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Ultra Long Haul (2) KIX-ICN-YVR-YYC-YWG  
User currently offlineMEL From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1109 posts, RR: 12
Posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 26136 times:

This is part 2 for this trip report:

Ultra Long Haul YYZ-HKG Air Canada A345 Pics+vids (by MEL Sep 20 2006 in Trip Reports)

Osaka-Seoul Korean Air 747-400 HL7482
Seoul-Vancouver Air Canada 767-300 C-FMWU
Vancouver-Calgary Air Canada A319 C-FZUL
Calgary-Winnipeg Air Canada Jazz CRJ-705 C-FKJZ

Routing/Flight No: Osaka Kansai-Seoul Incheon KE722 Seat 40A
Aircraft: KOREAN AIR 747-400 HL7482
Load Factor: 60 Percent
Cruise Level: FL390
Flight Duration: 1hour 12mins
Pushback/Rotation/Touchdown: 09:40 / 09:56 / 11:08

There were several different flights I could take back to North America. I could have waited until later in the afternoon to fly 1 of the 2 Osaka-Vancouver Air Canada 763 flights, I could have flown United's 777 to Chicago, or JALs 744 flight to Los Angeles. But the weather was overcast, and they were using the non-preferred runway for spotting at the obs deck at Kansai, so I decided to take a Korean Air 744 to Incheon over an Asiana 763, or Korean A333 later that day.

I was given a seat assignment at check-in, a bulk head window. I moved a few rows back once onboard, to a row with 3 seats to myself. As we were boarding, a nice KLM 777 arrived, so I got some sweet photos of it blocking into the gate.

Departure roll was quick, and we turned left after departure, offering a great view of the new "addition" to Kansai. The second island is pretty much done, with the runway already complete, they continue to shape the land, though.

Korean Air had probably the best service I have experienced for a short-haul Economy Class flight. Full meal service, really attentive flight attendants (by the way, with their new uniforms, these girls look stunning). I mean 1 hour and 12 mins of flying time, and they still offer a full meal on a 747-400! Unheard of, by North American standards.

We landed at Incheon ontime, on a really awesome clear day. Cargo city there had tonnes of interesting traffic. Korean Cargo up the wazoo, Cargo 360, Jade Cargo, Atlas, FedEx, Northwest Cargo... list goes on. Too bad there was a lot of heat haze there... long distance shots were ruined by heat haze.

We deboarded, and I stayed in the transfer area for a while taking photos. I was asked twice to stop, but they didn't really seem too insistant about it. I then cleared customs, and went to check out the rest of the terminal.

Jesus Christ, is this a nice terminal. Brand spankin new, and totally modern-looking, as it should be. Lots of open space at the checkin lobby.

I checked in with Air Canada, and was given seat 27K for the flight to Vancouver. I also had to pay a departure tax of roughly 28 US Dollars. I went through security like 4 hours early, cause I wanted to take more photos. The tint on the windows meant most of the photos through the glass turned out a little green, but nothing that photoshop can't take care of.

There was a tonne of interesting traffic. Vladovostok Air Tu-154, Aeroflot IL-96, Lufthansa 346, and tonnes of Asiana stuff I never get a chance to see in Canada (777s, 333s, 321s). So I spent several hours walking freely throughout the entire terminal taking photos of planes, and the terminal itself.

Routing/Flight No: Seoul Incheon-Vancouver AC64 Seat 27K
Aircraft: AIR CANADA 767-300 C-FMWU (old colours)
Load Factor: 85 Percent
Cruise Level: FL350
Flight Duration: 9hours 35mins
Pushback/Rotation/Touchdown: 16:55 / 17:08 / 10:43

This was the first of 2 Air Canada 767-300s flying Seoul-Vancouver that day. I checked in at the front counter, and had to pay the departure tax of approximately $28 USD before clearing security. They gave me a window seat in Economy, 27K. I ended up having 2 seats to myself... which was good because of the high load factor of 85 percent.

We pushed back from the gate, where a company 763 was waiting to pull in. We taxied all the way to the other side of the airport. I was able to get some decent photos of various planes parked at the gates, as we taxied by.

Departure was early, meal service was served shortly after departure, and I went to sleep for a few hours. Without a PTV or something interesting to do on my laptop, I find it is fairly easy to fall asleep when I am bored.

Arrival into Vancouver was pretty standard. We did do 1 360 degree hold northwest of the city due to high traffic volume coming into YVR. I cleared Canada Customs at YVR in the blink of an eye with my Canpass card.

Routing/Flight No: Vancouver-Calgary AC210 Seat 22D
Aircraft: AIR CANADA A319 C-FZUL (hybrid colours)
Load Factor: 85 Percent
Cruise Level: FL370
Flight Duration: 1hour 2mins
Pushback/Rotation/Touchdown: 12:00 / 12:21 / 14:23

The load was pretty damn full, and Air Canada has numerous departures on the Vancouver-Calgary sector at around 12:00 noon. I guess they take lots of connections off the inbound flights from Asia.

We departed off RWY 26L and landed on RWY 16 at Calgary. Because I was stuck on an aisle, I have no photos or videos.

Routing/Flight No: Calgary-Winnipeg AC8336 Seat 15A
Aircraft: AIR CANADA JAZZ CRJ-705 C-FKJZ (green)

I usually record all the flight times/load factor/cruise level/runway assignments on the back of my boarding pass, but looking at the boarding pass now, nothing was recorded, which meant this was an uneventful flight.

The trip was great. I was glad to be able to fly Business Class on the A340-500 while they are still around in the Air Canada fleet. There is speculation that one of the first routes to be handed over to the 772/LR will be Toronto-Hong Kong, so I wanted to fly this route on the A345 sometime, and I had a great time.

It was awesome to see Seoul Incheon too. L'aeroport est encroyable! From the variety of traffic, to the interior design of the checkin lobby to the gates... it would be nice if North America could build brand new airports like they do in Asia.

I was really impressed with Korean Air too. My short flight with them was among the best short-haul service I have ever experienced, from the attentive and really good-looking flight attendants, to the full meal service, it was really impressive.

Thanks for reading!


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User currently offlineBAW076 From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2006, 750 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 26120 times:

Superb stuff from start to finish!

Great videos and pics.

Chris  wave 

User currently offlineKE086 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 26104 times:

Good Trip Report one of the best!!!! How did you like Incheon International? I live in Korea so I have been there many times and yet it still amazes me how nice it is. I love that airport.

User currently offlineN178UA From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1760 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 26105 times:
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Great photography and photo captions, enjoy your report tremendously while at a boring work Monday. Great to see blue sky everywhere you go!


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5534 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 26048 times:

Another Great trip report MEL. Great pictures and great videos. I really like how they serve the meal looks really good.

User currently offlineChristao17 From Thailand, joined Apr 2005, 980 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 25864 times:

Great report again, just like part 1.

Keeping the "civil" in civil aviation...
User currently offline9MMAR From Malaysia, joined Jul 2006, 2110 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 25827 times:

Superb report Matt. I think you are the only person with your own watermark comments on all photos here in the entire Trip Report Forum.

All your photos are absolutely wonderful.

Looks like Incheon has already joined "Asia's Gorgeous Terminal Club". Hong Kong, Kuala Lumpur, Osaka and Dubai are all extra ordinary beautiful terminals. Bangkok will join the Club very soon.

User currently offlineFlyingKangaroo From Australia, joined Apr 2004, 532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 25802 times:

Another fantastic report MEL! Those photos were great..so clear....made me feel like I was right there spotting too!

Hope to see more TR from you in the future!


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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3834 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 25653 times:

Another excellent TR MEL!  Smile

May I ask, what camera did you use?

Fantastic Pics.

Rob!  wave 

User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2131 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 25490 times:
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Another amazing report! Wow, the pictures are so clear! I've heard good things about both KIX and ICN, and they both look like really nice airports. Great pictures of the tails at Osaka and at Seoul. Those are a lot of cargo planes!

Looking forward to more reports


I love to fly!
User currently offlineSfomb67 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 24889 times:

Excellent report and pictures; long flight though. I noticed that at Osaka the KLM acft was being marshalled into his parking spot. Is this common there, or just at some gates (I haven't been there myself) ? Also, the AC673 you flew back on appears to have a lot of vortex generators on the L/E of the outboard flap. I really don't remember those on 763's flaps.

Not as easy as originally perceived
User currently offlineQFSYD744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 24479 times:


What kind of a digital camera do you have? The resolution is wonderful!

User currently offlineJetMech From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 2726 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 24148 times:

Wow! Fantastic effort MEL!  bigthumbsup 

JetMech split the back of his pants. He can feel the wind in his hair.
User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8743 posts, RR: 53
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 24133 times:
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Hi Matt,

1 word, excellent!

Loved both reports, pic's & video's.

Question if I may regarding the picture you posted showing part of the ramp outside the terminal, is it any good for spotting in general, ie would it be good for a day or 2? I'm not too worried about pictures, mainly after reg numbers.



User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7233 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 23982 times:

Great reports and some very nice pics there. Thanks for sharing

User currently offlineKLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 23974 times:

WHOAA! What an amazing trip report! You rock!

Keep on travelling so you can delight us with more of your fabulous trip reports!

KLM- The Best Airline in the World!
User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2608 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 23820 times:

Superb report - why write words when pictures tell the story?

Hope to read more of your reports in the future.


User currently offlineBae146tom From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 228 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 22215 times:

WOW, would just lyk to thank you alot for the AMAZING pictures and great read!
Tom Big grin

User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 22041 times:


I also enjoyed very much your report!!! Very nice those pictures you took of the planes at KIX specially those that I presume were taken when you were travelling in that train to your gate. I was happy to see good old PH-BQE again in KIX..I flew that exact airplane from AMS to KIX on the 25th. April 2005! Great flight, great service and great crew too.

User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1719 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 22025 times:


One of the best TR I have ever read. Loved the captions on the pictures!!!!

Home Airport: Capital Region International Airport (KLAN)
User currently offlineUrnla From Ukraine, joined Feb 2007, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 21634 times:

Superb report! Congrats!

User currently offlineWN230 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 341 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 21485 times:

Jaw-dropping  Wow!
That was one of the most nicely written and photographed tr's that I have read. You're certainly a great tr writer.


Judas Priest North American tour in '08 . . . cannot wait!!!
User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1595 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 20927 times:

Excellent report! Arguably one of the BEST reports I've seen!

And a fantastic photo of the gorgeous descent into YVR.

Quoting MEL (Thread starter):

Routing/Flight No: Calgary-Winnipeg AC8336 Seat 15A
Aircraft: AIR CANADA JAZZ CRJ-705 C-FKJZ (green)

Does AC have nonstop YWG-YVR service?

User currently offlineCrjflyer35 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 670 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 20807 times:

Great pics, my spotting at ICN turned out nothing like that, and I've been there 3 times....

Ok, wait for the RJ to pass, cleared to push tail south Mike, and you're cleared to spin #2 in the push.
User currently offlineMEL From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 1109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 20663 times:

Yeah, Air Canada flies a mix of A320 / EMB-190s on the Winnipeg-Vancouver route, but sometimes they are booked full, and you have to connect through Calgary.

Regarding Incheon, and spotting from curbside... there's gotta be a better place for grabbing tail numbers... somewhere closer to the runway. It was a decent place, but I wouldn't recommend spending hours upon hours there. You're pretty far from the runway centerline.

Camera details: 20D with 17-35L and 100-400L.

I think the KLM 777 being marshalled into its gate is standard.

Incheon is one of the nicest airports I have been to. And it is going to get a lot bigger when the first infield terminal opens in a few years. All in all, a very clean airport, and the wood floors in the boarding lounges are really nice.

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25 Stylo777 : really amazing pictures! you are a great photographer! my respects
26 Post contains images AH332 : Great Report with Amazing pics!!! Cheers, Imad
27 Avianca : real great report! very well done, and perfect pictures!
28 PAHS200 : great TR! great pics! michael
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