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CDG-JFK-LAX: AA And AF  
User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2740 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 11916 times:

Hi all, this is my first trip report!!!I will try to be short, avoiding the annoying details,and to give you my impressions.Sorry, no pics!!!

CDG-JFK:
Airline: Air France
a/c: Boeing 777-200ER
Registration:F-GSPB
Scheduled at 08:25 am
Departed at 09:00 am
I flew in Y class(Tempo)



When I entered the a/c, I was really impressed by the new seats in F and C class, I though I was in a Space Shuttle!!!Everything seemed as new in F and C class, the fitted carpet xas new, the projectors are replaced by LCD screens, there are blue lights in C class.All in all, a very smart cabin in F and C class.Anyway, I am always impressed when I enter a 777, my favourite a/c!!!

However, I was disappointeed when I saw that the Y class still had the old seats. These seats seem really old and should have been replaced.Indeed, my seat(38K) was broken,as well as the armrest,my PTV(N VOD, each film is supposed to start every 15 minutes,but I could not watch films!!!!) did not work well,the cup holder was broken!!!The strange thing is that I really enjoyed the flight in spite of all this!!!I enjoyed the power of this brilliant a/c!!!
The F/A were nice, but nothing extraordinary.My meals were kosher meals(breakfast and lunch), it was below average.
The flight was smooth, except one hour before landing when we went through a turbulence area during 15 minutes(moderate turbulence, I think).The flight lasted 7 hours and 15 minutes.

I will post the following later on


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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2740 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11319 times:

JFK-LAX
Airline: American Airlines
a/c: Boeing 767-200ER
Scheduled at 12:00
Departed on time
I flew in Y class(seat 29E)



Check in was really easy at JFK.The attendants were nice at the airport.
We boarded at 11:25.My first impression when I entered the a/c was:"This plane looks so old!!!".I think I was right, it seems that AA never changed the seats of the plane.The seats in F looked so ugly, I would never pay for a first class loke this one!!!In Y, the seats seemed narrow, the legroom was by far the worst I have ever experienced.The cabin was dark.The F/A were rude(except from a stewardess who was really nice and friendly), and did not care about their passengers(nothing to see with AF!!!).The service was really bad.Only beverages were offered during this five- hour flight(really disappointing):we had to pay for a sandwich (of course, no kosher sandwiches),we had to pay for the IFE.I told me:"Am I on a charter flight or on AA?".Really horrible.The flight was quite bumpy, we experienced some moderate turbulences due to thunderstoms. The landing was one of the worst I have ever had in spite of the nice weather in LA: at one point during descent, I thought we were going to crash, the descent seemed too sharp.I must say that I did not feel safe during the whole flight, I was OK only when I got off the a/c!!!A lot of people told me to avoid AA, but I wanted to see by myself how it was.Those people were really right.I will always try to avoid AA. I am happy that I did not choose AA for the Transatlantic flight(of couse, I know that AA must be different on international flight).
Anyway, I did not enjoy my flight.No comparison possible with AF.


LAX-CDG:
Airline: Air France
a/c: Boeing 777-200ER
Registration:F-GSPJ(old configuration)
Scheduled at 18:25
Departed at 18:40
I flew in Y class(Tempo)
Seat 41E






Security measures were really strict during this flight.
The attendants on the ground were not nice, some were even rude.
Our plane arrived at 16:05, I saw it landing, really graceful.
The plane had the old config.This time, I was not impressed by the cabin, I don't like the old seats in F and C class, the cabin looked darker but it was fine.There are still the old projectors,which look outdated.There was no empty seats on this flight.My seat was OK, everything worked very well, I enjoyed the IFE system.The legroom seemed less generous than on the CDG-JFK flight.The footrest were useless.The F/As were really nice, they made their job perfectly, very professional.I did not enjoy the meals(dinner and breakfast), but it was not AF food as I eat Kosher.I was only disappointing with the GéoVision system which displayed on this flight only one map(no info about the altitude, the speed...).
Our ten-hour flight was smooth, except from light chops when we were above the Great Lakes.Take off was really smooth, unlike descent due to the clouds.

Finally, I had a great time during this flight.


Now, I would like to compare AF 772s with LY 772s as I have flown both:

1-Exterior aspect:LY is the winner, the planes are always very clean.I prefer the GE engines though(they look bigger!!!)
2-Cabin general aspect:LY is again the winner,the cabin seems more modern.
3-The seats:I will talk about AF new seats:
-in F: AF is by far better
-in C: AF is also better, I simply love the new seat
-in Y: I prefer LY seats, the remote looks better!!!
4-The IFE:no comparison: AF is much better.LY PTVs are bigger though
5-F/As:both are great



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User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11203 times:

AF is better than AA on transatlantic in Y. However about 5 years ago AA was better than AF when they had 34" seats and better food than now.

User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2740 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 10899 times:

What planes did AA use to fly?


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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8589 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10887 times:
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Nice report, very interesting to see your views.

Quoting LY777 (Thread starter):
my seat(38K) was broken,as well as the armrest,my PTV(N VOD, each film is supposed to start every 15 minutes,but I could not watch films!!!!) did not work well,the cup holder was broken!!!The strange thing is that I really enjoyed the flight in spite of all this!!!I

- Looks pretty poor to me, AF should maintain their aircraft in a better than this, I would have written in to complain.

Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
My first impression when I entered the a/c was:"This plane looks so old!!!".I think I was right

- Yes, it was the AA 762's are pretty old!

Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
I am happy that I did not choose AA for the Transatlantic flight(of couse, I know that AA must be different on international flight).

- AA are ok, nothing superb, I've used them transatlantic on 763,M11 & 777 and if the price was right, would do so again.

Look forward to more reports in the future.

Regards

Mark



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User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10882 times:

AA used to fly 5 years + ago: MD-11. The B777 replaced them. Also 767 like now. A few years ago they reduced the legroom from about 34" which was fantastic to 32" or 31" not sure. Seat Guru lists legroom as 31" to 32".

The legroom was enough reason to chose them.


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2740 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 10696 times:

How many MD11s did they use to fly?


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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2740 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9819 times:

I add some pictures from my flights(now, I know how to include pictures!!!)

CDG-JFK (777-200ER):
view from the window:

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6069/dsc02564re3.jpg



some cabin views:
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/7407/dsc02570dm0.jpg

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7792/dsc02565ye7.jpg

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1275/dsc02567zb8.jpg




LAX-CDG(777-200ER, old config)

I don't like these old projectors...

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/405/dsc03074mn0.jpg



I Hope you enjoyed...



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User currently offlineCleared2Land4 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 9434 times:

Do you have any pics of the (new) C cabin on the AF 772?


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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2740 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 9254 times:

No, sorry no pics of the C class


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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8499 times:

Quoting LY777 (Thread starter):
I know that AA must be different on international flight).
Anyway, I did not enjoy my flight.No comparison possible with AF

No, it's exactly the same on international. I flew CDG-ORD-CDG on AA in Y last december on a 763ER and had exactly the same impression as you : old tired plane, narrow and used J class seats of "the last century", poor service, no PTV, lack of space in Y (even if I'm not a tall guy), horrible food, etc


User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8049 times:

Good TR. But why didn't you fly with Skyteam all the way?

cheers: DALelite



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2740 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8040 times:

Quoting DALelite (Reply 11):
Good TR. But why didn't you fly with Skyteam all the way?

because only AA used a wide body a/c from NY to lax; furthermore, as I have the El Al Matmid card, I won points with AA



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User currently offlineB707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 7884 times:

I just flew AA JFK-BRU and LHR-JFK and frankly I'm ashamed to be American. Awful awful food... and almost non-existent on-board service. Not one water run, only drinks run at the beginning with no nuts... did I say miserable food, I can't say it enough. Cheap cheap cheap. And there whole Flagship service is a joke.

User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2740 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7794 times:

Is DL better than AA on long haul?


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User currently offlineDALelite From Switzerland, joined Jun 2000, 1770 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 7429 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 14):
Is DL better than AA on long haul?

are you kidding????? DL is quite good. Years ago they were that good, that i choose them over Swissair.

cheers: DALelite



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2740 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 7207 times:

Quoting DALelite (Reply 15):


are you kidding????? DL is quite good. Years ago they were that good, that i choose them over Swissair

but when I see their 763s departing to NY from CDG, that doesn't make me dream



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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 7095 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 14):
Is DL better than AA on long haul?

oh YES !  spin 

Quoting LY777 (Reply 16):
but when I see their 763s departing to NY from CDG, that doesn't make me dream

Why ? Is it the A/C you don't like (as AA also serve CDG with this A/C)


User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2740 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6943 times:

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 17):
Why ? Is it the A/C you don't like (as AA also serve CDG with this A/C)

that's because I dont like the "classic interior" of the 767, I don't like the old bins, and furthermore, there are noPTVs!!!
I prefer flying CDG-NY with an AF 77W !!!



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User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1872 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6617 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 18):
that's because I dont like the "classic interior" of the 767, I don't like the old bins, and furthermore, there are noPTVs!!!

OK, I understand now

Quoting LY777 (Reply 18):
I prefer flying CDG-NY with an AF 77W !!!

me too !


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