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Testing Qantas: SYD-MEL-SYD-BNE (B738, B763, A332)  
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6658 posts, RR: 78
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 12949 times:

Testing Qantas: SYD-MEL-SYD-BNE on B738, B763 and A332

After posting the report about my Emirates flights to Australia I'll now add some domestic trip reviews. More background information and the EK trip report can be found here:

Going Down Under: MUC-DXB-SYD On EK A332 & A345 (by PlaneHunter Sep 29 2006 in Trip Reports)


Intro
Shortly after I booked my Emirates flights to Australia in spring this year I added some Qantas domestic sectors to my itinerary. First of all I chose a flight from Sydney to Brisbane where I would stay most of the time during my visit. My plan was to spend a night at the Sydney Airport International Inn and continue the journey on the next day. So I chose QF524 (B767-300ER), departure time 12:05.

Some days later I added some more flights, including a QF round trip BNE-SYD-BNE for September 26 (B744 and B738), followed by a round trip to Hamilton Island (BNE-HTI-BNE) on Jetstar and Virgin Blue. However, some months later I found out that Qantas had changed the equipment of QF524 to a B738 – which meant I would get the B738 twice and miss the B763. Therefore I needed to react and finally decided in August to add an additional round trip, this time SYD-MEL-SYD, on Friday 22. Part of that "deal" was rebooking from QF524 SYD-BNE to another flight later in the day. The fare was still quite the same (some AUD 105), so I only had to pay the rebooking charge of AUD 50. The result was a tight schedule on Friday 22, with three QF flights on three different aircraft types.


Friday, 22 September 2006
Sydney (SYD) - Melbourne (MEL)
Qantas QF 405
06:30-08:00 (06:29-08:15)
Flying time: 01:29 (hrs)

Boeing 767-336ER
VH-ZXA (s/n 288), first delivered to British Airways 03/1990
Economy, seat 39K



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Check-in
At 05:00 in the morning I took the first bus shuttle to the airport and entered Terminal 3 which is run by Qantas. I approached a check-in kiosk and checked in for the round trip to Melbourne. Handling was very easy and within three minutes I chose my seats and got my boarding passes.

Then I tried to check in for the later BNE flight but my attempt was rejected, I got a printed message which suggested to ask a customer service agent. The next agent entered the data again and suddenly it worked. She only wondered why I wanted to check in my suitcase so early already and I said I would first go on a short rountrip to MEL before - with hand luggage only. Fortunately she didn’t ask uncomfortable questions about that and simply added I should be back on time in order to prevent a security alert caused by the deserted suitcase bound for BNE. Then I left my suitcase at an express counter and went through security.

Within a few minutes I reached my gate and checked the aircraft for the flight to MEL – it was VH-ZXA, a former British Airways bird (ex G-BNWE) with RR engines.



Flight
Boarding started as planned and I took my seat in row 39. Load factor was around 75% but I was lucky and the aisle seat remained empty. The interior showed its age, with one seat broken in the middle row and the reading lights on the right side fluctuating for a while. Cabin view:


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The seats were worn, but not uncomfortable. Pitch was sufficient.



Meanwhile the sun had risen and we were pushed back at 06:29.



12 minutes later we turned in for takeoff and lifted off into a beautiful blue sky, with Sydney’s skyline in the background. The international terminal was quite packed at this point of time.



Shortly after seat belt signs were switched a light and tasty breakfast was served, consisting of triple berry cereal, milk, fruit yogurt, a bread roll and a juice called "Fruit Frusion" – a mix of pineapple, orange and mango juice. Coffee and tea followed minutes later.



No airshow was available on the overhead screens, only some TV features. Headsets were distributed free of charge, but I didn’t use them.

The remaining flight was uneventful, though the captain announced a slight delay. Strong winds from the north limited the operations at Melbourne airport and we had to spend some time in the holding pattern.

Finally we turned in over large housing areas.



The approach was indeed bumpy with all the flaps shaking a lot all the way down to the runway.



After a rough touchdown we quickly taxied to the gate and I got off the plane at 08:15, just some 15 minutes late.

Melbourne Airport
Boarding for my return flight to Sydney would start at 09:00 so I had some 45 minutes to spend at the airport. For a short moment I was alarmed when I saw on the arrivals screen that two flights to SYD had been canceled, but fortunately QF420 was not affected...

"Yananyi Dreaming" being prepared for another morning flight:




Friday, 22 September 2006
Melbourne (MEL) - Sydney (SYD)
Qantas QF 420
09:30-10:50 (09:34-10:58)
Flying time: 01:06 (hrs)

Airbus A330-201
VH-EBA "Cradle Mountain" (msn 508), delivered 12/2002
Economy, seat 46A



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When the aircraft for my flight arrived I was glad to identify VH-EBA – the first A330 for Qantas, delivered in early December 2002.



The plane is named after "Cradle Mountain" which forms the northern end of the wild Cradle Mountain-Lake St Clair National Park, itself a part of the Tasmanian Wilderness World Heritage Area.




Flight
Boarding was started shortly after 09:00 and the load factor must have been somewhere around 90% this time. The cabin was in good shape, here are two pictures from the database:


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Seats were comfortable and pitch sufficient, but I wondered about the IFE box -because the aircraft is not equipped with PTVs.



We were pushed back at 09:34 and some minutes later I could have a look at Melbourne’s skyline.



Waiting for a Qantas B763:



At 09:48 the two GE engines started to accelerate and I could enjoy a powerful takeoff roll, followed by a steep climbout. The strong winds were still blowing, causing some turbulence.



Again, only TV features were shown on the overhead screens, but no airshow. Here we're cruising somewhere between MEL and SYD – exact position unknown:



This time drinks and a snack were offered, consisting of two delicious wattle seed biscuits. They were served along with a "Tablemat" – which "may also be used for easy litter disposal".



The remaining flight was uneventful and approach to SYD was started soon. Here's a view of the airport:



Some nice housing areas…



…a beautiful coastline with bold cliffs…



...and another attractive residential area:



Touchdown was smooth and after a short taxi I could leave the aircraft at 11:00.

Qantas Heritage Exhibition
While walking through the front gate area of Terminal 3 I noticed an entry to an area which seemed to be a lounge. Though, it turned out to be the "Qantas Heritage Exhibition". I walked up to the first floor and was surprised to find a hall, subdivided into several sections, with a collection of all kinds of Qantas memorabilia, pictures and documents from the early days until today. The interior is elegantly arranged, reflecting the pride in the airline’s history.

Here’s a collection of QF uniforms, along with the first airline seats on the left…



..compared to Qantas’ current Business Class seats.



Though still far from first delivery, the A380 is already present as a model:



The hall is not only full of interesting stuff, but a large window front provides an excellent view of the airport. This is VH-EBA being prepared for another Cityflyer service.



Here's a DHC-8 at the gate with a QF B747-400 taking off…



…and climbing away.



At around 12:00 a group of some 20 young Chinese ladies, all of them well dressed with black costumes, entered the lounge. They were accompanied by a TV team and led by a guy from Qantas who told them about the airline and its history. After walking around for a while they had to line up next to the uniforms and were asked to simultaneously articulate "Qantas" several times, followed by "Welcome to Qantas!" The last attempt apparently satisfied the guide...
It seems a bunch of new flight attendants was welcomed by its new employer.

I spent several hours behind these windows and nobody (staff included) asked me uncomfortable questions about writing down registrations. What a great facility – many airlines could learn a lesson from Qantas.


Friday, 22 September 2006
Sydney (SYD) – Brisbane (BNE)
Qantas QF 530
14:05-15:35 (14:11-15:32)
Flying time: 01:06 (hrs)

Boeing 737-838
VH-VXL "Charleville" (s/n 1172), delivered 07/2002
Economy, seat 27F



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Meanwhile I had checked my gate for the flight to Brisbane and watched VH-VXL arriving. One last shot from the Qantas exhibition area:




Flight
Boarding was started on time and I took my seat in row 27. The load was around 75% and fortunately the middle seat remained empty. Seat comfort and pitch were not different from the A330. The usual TV features were shown on the overhead screens. Cabin picture from the database:


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The aircraft was pushed back at 14:11 and takeoff followed 12 minutes later. After several widebody flights in a row the takeoff roll on the B738 appeared to be more rough and noisy than usual.
We turned right immediately, so no chance to see the skyline this time...



…instead I could spot a large golf course:



After flying over the ocean for a while we reached the mainland again, cruising along the coastline.



Since the flight was operated in between meal times another cookie snack was served. This time I got very delicious dark choc walnut & caramel and white choc banana biscuits.



Flying time was just barely over an hour and descent was started soon. Turning in for landing at BNE (airport on the left)...



...and crossing the Gateway Bridge, with VH-VXL’s shadow visible on the surface of the Brisbane River:



Touchdown followed at 15:29 and only three minutes later engines were shut down at the gate.


Conclusion
Domestic flying on Qantas was a real pleasure – clean, efficient airport facilities, quick and easy check-in, friendly FAs and ground staff. Drinks and food on board are free of charge, seats are comfortable, pitch not as humble as on most LCCs – and frequent widebody services available. Headsets are free of charge, but I’d prefer an airshow over TV features.

I payed some AUD 105-120 for each one-way flight which is not bad – considering I also got 1000 frequent flyer points for each flight. Virgin Blue fares were either as expensive as QF or slightly cheaper. Though, one has to pay for drinks and food and only gets B737s.

Next report: BNE-SYD-BNE on Qantas B747-400 (and B738 again).


As usual, comments, questions and criticism welcome!


Best Regards,
PlaneHunter

[Edited 2006-10-04 16:10:33]


Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
25 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineStylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2904 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12924 times:

nice report and good pics you made. how much did you pay for all flights in Euros??

User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12923 times:

Super report; superbly written, complemented by excellent photos.

I look forward to reading more.



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2582 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 12805 times:

Great report - nice to read about 3 flights on 3 different a/c types in one report.

User currently offline767747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1883 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12669 times:
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Great report! The food served on the short flights by Qantus looks pretty good!
I always like flying on the 737-800; its such a nice aircraft.

767747


User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6658 posts, RR: 78
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 12547 times:

Thanks for all your comments!

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 1):
nice report and good pics you made. how much did you pay for all flights in Euros??

I payed some 240 Euro for all three flights which also included a rebooking charge of 30 Euro for changing QF524 to QF530. And I booked SYD-MEL-SYD quite late, so I could have saved a bit by booking earlier.

Quoting 767747 (Reply 4):
Great report! The food served on the short flights by Qantus looks pretty good!

They even offer hot meals for lunch and for dinner.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineRyan h From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 1499 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12431 times:

Great report and pictures.

I saw one of my pics was used in the A330 section.



South Australian Spotter
User currently offlineUAL757 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 806 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12423 times:

How come the 738 seats look so much like *AA* seats?

User currently offlineZRHnerd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12413 times:

Great report, not too much text and nice pictures.

240 Euros seems quite cheap for two return trips on a mainline carrier.


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5520 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12143 times:

Quoting UAL757 (Reply 7):
How come the 738 seats look so much like *AA* seats?

I think these aircraft were meant for AA in the first place
Another Great trip report Hunter and great pictures too.
out of the cities you visited which city was the best SYD, BNE or MEL?


User currently offlineJetMech From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 2638 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12092 times:

Very nice work PlaneHunter thumbsup . I look forward to more of your reports.


JetMech split the back of his pants. He can feel the wind in his hair.
User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12066 times:

This is a well written report, interesting how you took flights just to go on the different a/c types  Smile
The pitch on the 738 isnt that great, im not looking forward to being stuck in one for 5 hours.

Cheers



Qantas, Still calling Australia Home.........
User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6658 posts, RR: 78
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11926 times:

Thanks for all comments!

Quoting UAL757 (Reply 7):
How come the 738 seats look so much like *AA* seats?

QF took some aircraft which had been intended for AA - but it's interesting to see they got the same seat design:


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Quoting ZRHnerd (Reply 8):
240 Euros seems quite cheap for two return trips on a mainline carrier.

Yes, one can't complain, considering that the low fares are not limited to certain early morning and late evening flights.

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 9):
out of the cities you visited which city was the best SYD, BNE or MEL?

Well, my schedule was very tight, so I couldn't explore SYD and MEL - though I could check Brisbane which is a nice city.

Quoting VHVXB (Reply 9):
I look forward to more of your reports.

I will add BNE-HTI-BNE in a few days.


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5520 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11921 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
Well, my schedule was very tight, so I couldn't explore SYD and MEL - though I could check Brisbane which is a nice city.

Fair enough at least you enjoyed it  Smile


User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11642 times:

I really think I need to try to get to Australia again... reading all these trip reports has started making my somewhat jealous...  Wink

The service provided by QF seems very good compared to the rather lackluster service here within Europe or the virtually non-existant service on most North American flights!

Thanks for writing the report!

Regards,
Frank



Smile - it confuses people!
User currently offlinePawsleykat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1978 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11630 times:

Nice report PlaneHunter, I wish to sample Qantas one day. They look a really nice airline. Brilliant pics btw  bigthumbsup 

JG



First Class passengers are my favourites. They can't get any further forward without an ATPL.
User currently offlineSafs From Australia, joined Dec 2005, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 11603 times:

Great report, PlaneHunter. I am glad you enjoyed the service provided by QF. You sure travelled a bit within Australia on many aircraft type. Which one did you prefer? I am glad you enjoyed my home city BNE!

User currently offlineMilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 854 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 11565 times:

When the first of the 738s were delivered to QF they featured AA seats, as the aircraft were originally intended for AA. But these have since been removed (1-2 years ago) and replaced with the standard slimline QF seats.

User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 11544 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Thread starter):
Qantas Heritage Exhibition

That is a great little area up there, one of the best views of the airport you can get and the staff are very friendly, I was up there for about an hour watching Cradle Mountain and talking to one of the staff members who told me quite abit about QF pilots and the like.

I also had a try of the Skybed but they had disabled all the features unfortunately.


User currently offlineMalmoaviation From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 385 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11517 times:

I like it.  Smile A 330 as a cityflyer, that's cool. It would be nice if the A380 is going to be a new Cityflyer Big grin

User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6658 posts, RR: 78
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11446 times:

Merci beaucoup for all new comments!

Quoting Leskova (Reply 14):
The service provided by QF seems very good compared to the rather lackluster service here within Europe or the virtually non-existant service on most North American flights!

Indeed, QF's service is classes ahead in comparison.

Quoting Safs (Reply 16):
Which one did you prefer?

The larger the better, so I vote for the B744.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 18):
I also had a try of the Skybed but they had disabled all the features unfortunately.

Interesting - unfortunately there are signs now prohibiting the use of the seats.

Quoting Malmoaviation (Reply 19):
It would be nice if the A380 is going to be a new Cityflyer

No doubt about that!  Smile


PH



Nothing's worse than flying the same reg twice!
User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8430 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11444 times:
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Very nice report, many thanks.

Nice to have 3 flights & 3 different aircraft types, much better than flying Virgin Blue and getting dull old 737's on each flight.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 14):
really think I need to try to get to Australia again... reading all these trip reports has started making my somewhat jealous...

- I agree Frank, thought it will be my first trip, gotta go soon!!  Smile

Rgds

Mark



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User currently offlineThadocta From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 396 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 11206 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 12):
QF took some aircraft which had been intended for AA - but it's interesting to see they got the same seat design:


Correct - it is interesting to look at the dates - Ansett (the only full service competitor to Qantas) collapsed on September 13, 2001. This placed a huge strain on demand for qantas services, and Qantas needed extra capacity.

This was only two days after the tragic events of September 11 2001, which also had an adverse effect on US carriers.

So, all of a sudden, AA found themselves with aircraft on order which they didn't need, whilst one of their closest partners found themselves needing a mass of extra capacity in a hurry.

It was a no-brainer.

(note, I am NOT wanting to get into the usual A vs B war here).

The QF group ultimately decided the A320 was a better aircraft - hence the reason why JQ ordered the A320. (Although there are other political considerations here).

But the ability to get the 73H in record time was what clinched the deal for QF Mainline back in late 2001/early 2002. Now that they have it, they will stay with it.

Dave


User currently offlineQANTASforever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10951 times:

I absolutely love the QF Heritage Exhibition. There's a lot of great info out there (books etc) about Qantas' history. They're certainly one of the proudest and loudest when it comes to celebrating their past.

QFF


User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4097 posts, RR: 90
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10724 times:
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Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 23):
I absolutely love the QF Heritage Exhibition. There's a lot of great info out there (books etc) about Qantas' history. They're certainly one of the proudest and loudest when it comes to celebrating their past.

Enjoy it while it lasts! They are about to put a 744 gearbox on display too but now that Macquarie Bank are about to take ownership of the facilities they want to turn it in retail and lounge space. This would be a great loss

Regards, PanAm_DC10



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6658 posts, RR: 78
Reply 25, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 10678 times:

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 24):
They are about to put a 744 gearbox on display too but now that Macquarie Bank are about to take ownership of the facilities they want to turn it in retail and lounge space. This would be a great loss

That would be a shame indeed - similar to what happened at FRA.


PH



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