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DAL - A Walk Down Memory Lane  
User currently offlineType-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 7 months 10 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

After ferrying a aircraft to DAL yesterday I decided to take some time and go to the terminal and take a trip down memory lane just to see what was left of the old place. I had made many trips thrrough DAL before DFW was built while I was in college. I still remember the day the weather teletype switched the code from DAL to DFW!
I first went over to the Legend Airlines Terminal and looked around. There were 2 DC-9's (or were they MD-80's?) parked there. I could only see the tops of the tails with the Legend logo on them. At the terminal I was looking through the windows. The place looks like it just shut down yesterday. All the Legend logos and baggage carts, desks are still there. A security guard came out of the building and wanted to know what I was doing there as Legend was no longer in business. I told her I was just looking around to see if everything was still there. She said she thinks that AA has leased the building and will be moving in soon. That L-1011 that belongs to some shiek is still sitting on the field.
Went back over to the original DAL terminal. Boy, the old Braniff section is delapidated. I got to see part of the inside through the windows and it has been scraped clean. I remember walking from there to the main terminal center and what a long walk that was. Anyway, the "airport of the future" is gone forever. I remember as a teen taking the BI Jetrail to the terminal from the parking lot. Help needed here: Did they tear down the old BN concourse wing? I seem to remember that the Jetrail terminated at the beginnning of the BI concouse area now where there are small buildings.
Back to the main building terminal. I walked down the East Concourse and saw some ancient moving sidewalks. These look like they haven't been used in 30 years or so. The exterior side panels still sport the 1960's "tweed" covering. I would be afraid to run power through them. Continuing down I saw the two gates that CO has. I still remember these concourses being longer than they are today. AA had a Fokker 100 awaiting departure for ORD, I believe.
I took a walk on the North Concourse. Saw two Delta gates and a small commotion. It seems the DL flight to ATL was overbooked and delayed and they were bussing pax over from cancelled DL flights at DFW! I walked on past this and soon the walls turned into clouds and a number of WN awards and moments appeared on the walls. It seems this is where the WN training center is! I also saw a sign on a locked door that said "Vintage Interiors" on it. Any ideas on what could be in there? Down the hall a few more feet was a turnoff that went to the outside. I think this used to be a small gate way back when. There was a canopy and a crashed lift loaded with debris outside the locked doors. Just then I noticed right next to me a row of ancient departure lounge chairs complete with fake wooden arms!
Then of course there is the West Concourse where WN has its home. Modernized in WN style it's quite utilitarian but still stylish with lots of glass block with embedded neon lights.
I think that the City of Dallas did a nice job rennovating the rental car areas as well as the baggage claim area. You can still see the original design.
All in all it was nice to see DAL still being used but it still seems only a shadow of itself from former times. I still remember 747's, DC-10s, BAC111's being all over the place. I also remember that the mosaic of the world on the floor in the center terminal used to be in the middle of the room, where now due to construction it's off to the side slightly. It also seemed to have originally been built as the same time as the original STL and ATL airport terminals as they had simular architecture. The nice bright and shiny new airports are nice, but I really like the old ones back from the Golden Age of Aviation.
I went up to the "Frontiers Of Flight" museum but they were closed. Back downstairs there was a display case with an old AA F/A uniform as well as some BN outfits and a BN 727 model in the "Ultra" livery. It seems they are having a "History of the Flight Attendant" exhibit this month at the Museum. On June 8th they are having a panel disussion with some retired F/A's about flying back in the good old days.
Does anyone else out there have memories of DAL in former times? I seem to remember that most of the concourses were just as long as the West one is today. Now the others seem much smaller.

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User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1620 times:

I do not have any memories of DAL, but I do know that if you go to www.braniffinternationalairlines.com you can see pictures of Love Field during its heyday. Plus, many people forget that Love Field is where President Kennedy landed that aweful day in November, 1963.


God bless through Jesus, Jeff
User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

I am sorry, it is www.braniffinternational.org


God bless through Jesus, Jeff
User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5618 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1591 times:

The Jetrail ended at an elevated portion at the eastern end of the BN concourse- near what was BN's baggage claim area, along with their "round" gate area. I don't think any of it has been torn down yet (though it's likely to be soon, based upon recent city council yammerings); but after DFW opened, the BN area was renovated into office space for AOA (Aviation Offices of America, an aircraft insurance company, later known as American Eagle Group).

Did you know (since you're based at IAH, I assume you do, but many others don't) that, after DFW opened, and WN had just a small operation in AA's old wing, that the main hall of DAL, as well as much of the ticketing concourse to the east of the main hall, were remodeled into a sort of amusement park/ entertainment center, called LLOVE (two Ls), with skating (roller in the east area, ice skating over the terrazzo mosaic, thank God it was not destroyed!); movies upstairs (where Frontiers is now); and games, etc. The idea was that they needed something to do with that big unused building; hard to believe, now.

The east Concourse you described (from the main hall, with a moving sidewalk) was Delta's domain, as I recall, along with CO, and TI and EA had the middle concourse; someone correct me where I mess up, my memory's fading on this stuff.

I enjoyed going on the open-air observation deck often, and I had a father who would indulge me in this (as well as riding around on the Jetrail for fun, I kid you not). The Delta DC-8's made that peculiar "Howl" when they started up; I thought that was pretty cool.

Flying in to DFW today, from Gulfport/Biloxi, we went right over DAL and I had the chance to look at it; you really cannot tell, at all, where the old "deleted" runway (it was something like an 8/26, but I really don't know) was, nor can one tell where the original terminal was (it was pretty much where the Dalfort / Legend stuff is now). One of these days, I'll post some pictures I've found of Love in the old days of the Lemmon Ave. terminal, with DC-3s, DC-6s and DC-7s.

Now, do you have any memories of Amon Carter Field (Greater Southwest Int'l)? That's a story for another day, too!



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineType-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1588 times:

Thanks for the update.
Believe it or not, I did not know about the LLUV amusement park! I went through DAL many times until about 1973, then I didn't get back there again until about 1983. I was MSP/ORD based during those years. I guess LLUV came and went during those years.
I remember when WN only had 3 gates amidst the many AA gates. I believe that AA was located in the West Concourse where WN is now. I believe that WN only had about 6 planes at the time.
I do remember the "howl" that DC-8's had. When you took off in one of those, you really knew you were going somewhere!
The only memory I have of the old Greater Southwest Airport is that I was at the AA Pilot Training Center back around 1973 which was right across the street from the airfield. I saw the old terminal standing there and I knew that AA used that airport for actual flying practice. You could see AA DC-10's, 727's performing touch and go's. Now THAT's a sight to be seen. Since I was busy I never got a chance to go look at the terminal. I imagine it is long gone by now. Do you know when/who used to use Greater Southwest? Was there ever airline service out of there?


User currently offlineJason Seiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1575 times:

There was an article on Amon Carter Field in Airliners or Airways magazine (I wanna say Airliners...) about four years ago. It had semi-recent photos (for the time) of the terminal, inside and out, plus historical photos, including said AA aircraft doing training on site.

I'll see if I still have that magazine, but I fear for the worst on its fate.





Jason Seiple
OMA
jasonseiple@hotmail.com


User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5618 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

AA had the most service there since, as it turns out, Amon Carter was a prominent AA shareholder and, I believe Director, as well as being the Mayor of Ft. Worth (and an avowed Dallas-hater). AA maintained a reservation center in a very prominent hangar on the grounds of GSW, pretty much up until it was demolished. Ironically enough, where GSW stood is now the CentrePort development, hom eof the AMR Corporate Campus.

There is no trace of GSW on the site of the airport, but (again, irony being what it is) you can still see a little bit of one runway on the grounds of DFW Airport, as GSW had a runway which went across State Highway 183, and the portion on the north side of 183 remains. At least, it was last time I arrived at DFW from the south, and on the right, in daylight.

They used to have many good airshows at GSW, and I'd wander the terminal which was quite nice for its time, being a showplace compared with the piece of crud DAL was back then.

A couple of images of Amon Carter / Greater Southwest(and apologies in advance if the links don't work...)


http://catalog.dallaslibrary.org/web2/tramp2.exe/display_attachment/A0vpc2jo.002?type=image&server=1home&item=1&item_source=1home

http://catalog.dallaslibrary.org/web2/tramp2.exe/display_attachment/A0vsofem.001?type=image&server=1home&item=2&item_source=1home

If these don't work (and they might not work at night in any event, as the Dallas Public Library claims not to offer its catalog function between 2330 and 0700), I'll try to see about getting them uploaded somewhere. Copyright may be an issue, as well.

There are a lot of interesting photos of DAL, but time does not permit me to do the linking, without dereliction of duty, so more later.

Type-rated, I'd sure like to visit some more with you on this stuff, and I'm now motivated to do some research into the LLove thing (seems almost surreal), and maybe write one of those article thingies....



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5618 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1582 times:

OK, as I feared, the links aren't links per se.

If you go into the Dallaslibrary.org web site, and do an adanced catalog search for "greater southwest" with the material type limited to "photographs," you'll get links to two great pix of GSW at its opening ceremonies.

And you'll see why Dallas politicians didn't like that airport- called, "Greater Ft. Worth International Airport" in big letters.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineTeXstud323 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1549 times:

WOW! took me there too... I'm 38 now so that will gauge my age during the Love Field era. I absolutely remember DAL being the main airport for the area .. AND OF COURSE THE JETRAIL.. but at that age I looked upon it as if it were an amusement park ride. I remember being in the gate area readying to board an AA707 to Baltimore FRIENDSHIP AIRPORT (not too bad of member eh?) and thinking that the lightning bolt at the nose was really cool to me. In later years when Muse Air was flying (I'm ex-Muse emp.) we had 3 (maybe 4) gates and the next one over which was the
last gate of that concourse (#15 I think) still had AA, and even odder still, the old Circle AA Eagle and podium. Not many people may have seen and/or realized this because at that time there was no real reason the masses would have ventured that far down.

Great Southwest Airport.... remember that one too! Not as an operating airport as this was in the early/mid-to-mid 70's, well up until '74. lot's of touch-and-go's as mentioned earlier. The entry doors to the terminal were never locked and we would walk to the very end of the middle concourse and watch the planes. Do you remember the runway bridge over Airport Freeway? Only once did I ever see it used and the aircraft was an FAA 707/720? zipping by. The terminal was total ghost town.. the 50's versions of Delta, Braniff, American decor shadowed on the walls of the Ticket Counters. It was also the first and only time I saw water fountains for both Blacks and Whites.. fortunately only in ghost form .. but creepy none-the-less actually seeing that. There were also 4 very delapidated DC-4s that had no barriers to get at, this was too cool to me as they still had seats.. one of the -4s was in not-too-bad condition interior wise but the others were just ripped up.. all of the avionics were in Spanish, what avionics that were still there.

I lived accross the street from the old Braniff Stewardess Training Center (hey, that's what it was called then  Innocent ) It was only in '97 (moved to L.A. '98) that an estate type sale was held... Most of the items were restaurant in nature and had belonged to LTV ... BUT... the interior was amazingly NOT REDONE over years and walking into that building, that day, was like walking into Braniff International circa '67/'68.. just total Pucci! Pucci everywhere, South American Folk Art and some areas had... WOOD PANELING!!!! with GOLD SHAG CARPET TO MATCH!!! very shagadelic Big grin Not all of the items for sale were LTV.. all of the dorm furnishings/art were still BI style. That day I felt that I knew what it would be like to be a ghost!  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineTurboTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

All I have to say is that the post was very moving. I will always remember STL w/ TWA probably the same way you remember Love Field with BI  Smile

TurboTristar


User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5618 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

Oy! Your GSW memories are spot-on; I always went there for air shows with my (limitless patience) Dad, and it was really strange to wander around Amon Carter Field's terminal. Maybe a point of pride, but Ft. Worth maintained it well to the end, and although the terminal handled no scheduled flights at all at the time, it was still clean, air conditioned, and exactly as you've described. There were sometimes even airport shuttle cars (stretched stationwagon things with Olds Toronado fronts and drivetrains- very strange too) right outside the empty baggage claim.

That airport was quite apiece, but doomed from the git go.

The Hwy. 183 tunnel has not been gone all that long really...

And I too remember climbing around in the DC4's, most of which sat back on their tails after having had the engines removed. What I recall most is that the seats were the most incredibly small and cramped I had ever seen- I think they were like 4 & 3 or something incredibly cramped like that, so narrow that they could not really have been called seats.

Memory lane!



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineTeXstud323 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1489 times:

topic: Sccutler - DC-4's

Kewl!!! your post reminded me that they did have airshows there too! I mostly remember Carswell A.F.B. airshows but yeah, and the old B-36(?)that
sat there for the longest time.. I believe the DC-4s
had 3 X 2 seats which was awfully packed for an
airplane that size I thought. They were good fun
for a kid until summertime when searing Texas heat
and the Red Wasps that also enjoyed those DC-4s
along with, and mostly due to, someone using the
lavatory... for .. yknow...THAT! ewwww..

P.S. I cried when BN died too! but good memories
can be had with the new Star Jets/Gemini Jets two-tone DC-8, 727-100 and 727-200 models that are
out..and of course "747 Braniff Place" ... I got 'em all
 Big thumbs up


User currently offlineBlink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5485 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1479 times:

WOW!! I never knew my city had this much aviation history to it. My Dad always tells me about his experiences and the history of DAL and how majestic it was. Next time I go to DAL, I will have a little more appreciation for it. The Frontiers of Flight museam is great(thats where I get my herpa's and Schabak's) aswell as offering a great view of the Southwest Concourse. My Dad said that the jetways that Southwest uses were the ones American originally used, is this true?
Thanks for taking me back in time in local aviation, this by far is one of the better threads I have read.
rgds,
blink182



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User currently offlineBlink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5485 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

Was the Braniff Stewardess college right next to GSW? If it was, I know exactly where GSW was. Today, the former BSC(braniff stewardess college) is now Parkgate Nursing home(as by the pictures) I had no clue that was where the hottest FA's trained for their job. I find that interesting on why the bars on the balcony go all the way, at first when I saw that building(I have passed it dozens of times) I thought it was mean to do that, but now I know why. In case if you are wondering where it is, I think it is by one of the toll booths of the Toll Road(a major highway going into downtown). I think it is also reasonably close to Park Place Mercedes and Audi(I think Lexus too) in Dallas. If I get a chance, I may persuade my mom to take me in there to see if it has anything left from the Braniff days.
rgds,
blink182



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User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5618 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1471 times:

Blink-

AA's Stewardess Academy was (still is) across 360 from GSW;

And yes, the Southwest concourse used to be all AA's domain right up until DFW opened; I remember going all the way to the end of the concourse and looking at AA's DC-10's when they were new; AA would light htem up brightly so they'd show well.

At the "corner" of Southwest's concourse (right in front of gate 4), there used to be more space, and less restaurant, and AA had a big, flat mobile thing hanging from the ceiling; it was up at DFW for a while, but I honestly don't know if it's there anymore or not.

Anyone here remember that, when DFW opened, AA only had 1/2 of a terminal, and Eastern, the other half?



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineBlink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5485 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1465 times:

Sccutler- And, If I am correct, I think Delta had it's own terminal and Braniff had it's own also.
Also, was Eastern really that big in Dallas at that time? I thought they were fairly small in Dallas in the sixties-early/mid seventies. Man, I hope this topic stays up for a long time, this is cool.
rgds,
blink182



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User currently offlineJason Seiple From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1469 times:

Looking at an Eastern Airlines timetable dated May 1, 1978:

Daily Dallas/Ft. Worth Service consisted of the following routes and frequencies:


9 x DFW-ATL
2 x DFW-MIA
2 x DFW-TPA

Not a whole lot of service.




Jason Seiple
OMA
jasonseiple@hotmail.com


User currently offlineBlink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5485 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1464 times:

Wow, I thought Eastern was smaller than that at DFW. I thought they had maybe 3 DFW-ATL and 3 DFW-MIA.
blink182



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User currently offlineTexstud323 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

Blink182 ( I luv that band too!)

George Cearley (author, avid aviation fan, Dallas resident) published an excellent book several years back that was about Dallas Love Field with tons of great pics. He only publishes a limited amount so it may be hard to come by. If you have any of his publications there should be an address to write him ...or... check out the yellow pages or internet sites for hard-to-find book search services for it.. if the price is right, get it, you'll dig it! Are you familiar with Associated Air Center's terminal on the east side of the field? The circle (George Coker Circle) used to be the front drive of the 1930's/40's/50's era terminal. The standing terminal now was opened, I believe, in 1962 (my birth year). It was primarily in green and rust colors. The silvery techno-look it has now was done in the mid 80's. I'm leaving work right now, I'll gather up some stuff and home and re-post to you.... c-ya soon


User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5618 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1444 times:

I tried to post some of these earlier, but the link wouldn't work, and I don't have time to set up a page for it.

Go to http://www.dallaslibrary.org and do an advanced catalog search, limit it to photographs, and use "love field" as the key words. You'll see some really fine pictures, including some of the old terminal on Lemmon Ave., at various stages of its history, as well as some aerials and some great photos of vintage airliners.

There's a great pic of the "new" Love Field terminal right after it opened, which was just a little bit earlier than you mentioned, Texstud; the picture shows the front in April, 1958, when I believe the new terminal was really new.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineTexstud323 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (13 years 6 months 1 week ago) and read 1429 times:

DAMN those links! Big grin, I have holy #$&! with getting links to work as well. Yup, '58 is right (it's just so hard to imagine life prior to 1962..at least..in color that is... Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Another G.C. book with lots of Love Field pics is any book about Braniff International that he published! Again, they can be hard to come by but if you do find 'em, they're very well put together. There's one about Braniff and it's in color.. (wow, life prior to 1962 was in color??!!)

 Big thumbs up


User currently offlineBlink182 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 5485 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (13 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1424 times:

Sccutler- can you help direct me(give me instructions) because I came up with only 3 pics and they were black and white and were: DC-3s in a hangar(1951) guy working in the offices(1951) and an overview map(1957) and they were all black and white.
rgds,
blink182



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User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5618 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (13 years 6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1415 times:

Blink-

I sent you an email with a screen snap of a search which yields 131 hits. They are nearly all black and white, but many are fascinating.



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