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Finnair MD-11 New Business Class BKK-SIN-BKK  
User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 33
Posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 25443 times:

Here’s my next trip report – Finnair business class to Singapore and back. It’s been a while since I’ve written about these flights, so I thought why not. The seat pictures are from an earlier trip.

I could start this with a page long rant about the differences of getting Thai visas in various Asian countries, but I’ll spare you all from that. Bottom line was this was another visa run since our son doesn’t have a visa yet.

Yet, I can’t help but rant about Cathay Pacific here before starting the actual report. I had a terrible J class experience with them in June, but they were still my no. 1 choice for this trip, being just 1000 Baht more expensive and with better times. Yet, I ended up with Finnair due to CX’s Singapore promotion being completely ridiculous. The business class fare is for Asiamiles members only, perfectly ok with me. Airline gets the passenger sign up and the personal information – why not. But with Cathay, you can also only credit the miles to Asiamiles! I questioned various people about this and said I’ll just change the number to AA at check-in – finally had enough when the agent at their BKK CTO basically laughed me out of the office. CX would also have charged a credit card surcharge – plain ridiculous.

I have booked more “Miles&More members only” fares with LH Bangkok than I care to remember, and always changed the number to United MP right at the office – never had any problems. CX really needs to get over their attitude which only seems to get worse with more “Airline of the Year” and other awards. I guess I could have taken chances and booked CX anyway, but I need the miles for AA requalification, So, I booked actually 7 business class round trips to SIN with Finnair instead of CX.

09 September 2006
Bangkok Don Muang (BKK/VTBD) – Singapore Changi (SIN/WSSS)
Finnair AY/FIN 097
McDonnell Douglas MD-11
OH-LGD
1440-1800 – On Time
Business Class, Seat 5J


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Pictures here: http://lari.pp.fi/AY97_09SEP/index.html

We took a taxi to Don Muang at around 11.30 am – it was the usual quick ride of about 30 minutes. A pleasant Lufthansa agent checked us in, and confirmed that seats 5JL have the bassinet fittings in the bulkhead in front. Immigration had horrible lines – you could hardly squeeze yourself into the waiting area after paying the departure tax. Alas, families with children can bypass these, so we went straight to the special desk past the normal ones. Quick and painless.

The lounge choices were Cathay, Qantas and Lufthansa (due to my status with them) – AY gives invitations to the Qantas Club. However, QF only opens it at 1pm, leaving Finnair passengers just one hour to use it before SIN/HKG and next year KUL departure. So we went to the LH lounge, and the agent of course said we could use the much nicer Qantas Club. After I pointed out it’s usually not open, she phoned QF and told me “It’s absolutely ridiculous they aren’t open since Finnair is paying them for it!”. I agreed. That was quite refreshing considering most Thais just accept everything with “mai pen rai” and wouldn’t question such things.

So, we were alone in the LH lounge before moving over to the Qantas Club at 1pm. We were the only guests there for quite a while as well. OH-LGD arrived from Helsinki on time, and docked at gate 35 – too far from the lounge for my liking. Usually Finnair tends to use the pier 5 gates which are perfect for the QF lounge. Boarding started late, and we made it to the first row of the small business class cabin behind the galley. I don’t particularly like it since the economy class passengers pass through during boarding, and you won’t get pre-departure drink refills or any attention really because of the boarding procedure. But the front cabin was full by the time I booked. Drinks finally arrived, and so did the infant life west and seatbelt. In addition to the usual service chefs, a friendly Thai F/A was also serving the business class cabin.

Doors were closed on time despite the late boarding, and the mini-cabin was quite nice from now on with just a couple of other passengers. Since all AY MD-11s now have the new seats – we obviously had them also. At first, a few months ago, I thought they were a bit hard and narrow, but on these flights I actually thought they weren’t all that bad. The angle is less steep than on CX and LX, but I still think the SQ Spacebeds have less of that sliding factor. The Majesty seats have all the bells of whistles you can ask for – lumbar support, adjustable headrests, privacy divider, snake lights, bottle stowage, magazine stowage etc. The power port remains an empower one – useless if you ask me. LH had proper plugs even in their old business class. LGA-D have non-AVOD PTVs while LGE-G have tables for DVD players. Actually, I think the DVD players are better since the selection is rather large and they are obviously on demand.

Seat pictures from a previous trip: http://lari.pp.fi/aylieflat/index.html


We taxied past all the usual Don Muang variety, including three Thai Sky TriStars. A MD-11 signature take-off from runway 21R followed and the seatbelt sign was switched off just minutes later. Service started with hot towels – but no pre-lunch drinks/nuts. Why AY can’t ever do that – I don’t know. No menus were offered on either flight, so whatever I’m writing here is my description. Lunch is served on BKK-SIN:

Appetizer

Chicken fillet with apple and Thai style noodles

Main Courses

Fillet of salmon with creamy mushroom sauce
served with duchess potato

Beef curry with mixed vegetables
served with steamed rice

Dessert

Chocolate cake


Wine/Drink List

Champagne

Joseph Perrier Cuvee Royale Brut Vintage 1999, France

White wines

Chablis Premier Cru Les Vaucopins 2003, France
Riesling Zobinger Heiligenstein 2003, Austria

Red wines

Osoyoos Larose 2002, Canada
Grandarella Apassimento IGT 2001, Italy

Sweet wines

Chateau Guiraud 2000, France
Niepoort 20 years old Tawny Port, Portugal

Other beverages

Chivas Regal
Balvenie Founders Reserve Malt
Bombay Sapphire Gin
Finlandia Vodka
Koskenkorva
Bacardi
Underberg Bitter
Campari Bitter

Cointreau
St Brendan’s Irish Cream
Irish Coffee
Cloudberry Liqueur
Martell Cordon Bleu
Calvados Roger Groult 20 ans d’age

Koff and Lapin Kulta Beer
Asahi Beer (only on routes to and from Japan)
Sake Osakaya Choubei (only on routes to and from Japan)
Tsingtao Beer (only on routes to and from China)

Spring Soda and Tonic Waters
Orange, Apple, Grapefruit and Tomato Juices
Coca Cola, Coca Cola Light, Fanta and Sprite Soft Drinks
Bloody Mary

The appetizer was decent, and the salmon main was excellent. My wife had the beef and said it was good as well. I had some of the Canadian red wine on offer as well as champagne with the meal, and rounded it off with some coffee and calvados. The rest of the flight passed quickly as I filled up the Singapore immigration forms and had some more champagne. We landed on time, and docked at a far-away gate in the D-concourse – these must be cheaper as the Finnair MD-11 always sits the 3-4 hours at one of the furthest gates.

A CIAS agent retrieved the baby stroller, and after a few minutes’ wait at immigration, we were soon on out way to the Singapore Marriott.

Singapore Marriott Hotel

Perhaps my 10h stay in about as many months… I know nowadays to really push it for upgrades here – a non-renovated executive level room is the standard upgrade for even Marriott Platinums it seems. Managed to get a suite on the executive floor this time, and it was pretty nice. It still escapes me how this property can charge SGD 320 for a standard room when even the Ritz Carlton Millenia is only SGD 265 on weekends. We hit the lounge at around 7.20pm – their food service should be available till 7:30. Not really – everything was finished when we got there, and was not replenished. Completely appalling for a hotel charging this sort of prices. My final order for wine about 20 minutes later was met with “I should be charging you for this but it’s ok”. Excuse me – I should have been eating at 7:20 as well!

The lounge has been renovated – not too impressive at all in my opinion, the tables are so close to each other it looks like a school cafeteria. There’s no comparison between the lounge in Singapore Marriott and the exemplary lounges at JW Marriott Jakarta and JW Marriott Bangkok. These two also serve food/drinks way past the 7:30pm cut-off. I seriously expected more when I heard about the renovation. A request for late check-out at 4pm was met with “that will be half day charge sir, actually we can only give 1pm”. That goes beyond pathetic considering with Starwood, Platinum, Gold and even Preferred Plus have guaranteed 4pm check-out regardless of the booking situation. Marriott Platinum requires 25 nights more than Starwood’s equivalent.

The renovated room and suites are nice, but I’d expect things like decent upgrades and 4pm checkout to be the norm for Platinums. Instead, you always need to really push for them. Jakarta, Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur and even Phuket JW always do even 6pm check-out it if I need it. Will stay at the Ritz Carlton Millenia on my next upcoming trip.

10 September 2006
Singapore Changi (SIN/WSSS) – Bangkok Don Muang (BKK/VTBD)
Finnair AY/FIN 098
McDonnell Douglas MD-11
OH-LGE
2150-2310 – On Time
Business Class, Seat 1J


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After some lunch and strolling around Orchard Road, we headed to Changi airport around 4:30pm. Thanks to Finnair’s early check-in, we were able to get out boarding passes right away, and headed through immigration to the Qantas Club. Finnair gives invitations to the Skyview Lounge, but in my opinion the QF/BA lounge is much nicer so I tend to use it. Qantas doesn’t like it though, and this was yet another time they almost tried some BS how we should be using the Skyview Lounge before another agent corrected her. CX/QF give basically zero premium class award availability to partner oneworld programs, and they don’t seem happy with other benefits quite often too. Star Alliance carriers seem much better in these aspects in comparison based on my experiences. Though the AAdvantage program is so generous I can live with BA First awards instead of CX. Haha.

The QF/BA Singapore lounge is perhaps the biggest I’ve been to – absolutely massive. There’s a main food buffet with rather limited choices – pizza, sandwiches, cheese, fruit and some soup. There’s also a full service bar. I found us seats near one of the TVs – I definitely wanted to watch the F1 Italian GP so this was good. The Singapore Slings from the bar were pretty nice, but unfortunately we had to leave with four laps of the race left. Schumi leading and Alsonso out – definitely an interesting result for the rest of the season.

It was a full marathon from the lounge to gate D36 – where a long line was waiting with screens flashing “Gate Closing”. I absolutely hate this about Changi! Also I really don’t understand why premium passengers should be subjected to the same wait – surely the boarding pass/passport checkers could escort us past the lines. Don’t know whether the guys heard my protesting or if it was because of our son – but we were soon escorted past the lines. Unfortunately Suvarnabhumi will have gate screening as well – I really prefer a large and efficient screening point after immigration like at Hong Kong. In HKG, CX enforces briority boarding in an exemplary manner as well.

OH-LGE was waiting at the gate this time, and we had seats in the first row. A very friendly purser greeted us at the door. These non-PTV birds (LGE-G) have a different seat config as well – only three rows on the J/L side in the front cabin which means legroom in 1J/L is absolutely massive. But the bassinet fittings are different too – none in front of 1J/L unlike on the original Finnair birds. However, the crew said it’s ok to keep the bassinet on the floor in front of us. Pre-departure drinks were soon offered, and so were newspapers – I always enjoy reading the Finnish papers on these flights as I don’t really get to read them in Bangkok. Infant life vest and seatbelt were given of course as well.

Pushback was a bit early, and it looked like a full house in business again. A very powerful takeoff as usual, and service started soon after the seatbelt sign went off. Hot towels, wine lists but no menus again. Here’s my version of the latter:

Appetizers

Lamb with seasonal greens

King prawns with asparagus and glass noodle salad

Main Courses

Tenderloin of beef with creamy potatoes

Chicken curry with steamed rice

Fish with rice

Dessert

Petits fours

The food was really excellent, and I’m glad to see they still offer two choices of starters as well. I had the prawns and steak while my wife had the lamb and steak. I had pretty much the same drinks as on BKK-SIN, and service was again very good and attentive. We flew by Pattaya, Suvarnabhumi Airport and then circled somewhere east of Don Muang because of the arriving traffic at the old Bangkok International Airport. This would be my second last time arriving at Don Muang, and my wife’s and son’s last arrival there.

After a few minutes in the holding pattern, the usual “cabin crew prepare for approach” was announced, and a few minutes later the good old MD-11 touched down on runway 21L. Our arrival gate was again in pier 3 – gate 32 to be more exact. This worked nicely for immigration. The same friendly purser thanked us, and a LH agent retrieved the stroller and delivered it to the gate. Immigration was very quick considering we could use one of the official lines.

The taxi ride home was something I didn’t really need – my second time with one of those screwed up meters that have a switch somewhere. It would go one km normally, then always jump the next. I informed the driver of this in a not so nice manner, and suddenly his meter of course started working. What a f***ing moron. I was really tempted to rip out the darned thing from his car. He ended up getting 5 baht less than I usually pay with tip and collecting half of the money from somewhere between his feet and the pedals, but he was probably too happy to care after ripping off the guy going to the airport – 373 Baht and 65 km – and I bet he was coming from a downtown hotel. These scam artist lowlifes, while rare, give a bad name to all taxis here.

Verdict on AY

The Good
- The seats are excellent for BKK-SIN where most carriers have regional seats
- Service was professional and friendly
- Food was excellent
- The flights were on time, though BKK flights usually suffer if one MD11 goes tech
- The QF lounges at both ends are nice
- This Finnair I-class fare offers unbeatable value on BKK-SIN (and BKK-HKG for that matter)

The Bad
- Qantas Club Don Muang opening times
- No menus
- No pre lunch/dinner drink service
- Late evening departure from SIN

Overall very happy with Finnair on this trip, hope you enjoyed reading.


Next one:

15SEP BKK-SIN CX 713 J 744
- Ritz Carlton Millenia Singapore
16SEP SIN-BKK AY 098 J M11

Obviously ticketed with AY since CX would only sell such a fare with this Asiamiles crap.


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User currently offlineJoge From Finland, joined Feb 2000, 1444 posts, RR: 39
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 25167 times:

Great story!

Are you BTW in Thailand to stay for a while?

-Joge



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8596 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 24870 times:
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Hi Lari,

Another great report, many thanks for sharing your travel with us.

I agree, the Skyview lounge is pretty limited, though the showers are pretty good.

Look forward to the next report.

Regards

Mark



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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 33
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 24787 times:

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 2):
I agree, the Skyview lounge is pretty limited, though the showers are pretty good.

You're right - the Skyview has rainfall showers while the QF/BA lounge doesn't.

Quoting BA319-131 (Reply 2):
Look forward to the next report.

I should try to write some of the summer MNL/CEB trips... maybe. If not, then tomorrow's CX definitely.

Quoting Joge (Reply 1):
Are you BTW in Thailand to stay for a while?

Yeah been here for 1.5 years now and will stay for at least 1.5 years more.

Cheers,

Lari

[Edited 2006-09-14 20:28:36]


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User currently offlineThereAndBack From Turkey, joined Aug 2005, 699 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 24588 times:

The food looks great! Nice report and good pictures. The fabric on the new seats make them look not as modern as they really are.

User currently offlineJoge From Finland, joined Feb 2000, 1444 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 24474 times:

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 3):
Yeah been here for 1.5 years now and will stay for at least 1.5 years more.

That's cool!

If you're interested in a meet up in BKK, just let drop me a message.  Smile

-Joge



Bula!
User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 24341 times:

Thanks for the report. How did you manage to get the visa sorted out in such a short time? You arrived in SIN late in the evening, I presume you went to the embassy the next morning, and normally they say you have to come back the next day?

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13745 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 24335 times:

A very good and interesting trip report. It was interesting to see how your Finnair J experience contrasted with my Swiss J trip.

I got ripped off with a taxi too. 500 Baht from Don Muang to the Holiday Inn Silom? It's my own fault. I thought I was getting a good deal with a rate of S$1 = 230 Baht. Obviously it's S$1 = 23 Baht.



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User currently offlineChrisH From Sweden, joined Jul 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 24113 times:

How do you manage to live and earn money in Thailand? I would love to move out there myself but its easier said than done!

Nice report  Smile



what seems to be the officer, problem?
User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 23633 times:

Quoting Levent (Reply 6):
Thanks for the report. How did you manage to get the visa sorted out in such a short time? You arrived in SIN late in the evening, I presume you went to the embassy the next morning, and normally they say you have to come back the next day?

Not sorted out yet... I have one and so does my wife, but our son doesn't. I guess we'll have to get it sorted next month with the new rules coming.

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 7):
I got ripped off with a taxi too. 500 Baht from Don Muang to the Holiday Inn Silom? It's my own fault. I thought I was getting a good deal with a rate of S$1 = 230 Baht. Obviously it's S$1 = 23 Baht.



Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 7):
A very good and interesting trip report. It was interesting to see how your Finnair J experience contrasted with my Swiss J trip.

I think you were planning to take AY? I wasn't impressed with LX J at all when I took it. I finally nailed OH-LGG yesterday (the ex-Varig bird).

Yeah, it's a shame. Should be about 250-300 to HI Silom. I don't take taxis from the official line at arivals any more - way too high proportion of scam artists and old cars. Departures tends to be better and you avoid the surcharge as well.

Quoting ChrisH (Reply 8):
How do you manage to live and earn money in Thailand? I would love to move out there myself but its easier said than done!

Earning money here - hah. Won't happen! Unless you have decent savings or income from elsewhere, I can't really recommend moving here.



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4660 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 22989 times:

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Thread starter):
- This Finnair I-class fare offers unbeatable value on BKK-SIN (and BKK-HKG for that matter)

Also for SIN-BKK-HEL-LHR. It's around 2,660 Singapore Dollars for that if you book early enough.

Great report - I am taking AY on the above sector in April (have 1J reserved!), can't wait.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineSK973 From Sweden, joined Mar 2004, 327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 22814 times:

Good trip report! Nice to hear about AY's C-class!  Smile

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Thread starter):
I absolutely hate this about Changi! Also I really don’t understand why premium passengers should be subjected to the same wait – surely the boarding pass/passport checkers could escort us past the lines. Don’t know whether the guys heard my protesting or if it was because of our son – but we were soon escorted past the lines. Unfortunately Suvarnabhumi will have gate screening as well – I really prefer a large and efficient screening point after immigration like at Hong Kong.

Personally I think gate screening is great! You never get the insanely long lines that they have in other airports (AMS comes to mind) and you know that everyone in that line are going to the same plane.
Great for nonrevs who often get their seats 20mins before departure in SIN! Try doing that when you have maybe two lines for every flight in that terminal...


User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 22478 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 10):
Also for SIN-BKK-HEL-LHR. It's around 2,660 Singapore Dollars for that if you book early enough.

Interesting... I could only find 3990 SGD on Zuji and a bit over 4000 SGD on Finnair.com. Are you sure it hasn't gone up? BKK (I) went from about 72K to 92K in a matter of months.

Quoting SK973 (Reply 11):
Personally I think gate screening is great! You never get the insanely long lines that they have in other airports (AMS comes to mind) and you know that everyone in that line are going to the same plane.

Well I guess it depends. If they didn't announce final call in the lounge at SIN 40 minutes before departure, there wouldn't be any lines. It does piss me off to no end when a lounge agent announces final call, there's a long line at the screening and boarding is just starting.

But generally I'd rather clear security before heading to the lounges.



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4660 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 22042 times:

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 12):
Interesting... I could only find 3990 SGD on Zuji and a bit over 4000 SGD on Finnair.com. Are you sure it hasn't gone up? BKK (I) went from about 72K to 92K in a matter of months.

Sorry, the SIN-BKK-HEL-LHR is one way for 2660SGD. That's what I paid - tons cheaper than any other airlines business class on the one way Asia to Europe flights.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineChristao17 From Thailand, joined Apr 2005, 942 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 21759 times:

Hi Lari-

Thanks again for another fine trip report. I've got a run coming up in November for the annual visa renewal, so will have to start thinking about who to fly. Don't want to do any more Thai Air Asia! Already have two reports that I'm delinquent in writing.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 9):
Quoting ChrisH (Reply 8):
How do you manage to live and earn money in Thailand? I would love to move out there myself but its easier said than done!

Earning money here - hah. Won't happen! Unless you have decent savings or income from elsewhere, I can't really recommend moving here.

Oooh, harsh. ChrisH - there are many ways to make it happen, drop me a line if you want.



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