach is on AA/UA/DL/B6/WN/F9 and every other airline out there in the US.

Don't like it? Perhaps you would enjoy the coach of yesteryear if you paid $1000 for your transcon ticket. That's what a 1970s ticket would have cost you adjusted for inflation.

Until the masses are willing to do that, it won't change. That's basic economics . . . not my airline or the competitor talking.

PJ


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 24057 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):

As a regular monthly commuter between LA and NY, have to say the AA product continues to decline and was significantly better a few years back. Give UA's p.s. service a try next time. I'd say its business class is comparable to AAs first, while p.s. first class features international style beds.

I'm a regular monthly commuter between SFO/SJC-ORD and international to LHR...while their service isn't EK, SQ, CX..its not that bad....

at least they have bloody powerports in economy!

about 85% of the F/A's aren't as bad as people make them out to be....

Quoting Stealth777 (Reply 2):

I think if you really want to experience the airline you work for try flying the same class as the majority of people.

I fly AA cattle-class...its fine...people know what to expect..they have competing fares, good ff-program and international travel....



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineB797 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 54 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 24027 times:

Quoting Stealth777 (Reply 2):
flew that last month in Y class.. total opposite. the F/A's didnt even smile at all and they walked up and the aiesles so fast (of course the rare times they did) and you couldn't even stop them for anything.

You can always press the button and the F/A will always come to your service. Do not expect people walk through the aisle just so you can call for there assistance.


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3435 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 23889 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 3):
"As a regular monthly commuter between LA and NY, have to say the AA product continues to decline and was significantly better a few years back. Give UA's p.s. service a try next time. I'd say its business class is comparable to AAs first, while p.s. first class features international style beds.'

Not to stick up for the airline that pays the salary . . . but AA has and continues to fill up widebodies on the route.

UA may have started PS, but they're service continues to decline in quantity. They are a shell of their former self in NY and on the LAX/SFO routes.

"I think if you really want to experience the airline you work for try flying the same class as the majority of people. "

I just said that the F class was amazing. Never mentioned coach. I know what coach is on AA/UA/DL/B6/WN/F9 and every other airline out there in the US.

Don't like it? Perhaps you would enjoy the coach of yesteryear if you paid $1000 for your transcon ticket. That's what a 1970s ticket would have cost you adjusted for inflation.

Until the masses are willing to do that, it won't change. That's basic economics . . . not my airline or the competitor talking.

PJ



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 4):
I'm a regular monthly commuter between SFO/SJC-ORD and international to LHR...while their service isn't EK, SQ, CX..its not that bad....

at least they have bloody powerports in economy!

about 85% of the F/A's aren't as bad as people make them out to be....

I agree with the both of you!!!!

FA's have been friendly, funny, smiling etc on all 12-16 of my segments in the last 6-8 months.

I fly AA very often in both economy and business and I will say that while AA perhaps isn't the best thing since sliced bread, their service does not deserve the harsh comments it gets on this forum. Life i've said before, if you want luxury then buy yourself a Bentley, fly in First class and when cruising or in hotels book only the presidential suites...you'll perhaps pay more than most people earn but that's the cost of luxury. You want to fly from MIA-LHR for university or a business meeting or family holiday then be happy with the decent service you get in coach and business. Business was really great ALL the times i've flown it and Economy while never amazing has always been more than satisfactory. Airlines are a mode of transportation- either spend the money and upgrade or DON'T FLY!!!!!!! (doubt you could really walk across the atlantic!!!!

Cheers
AA1818



“The moment you doubt whether you can fly, you cease for ever to be able to do it.” J.M. Barrie (Peter Pan)
User currently offlineN844AA From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1352 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 23774 times:

Quoting B797 (Reply 5):
You can always press the button and the F/A will always come to your service. Do not expect people walk through the aisle just so you can call for there assistance.

I've always assumed that was rude, and that if I had a non-emergency that needed FA attention, I could go back to the galley for assistance. Was I wrong? Are there any FAs reading the thread that would mind commenting with their feelings on this issue?



New airplanes, new employees, low fares, all touchy-feely ... all of them are losers. -Gordon Bethune
User currently offlineRadelow From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 426 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 23733 times:

I flew AA last week and the service was sub-par at best. The FA's were older and all of them seemed grumpy. I still seem to have the best experience from the FA's on WN.

FYI this should be moved to Trip Reports.


User currently offlineSwiss-airplane From Switzerland, joined May 2000, 591 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 23488 times:

I flew non rev from LAX to JFK last month in F too.. service was really good (brunch service) and the FA's were all smiling.. I have flown more than 10times ZRH-JFK-ZRH and on all flights there were nice Crews..it never happened to me that all FA were grumpy on a entire flight

User currently offlineSalso From Slovenia, joined Dec 2004, 205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 23245 times:

Quoting N844AA (Reply 7):
I've always assumed that was rude, and that if I had a non-emergency that needed FA attention, I could go back to the galley for assistance. Was I wrong? Are there any FAs reading the thread that would mind commenting with their feelings on this issue?

I don't consider it rude, if a passenger activates a call button. I just go to their seat and inquire about their needs (that's my job), but on my airline it usually IS only used in special occurences, if not emergencies.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 23228 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 3):
but AA has and continues to fill up widebodies on the route.

Um, you do realize that there is not the huge difference in size between the 762 and the 752 that you are insinuating. In fact, United offers 3 more First seats on their 752s than AA does on their 762s, only 6 fewer Business seats with lower yield economy seats making up the 40 seat difference.

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 3):
UA may have started PS, but they're service continues to decline in quantity. They are a shell of their former self in NY and on the LAX/SFO routes.

What are you talking about? The introduction of p.s. signified a return to very high service standards on the LAX/SFO-JFK sectors. Every person on the airplane, including Y, gets full hot meals for free. AA can't say that. Neither can they say that both First and Business get personal DVD players and noise canceling headsets. Additionally, United First seat is better than either airline's international Business seat. Further, all seats on p.s. are both wider and have more pitch than their AA counterpart. The only ones who have had their service decline on the route are AA with Less Room Throughout Coach and BOB.



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 23185 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
What are you talking about?



Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 3):
Not to stick up for the airline that pays the salary . . .

He is employed by AA and believes his service is better....


User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 23168 times:

Guys this isn't the trip report section.
Thanks


DALelite



They loved to fly and it showed..
User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 23022 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 3):
"As a regular monthly commuter between LA and NY, have to say the AA product continues to decline and was significantly better a few years back. Give UA's p.s. service a try next time. I'd say its business class is comparable to AAs first, while p.s. first class features international style beds.'

Not to stick up for the airline that pays the salary . . . but AA has and continues to fill up widebodies on the route.

UA may have started PS, but they're service continues to decline in quantity. They are a shell of their former self in NY and on the LAX/SFO routes.

"I think if you really want to experience the airline you work for try flying the same class as the majority of people. "

I just said that the F class was amazing. Never mentioned coach. I know what coach is on AA/UA/DL/B6/WN/F9 and every other airline out there in the US.

Don't like it? Perhaps you would enjoy the coach of yesteryear if you paid $1000 for your transcon ticket. That's what a 1970s ticket would have cost you adjusted for inflation.

Until the masses are willing to do that, it won't change. That's basic economics . . . not my airline or the competitor talking.

This is a joke right...AA was amazing...oh boy you gotta laugh...stop being blinkered by the fact that this company pays your salary.

Fly UA's PS in first, the come back to the forum and eat your words. PS F & J, blow the socks off AA's product and yes i have flown both classes and would not entertain another airline on the JFK -LAX/SFO routes!!


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8380 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 22953 times:

US carriers putting their older F/A's on the longer routes has always been something of an irony to me. Why would you put the older less physical apt employers on the routes that demand the most, physically and mentally, out of your most customer facing employees? It's really just a perfect recipee for grumpy service. When you look at airlines that are preceived as having great onboard service, especially on long-haul routes, all you have to do is look at the age of their F/A's.

User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2172 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 22835 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 15):
US carriers putting their older F/A's on the longer routes

Patterns are bid by seniority...whether union or not...the longer trips generally go senior. Carriers do not 'put' F/A's on flts...they bid their trips. US Law prohibits discrimination by age as another part of the issue...an item more than a few overseas carriers do not have to contend with....such as SQ.


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8380 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 22754 times:

There's no need to discriminate by age. Just make physical fitness part of the requirement rather than seniority, and that ought to eliminate 90% of the old farts from the long haul routes which they obviously can't handle. Just look at their faces half way through the flightand you can tell they're wasted.

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 22738 times:

age has nothing to do with the quality of service. I have had some of my best flights with flight attendants that flew back when air travel was really something special. I can still recall a DL flight using an ex-Pan Am crew on an ex PA Airbus and it was unparalleled to any business class experience I've ever had anywhere. No in-seat video or fancy whistles but the service was first rate and then some. And the flight attendants had been trained to deliver the finest service back when people when airlines offered it and Americans were capable of delivering it.

User currently offlineVSLover From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1897 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 22050 times:

i miss the freshly baked on board cookies AA used to offer to F and J class on the JFK-LAX flights.

oh, and the port wine too!


though it is obviously not on the same level as international service, it is still great service and a very comfortable flight. yes, i've done p.s. which is marginally better, but as a regular on the JFK-LAX route, i have become a creature of habit (and miles).

though i must mention i was very unimpressed with the lunch choices this past week on the jfk-lax route in J.


User currently offlineSelcalcheckok From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 21859 times:

It is wrong to cast an opinion over a whole airline because service was bad on a flight. There are hundreds of flights a day, all with different crews, moods, attitudes.

ck


User currently offlineUAL#1fan From United States of America, joined May 2001, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 21220 times:

AA's service BETTER than UA's coast to coast? You got to be kidding me!  rotfl 

P.S. blows AA's Flagship service out of the water, and United's coach seating is overall much better than American's.



United Air Lines -Mainliners Coast to Coast
User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 21015 times:

Quoting VSLover (Reply 19):
though it is obviously not on the same level as international service, it is still great service and a very comfortable flight. yes, i've done p.s. which is marginally better, but as a regular on the JFK-LAX route, i have become a creature of habit (and miles).

Marginally better, who are you trying to kid...P.S is in a different class to AA's product and anybody who has travelled on both cannot justify coming on here and trying to argue otherwise!


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 20979 times:

Both of the F's are excellent, even though from what I've read from frequent travelers, UA's product has the touch overall.
AA is probably full thanks to a combination of non-revs, upgrades and existing corporate contracts.
-Mr. X



What now?
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 20392 times:

Quoting UAL#1fan (Reply 21):
P.S. blows AA's Flagship service out of the water, and United's coach seating is overall much better than American's.

the problem is "at what cost"....sure AA can provide a 7 course meal with a waiter and what not...but travelers have spoken...they want "cheap, cheap, cheap, and more cheap" fares...

given the current climate, that's all AA can do..


did I say travelers want "cheap, cheap cheap, and more cheap" fares.... Wink



"Up the Irons!"
25 A340600 : Better than EOS's etc, really? Well not it isn't. There are many other airlines around the world offering much lower fares than AA yet offering damn
26 Post contains images Jmy007 : Sorry, going to half to stick up for the original poster. Most people do not get the opportunity to sit up front in F. And when they do, it is an exp
27 Aa757first : Longer flights are far less demanding than shorter ones. If you don't like the way your flight attendant acts after a six hour JFK nto LAX, imagine w
28 AeroWesty : If I wanted to fly on a full F fare tomorrow on AA/UA from LAX to JFK, it would cost nearly $2,300 one-way. Yes, contracted rates, upgrades, etc. eat
29 AA777223 : It should also be noted, that upgrades are becoming more scarce. I am not sure about domestic, as when I fly those routes, I always fly AA, and I alw
30 N1120A : I was speaking of UA and AA. Still, United's seat is the same as Singapore's Space Bed, which means that only VS/NZ, AC's new seat and maybe BA's Clu
31 QXatFAT : 3 FA's have to serve how many people in Coach? And the 1 or 2 FA's in Buis. or First have to serve how many? do the ratio my friends and you will see
32 Post contains images Boeingfanyyz : Well, I must be miles back from everyone because I was not even aware that AA had a first class service. Seeing as they dont really focus on trans-con
33 N1120A : AC's Executive First is a domestic First/International Business set up. UA and AA actually have 3 class aircraft on the LAX/SFO-JFK transcons.
34 JFKLGANYC : "AA's service BETTER than UA's coast to coast? You got to be kidding me! P.S. blows AA's Flagship service out of the water, and United's coach seating
35 RDYNYC : WHAT?? You haven't been following the reviews regarding the P.S. product. Celebrities are even requesting it now! FIRST OFF - BAD ATTITUDE! Flight At
36 FL370 : ummy ya, i don't think any airline flying SFO/LAX-JFK can compare to UA's ps. PS service is amazing. i flew PS first a couple of time, really nice. 1.
37 AA61Hvy : Get off the guy. He likes the service he got. Lay off him. Some people think UA is better some think AA is better. Everyone is entiltled to their own
38 Post contains images Fbgdavidson : Sorry for dragging this out of the dust but does anyone know what seat AA use in the 9 seat F cabin on the 3 class 762? I can't find any pictures on h
39 Post contains links and images Planecrazy2 : It is hard to find pictures of those, so I save every one I see. Here you go: Enjoy the AA 762!
40 Post contains images Fbgdavidson : Superb! Thanks
41 Post contains links Crdaus : This just goes to show how variable AA's product is when you compare your experience with my own travelling 1st, albeit BOS-SFO (ref BOS-SFO 1st Class
42 Fbgdavidson : The price is certainly not the same! JFK-LAX on the 767-200 is about $2300 each way. I've priced up itineraries for less than half that for a return
43 Crdaus : Are you saying that the price of F on AA for JFK-SFO is significantly more than F on AA for BOS-SFO? These are the sectors I was comparing.
44 DL4EVR : There's about a $3000 difference. JFK-SFO is 3 class....BOS-SFO is 2 class.
45 TACAA320 : AA amazing ? Have you ever flew another airline before ?
46 Crdaus : I think this is very misleading of AA to have two different F class offerings on similar sectors. This vindicates my decision when travelling on a On
47 Post contains images Iowaman : I've heard this mentioned before.. WTF is the big deal if your freakin nuts are warm (no, not the perverted way  ) ?!?![Edited 2006-07-07 10:44:31]
48 Jyatlantic : UA P.S. still rules. Every flight ex JFK to SFO and LAX have the three classes. RIght now Im in the Lufthansa First Class Terminal...AMAZING... Star A
49 MIASkies : People can be such idiots sometimes... let the guy enjoy his flight on AA ! Glad you liked...nice report.
50 Post contains images CharlesMD : Hmmmmm...the Harvard magazine and National Enquirer in the second photo look kinda familiar!
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