I have been living in Mexico for 3 weeks on an assignment and finally got some time to explore some of the domestic new-comers. Since I was in the very glamour-less town of Ciudad Juarez, I decided to escape to the epitome of all things “fresa” city of Monterrey to eat some good food, party hard, and generally spend lots of cash. It also helps that I have a friend living in Chipinque with a swim pool that has views to die for flew Viva Aerobus on both outbound and inbound flights; this is the first Viva Aerobus trip report with pictures (hehe) and the first to have pics from CJS. I will have some comments on the return flight later, but no trip report.
II > Pre-Flight:
a) Before Airport:
Booking for the entire trip was made using Viva Aerobus’ website at www.vivaaerobus.com. The website is fast and booking is done in a jiffy. You also have the ability to view/edit/modify your reservation as well as check-in online. However, the online check-in process is meaningless as you still have to go to the airport check-in counter and be assigned a boarding group. Since VIV has free seating, choosing a seat is of course not an option.
b) At Airport:
CJS Airport is small, efficient, and adequate for the community it serves. However, the process to check-in is far more complicated than it needs to be. Despite having check-in online, you still have to go through to the counter to obtain the “real boarding pass” and be assigned a boarding group. Prior to entering the check-in area, you press the green/red button (sort of what exists at customs on arrival at many Latin airports) and have your hold luggage opened and screened by a representative. I found this pretty retarded given that prior to the actual check-in, a representative from the airline opens and checks EVERY hold luggage. However, both checks are extremely sloppy and I got the impression that it was cursory. All my bag got was a touch-and-go.
The explosion of airlines in Mexico is evident as Viva Aerobus does not have its own counter (see picture), but a stall in front of the other airlines. Check-in was quick; people with over 1 hold luggage had to pay an expensive fee. The boarding pass was a printed paper (ex-Monterrey-their hub, check-in is grocery receipt styled, sort of like NK) and had a yellow marker highlight “A” (my boarding group). Counter staff were professional and seemed in a rush to get through the boarding process. Not rude, but not cheery either.
After check-in, I had another Tecate light at the pre-boarding café and then headed to the boarding area (2 jet bridge gates and 2 walk-to-plane gates) after clearing security. Now security was interesting as they ask for your passport and your arrivals card. As usual, my Liectenstein passport got many confused looks; further compounded by my ability to speak Spanish .
Ok, the boarding area has another small café/bar and a little newsstand. What I found absolutely bizarre was the complete lack of any visual-flight-display-units to tell passengers the status of their flight, gate information, etc. Until the last minute, it was a guessing game to figure out which gate would be for what flight.
Boarding was announced as soon as the arrival aircraft was seen and I was very impressed at the expedited ability to turn-around the aircraft for the return flight. It seems that Ryan Air management has done a good job. Perhaps Air Deccan could learn a few things here! However, boarding was absolutely chaotic! First, the gate agent made an announcement that she would collect the stubs of the boarding passes. After she had done so, minutes later, she made another announcement to form lines (A/B/C/D) based on the boarding pass. Now this made for an interesting thought in my head … what if I gave my boarding stub in and then simply walked out of the airport … how would the crew ever verify that I was not on board? Its not like they checked the names against a manifest either at the gate or did a count inside the plane … anyways. The lines were more like mob and my group A had this particularly annoying lady who kept on pushing people aside to get to the front of the pack. It was pretty bad. In the rush of pushing and shoving, I forgot to take a picture. The lines were probably the worst I have encountered in a very long time. I must say though, the line management on the return flight ex-MTY was far superior.
Anyways, after embarking on the aircraft, passengers made a mad dash to the seats via jet-bridge. Since I was at the tail end of group A, I managed to only end up in 19F. What I found annoying was that both the exit row seats (those in 733 with no one in front) were taken by unformed VIV staff (red polo + khakis; unlike green for the FAs).
While the cabin of the B-733 was clean, seat pockets were filthy and the aircraft was definitely showing its age. The crew greeted us with a smile and assisted some passengers to their seats. Load was around 75%.
Airport - External:
(Ciudad Juarez Airport)
Check-In:
(Notice the make-shift counter)
Airport - Internal:
(Pre security area)
(Post security area)
Scenes of the tarmac:
(Aviacsa; they must have one of the more interesting liveries out there)
Lounge
NONE
Boarding:
NONE
III> In-Flight:
a) Service Schedule + Impressions:
Immediately post take off, inflight sales of food and beverages began. VIV offers nothing complimentary.
b) Aircraft + Seats:
This was probably the most rickety aircraft I had flown since Adam Air’s B735 on the SIN-CGK sector in Sep 2006 (http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/87737/). The aircrafts clearly showed their age, made loud and weird noises at take-off, and had bins open mid-air. Seat pocket was filthy; thankfully the bathroom was clean. Oh, the seat was probably the most cramped seat I have EVER sat on in my life (disclaimer: I have never flown Ryan Air). The seat was cramped and I could barely fit my legs (I am 5-9). In fact, even with the middle seat empty, I found it hard to position myself. Finally, the seats did not recline and the width seemed way below norm. Overall, it made for an extremely uncomfortable flight and a reminder on why I should not experiment with super LCCs.
Aircraft:
Views from Aircraft:
(At Monterrey airport, another Viva Aerobus 733. Given how much I like the Aladia and Interjet logos, the VIV logo is just BLAH)
Seat Leg-Room:
(Try fitting in)
Seat Recline + Angle View:
(No recline)
Cabin:
c) Meal + Beverage:
Everything on board VIV is for sale; this includes water. Given that I was going to the ritzy Senor Tanakas in Monterrey, I decided not to eat anything. However, the flight did have good sales and people were getting all kinds of beer and liquor. I am sure, VIV will make good money on this.
(Purchase Menu)
d) Inflight Entertainment:
No IFE. No inflight magazine. Nothing.
(In-flight magazines, Boarding Passes, etc. – featured here is the cheapish boarding pass)
e) Crew:
Blah. One of the crew member was this 18 year old guy who was over-zealous in telling me that photography was banned in-flight. Of course, when challenged, he could not bring backup documentation. I could not understand any of the announcements made in English. However, to their credit, they were fast and efficient with having the food+beverage sale cart move down the aisle and also seemed to have develop a sign language to communicate with the galley on what a passenger would want (and what was missing from the cart).
IV> Post-Flight:
Bags came out in 20 minutes; this was better than on the return when bags took an unbelievable 45 minutes to arrive at the small CJS! Viva Aerobus exclusively uses the ware-house called “terminal C” which follows a minimalist IKEA design. Can some of my “REGIO” friends tell me why there is a terminal A and a C, but not a B? Interestingly, many of my local friends did not know how to get to this terminal and some thought there was no access for regular cars.
(Terminal C “warehouse”-Monterrey Airport)
V> Impressions + Scores:
Everything about Viva Aerobus is cheap. Their aircrafts are rickety; the boarding pass is shabby; their crew is unrefined; and there is not even free water on board. All this translates to their (rightful) claim as the low cost airline of Mexico. Despite my negative review, it needs to be made clear that VIV is not in existence to win accolades. Its established to bring air travel to the very price sensitive Mexican market and I am sure it will do well. I would recommend the airline for those on a tight budget and remind them that the low fare means bare-bone service. Personally, I would not fly with them as I did not feel safe. Their aircraft was poorly maintained and I am wary that the crew onboard lacks experience to deal with a situation. Hopefully, I will never have to be proved wrong/right on this. Finally, I strongly maintain that even the cheapest LCCs can offer some basic water and other provisions. Viva Aerobus could do the same and can continue to polish their product. Given my recent experience in India, perhaps they can send their staff to learn a few things about being professional from Spice Jet or Indigo.
Reservation: 8.0
Check-In: 5.0
Lounge: n/a
Boarding: 3.0
Seat: 1.0 (Worst Review)
Aircraft Overall Ambience: 2.0
IFE: 2.0
Crew Service: 4.0
Food: 4.0
Beverages: 5.0
Amenity Kits + Others Freebies: 5.0
Disembarkation: 6.0
On-Time Record: 10.0 OVERALL IMPRESSION: 4.58
(Pre-flight average of all-reviews: 6.53/New Calculation based on feedback from this report onwards)
(Scores are based on comparison with other airlines in THAT class of service – No comparison of Y vs. F for example)
(Note on Codes: Y – Economy, J – Business, F – First :: I/D – International/Domestic :: SR/MR/LR – Short/Medium/Long Haul :: I have designed these codes so people don’t believe my scores are comparing apples and oranges)
BA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8276 posts, RR: 56 Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 24506 times:
Great report, very interesting.
I must say the seating looks very crampt, iI'm 5'8 so not much smaller than you - it looks bad in that picture.
Regardfing paying for water, that's terrible, not evern free water, amazes me!
Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2397 posts, RR: 10 Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 24442 times:
Good trip report, it has been a long time since I last flew to CJS. The airport has changed a lot... thanks for sharing the pictures. I will be there in April flying Interjet, so now I know what to expect!!!
I would say EasyJet management, since Viva's CEO comes from U2...
Quoting Abrelosojos (Thread starter): Oh, the seat was probably the most cramped seat I have EVER sat on in my life (disclaimer: I have never flown Ryan Air).
Viva has 148 seats in their B733 which could be considered cramped coming from tall person. It should be like 30'... But I would rather spend 1.5 hours in a Viva airplane rather than 10 hours in a bus!!
Abrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 4919 posts, RR: 55 Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 24403 times:
Quoting Rojo (Reply 2): I will be there in April flying Interjet, so now I know what to expect!!!
= Looking forward to the TR
Quoting Rojo (Reply 2): I would say EasyJet management, since Viva's CEO comes from U2...
= Yes, Mr. Mike Szucs does come from Easyjet. I mentioned Ryanair because Viva is owned in part by the Ryan family.
Quoting Rojo (Reply 2): But I would rather spend 1.5 hours in a Viva airplane rather than 10 hours in a bus!!
= Tough call ... Mexico has an excellent bus system and it would be a toss up for me on a night bus. However, I do see your point and remember ... IAMSA (Mexico's bus company) is the other big shareholder .
Abrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 4919 posts, RR: 55 Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 24278 times:
Quoting IB6400 (Reply 4): As always... absolutely suberb trip report!!!
= Muchas gracias.
Quoting IB6400 (Reply 4): Nevertheless, load factor was quite good...
Quoting IB6400 (Reply 4): That means there are airlines for everybody.
= Dont get me wrong. I think Viva Aerobus has a very sustainable model. I am just here to make people aware of what they are getting into when they fly VIV.
KLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 20 Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 24250 times:
Hey Abrelosojos! Great Trip Report! Very good pictures and very good details about your flight with VIVA. I would definately like to try them as to feel the ultra LCC experience though it looks like you really have to expect what you payed for. I'm amazed at how cheap they can be, and VIVA goes loyal to the "you get what you pay for" motto.
Anyway, there's always an airline for everyone. Good luck
Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 5): = Dont get me wrong. I think Viva Aerobus has a very sustainable model. I am just here to make people aware of what they are getting into when they fly VIV.
Yup exactly, it's the same thing as riding an uncomfortable bus. So for a sector of the population, it's just the same thing but faster.
Hope I can be more like you and write very well documented trip reports. I have been flying a lot in the past 2 years that I can barely find time to write one.
Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 3): = Yes, Mr. Mike Szucs does come from Easyjet. I mentioned Ryanair because Viva is owned in part by the Ryan family.
Lets call it a mix of Ryanair and Easyjet, eventhough Ryanair has said that they have nothing to do with Viva; it is only Tony Ryan and his family who joined IAMSA in this venture...
Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 3): = Tough call ... Mexico has an excellent bus system and it would be a toss up for me on a night bus. However, I do see your point and remember ... IAMSA (Mexico's bus company) is the other big shareholder
Wow, finally I know someone who really enjoys the Mexican bus system. My mother lives in Puerto Vallarta and it only took her one bus trip between PVR and MEX to decide that she will never use it again. And after JR quit PVR, fares to MEX went up a lot. Now she is a ZE client and loves them thanks to the cheap fares and great service they offer. I really don't know what she is going to do if ZE goes bankrupt... maybe Viva could step in (just dreaming)
Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 5): = Dont get me wrong. I think Viva Aerobus has a very sustainable model. I am just here to make people aware of what they are getting into when they fly VIV.
I agree we you, I believe in Viva's model but it is not for everyone. When I lived in London I was a very FF of Ryanair, but only because I was a student, therefore I had flexibility and in case my flight got cancelled, I could go back home or stay one more day at my destination. Now that I fly a lot for business purposes, I need a reliable airline who will protect me in case there is a delay or cancelled flight...
Fly727 From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 1788 posts, RR: 23 Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 24005 times:
Awesome report!
Loved the detail and the rating method you have developed! Great job, hope to read more of yours!
I am actually writing my MTY-CUN experience right now and yours was definitely source of inspiration and... PICTURES! (I will be posting the respective copyrights in my report) and will pay you the rights of usage with chicken wings at Hooters next time we both coincide here in MTY.
RM
There are no stupid questions... just stupid people!
VivaAerobus Signs $37 Million OnPointSM Services Agreement with GE
...VivaAerobus, a newly launched low-cost carrier in Mexico, has signed a six-year, $37 million OnPointSM Solution service agreement for its CFM56-3B fleet. Under the agreement, GE will install the CFM56*-3 Advanced Upgrade package in the airline's 10 engines as well as handle overhaul and maintenance needs. ...
Abrelosojos From Venezuela, joined May 2005, 4919 posts, RR: 55 Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 23873 times:
Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 7): Nice report... was the plane in a good condition?
= No . It was rattling a little too much both during takeoff and landing. The last time I was on such a plane was on Adam Air in September 2006.
Quoting Rojo (Reply 8): Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 3):
= Tough call ... Mexico has an excellent bus system and it would be a toss up for me on a night bus. However, I do see your point and remember ... IAMSA (Mexico's bus company) is the other big shareholder
Wow, finally I know someone who really enjoys the Mexican bus system. My mother lives in Puerto Vallarta and it only took her one bus trip between PVR and MEX to decide that she will never use it again. And after JR quit PVR, fares to MEX went up a lot. Now she is a ZE client and loves them thanks to the cheap fares and great service they offer. I really don't know what she is going to do if ZE goes bankrupt... maybe Viva could step in (just dreaming)
= You are right ... and I will admit that I am not the benchmark on evaluating bus vs. plane. When I am on vacation, I prefer the buses to get a sense of local color and meeting people I would never have otherwise met.
Quoting Fly727 (Reply 9): Loved the detail and the rating method you have developed! Great job, hope to read more of yours!
= Thanks so much.
Quoting Fly727 (Reply 9): I am actually writing my MTY-CUN experience right now and yours was definitely source of inspiration and... PICTURES!
= Feel free to use. Looking forward to your report. It will be interesting given that would make it 3 quick VIV reports and bring perspective for our readers.
Quoting Fly727 (Reply 9): and will pay you the rights of usage with chicken wings at Hooters next time we both coincide here in MTY.
= Sounds like a deal. I am back in MTY soon enough ... just need to keep away from Palacio .
VivaAerobus Signs $37 Million OnPointSM Services Agreement with GE
...VivaAerobus, a newly launched low-cost carrier in Mexico, has signed a six-year, $37 million OnPointSM Solution service agreement for its CFM56-3B fleet. Under the agreement, GE will install the CFM56*-3 Advanced Upgrade package in the airline's 10 engines as well as handle overhaul and maintenance needs. ...
= Sorely needed! Its weird because VIVs plane contrast to the newish ones used by Interjet and Volaris.
Usair320 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 991 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 23495 times:
XA744 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 734 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (6 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 23387 times:
Alex, thanks for the very comprehensive and enlightening TR.
[quote=Rojo,reply=8]My mother lives in Puerto Vallarta and it only took her one bus trip between PVR and MEX to decide that she will never use it again.
Yes Sir, I also live in Vallarta and believe your Mom has a very good point here. Driving or travelling by bus to either GDL or MEX from PVR is something close to a nightmare.
To GDL I have the affordable and comfy CRJs from ALMA. To MEX now I have nothing...
... Wouldn´t mind having to inflate balloons at Viva for 90 minutes ! ....
Best regards
No matter how you fly...just never get your wings clipped !
Lovetojetblue From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 137 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 16610 times:
Great TR
just me or does the cabin of the 733 seem really wide at first glance?
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MilesDependent From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 839 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (4 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 16457 times:
Great report on an interesting airline and route. Mexico is not on my radar to visit again anytime soon, but if I do, I will keep WELL CLEAR of Viva Aerobus. A friend of mine went to Mexico to do some flying about 3 years ago and was appalled at the high cost of flights. Hopefully, Viva Aerobus has brought the cost down a bit.
That seat pitch looked horrific. Must be 28-29"...
Comparing to Adam Air... man, that a/c must have been rickety. The worst aircraft I have travelled on in recent times also belonged to Adam Air (B732 DPS-SIN). Thank God they're gone.