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SYD-LBA Via BNE, HKG And AMS In J And Y – QF Pt I  
User currently offlineCXtra From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 263 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8238 times:


Well, once again, here is one of those trip reports you would only find on a.net – that is, one where we take you to twice the number of airports we need and fly on such a mismatch of carriers that you can’t even check in to your destination at the origin. However, at least in my case, the rather circuitous routing belied significant savings and the potential use of valuable QF FF points (maybe Wink

Anyway, on to some of the details. CX had yet to release their Australia-Europe special J Class fares in January so I got fed up of waiting and decided to be a bit inventive. Having looked on the CX Hong Kong website, I discovered I could fly to Amsterdam (being the cheapest destination in Europe for some reason?) from HKG for some HK$27,000. For a CX fan, this was good enough so I went ahead and booked after securing a QF redemption booking from BNE and a BA redemption back to SYD. So, what to do now?

Well, there was obviously a hole in the trip for getting up to Brisbane and another one for getting out of Amsterdam. Regarding the first, I went ahead and secured a standard QF domestic flight for AU$199, which isn’t amazingly cheap, but it isn’t amazingly expensive either, and given that DJ couldn’t beat it by more than $20-30, I booked this too, knowing that my baggage would be safely interlined. Last challenge was to get to Leeds-Bradford, close to the place where my family were scheduled to get together. Jet2, a LCC based at LBA, were offering the sector for 60 euros, so I went ahead with that too.


I’ve done my best to include some pix, as I know a report without photos is rarely so good (unless you are a champion of travel journalism unlike me and like Mr Door5Right). Unfortunately, many of them are embarrassing and blurry but I include them still because hopefully they give you a feel for what I’m trying but failing to explain :O

The Trip

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Sydney skyline on the morning of departure

I booked a cab sometime in the week before the trip for 8am but unsurprisingly it didn’t turn up, to which they claimed it was booked for 9am. Anyway, after a call they sent the first available one, which arrived close enough to 8.30am. It turned out the cab driver was second-generation Lebanese with a degree in finance and a passion for politics :O He got us to Kingsford Smith in good time for a domestic sector, after I planned for delays. The line for domestic check-in was snaking and massive, but happily, QF has two separate counters for pax with international connections. The queue was of one person.

The lady on check in was friendly and seemed surprised that I was organised enough to have the itineraries for different sectors in one place and that I knew which airline we were flying on! Apparently a lot of people don’t. Anyway, she checked our bags to AMS and I was glad to walk straight past the fat queue and through an efficient security. Interestingly (or not) as we lined up for security, a fairly well-known (and large  Wink Australian politician, Amanda Vanstone, who’s known for her Immigration Department stuff-ups, was queuing immediately behind us with her extremely bored and grumpy looking public servant. Presumably they were on their way to the QF Club and then a flight home to Adelaide.

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Qantas Domestic Terminal, Departures
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Gate 6

Thanks to the cab, we didn’t have a great deal of time to waste in SYD though that wasn’t necessarily a good thing because for a domestic airport, there is an extremely good range of shops and cafes. To name a few – a Metropolitan Museum (NY) outlet (selling jewellery etc), a boutique called Comme Ci Comme Ca, and a stylish bookshop with moody lighting and a coffee bar at the back. Plus all the standard souvenir/newsagent places.

Although I have been to SYD T3 many times before, I was particularly impressed with the quality of the airport experience here. Meanwhile, QF 516 was preparing to board, with VH-OGN on stand. As you can see from the picture below the gate lounge is relatively full, certainly with a diverse range of people. Among those who stood out were an American band – ‘Fish.. something’ if I recall correctly and a guy standing in a kilt clutching an accordion. QF boarded the whole aircraft together and so I made my way to 41A, which offered a good view of numerous other QF domestic flights preparing for departure. Departure was from Gate 6, on the main concourse, not the satellite, and opposite QF maintenance hangers.

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View from my seat of neighbouring QF a/c

Flight Data

Airline: Qantas Airways Ltd (QF/QFA)
Date: Thursday 5th April 2007
Flight Number: QF 516
Route: Sydney Kingsford Smith (SYD/YSSY) – Brisbane Eagle Farm (BNE)
Aircraft: Boeing 767-300ER
Registration: VH-OGN
Scheduled Departure: 10.05
Actual departure: 10.18 (Gate 6)
Ticketed Cabin: Economy Class
Seat: 41A

Before pushback, the British-sounding Captain came over the PA to tell us we were delayed for a short while because the crew were being assembled from different places. He also said we would have some turbulence as we would be crossing several jet streams. At this point, a FA was giving the safety briefing to two unaccompanied minors in the row in front. She dropped a pillow on my mum, commenting “it would’ve been good if that was a bag of money.” Meanwhile, the American band had taken their seats in the row behind and must have been rather bemused that there was actually something called service on this flight. Having said that, he probably had other concerns, “Oh God, where did I put my guitar?” I know the feeling..

It looked like Y was pretty much full on today’s flight, mainly with interstate tourists going away for the Easter break, I think. Although we did push back at 10.18, I was getting worried about making the connection because we were awaiting clearance for a long time, or what seemed like it given the threshold of 16R is very close to the domestic terminal. Finally, after a CZ flight took off for CAN, we did too, at 10.38. Airshow told me we had 466 miles ahead of us.

For those interested, at the QF terminal were VH-VYA, TJG, EBV, TJX, OGI and OGJ. In other words, the usual collection of 738s and 763s plus the 743 off to PER. Noted here that I’d travelled on TJG from HBA to MEL a couple of years back. On the international scene, there were more QF birds plus the new JQ A330s. Also, an MU 343 was on stand, with a TG 744 and VS 346 on remote.

We climbed out of SYD eastwards over the ocean before banking left to hug the coast all the way up to BNE. Once we’d done this there were some great views of SYD terminals and the CBD skyline..

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I was getting hungry by now, and thankfully QF haven’t scrapped Domestic meal and snack service. First came the food cart which carried a bowl of apples and trays of Byron Bay cookies (premium brand, sold in Australian coffee shops). No prizes for guessing the popular choice – though some people had both, which the FAs were happy with).

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Byron Bay Cookie and coffee - snack on Q

Drinks were not far behind and I decided there would be nothing like a cup of coffee to perk me up and the good old H2O for some intense hydration. QF even have multi-coloured coffee cups which creates a splash of, well, colour in the cabin. Notice too they provide a tablemat which is a marketing device to make you feel special and labour-saving device to save the FA’s poor little hands  Wink. After the snack, I snapped the cabin..

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View from 41A of this B767-300 cabin

Mr Captain then announced our descent into Eagle Farm (I hadn’t been here before so had visions of birds) and told us, yes – you guessed it, we’d need to fasten our seatbelts. Anyway, I thought the descent was very interesting, as, it seemed, did the Korean girl on the aisle who was peering through my window. The Brisbane hinterland looked very green which surprised my little brain given that Queensland=Hot=Drought=Brown. Oh no. We banked left for finals and landed over what looked to me like mangrove swamps, it certainly seemed flat.

QF 516 touched down at 11.40, Airshow informing me now that we had, in fact, travelled 519 miles. My first impressions of BNE were that it was extremely spread out and that the domestic terminal had lots of gates, few of which were in use. We were on stand soon after and disembarked/deplaned as the Americans were considering their onwards travel to Whistler, Canada.

As some of you might know, BNE domestic and international are a mile or two apart which means you have to catch the Airtrain to transfer. This is actually the same service that runs into Brisbane city and then to the Gold Coast, which means the frequency is less than great. QF have a policy of giving you a complimentary transfer if you have a QF international boarding pass, otherwise you must pay. However, we managed to persuade the AirTrain agent that we didn’t really need to pay given that we were flying on CX and so he agreed.

We then headed across the passenger bridge over the car park and into the station. Luckily for us, the train came almost immediately, which was very fortunate. The picture below is a shot of the domestic terminal and footbridge from the Airtrain carriage, hence the reflections, sorry  Smile

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Domestic terminal at BNE and station footbridge
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QF and SQ a/c parked on remote stands near international terminal

And so that concludes Part I. Hopefully you have enjoyed.. please leave comments, compliments and criticisms  Smile Look out for the next leg of this trip coming soon, in Cathay Pacific Business Class

Cathay Pacific, Now you're really flying
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User currently offlinePhlstudent From United States of America, joined May 2006, 498 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8193 times:

Quoting CXtra (Thread starter):
I discovered I could fly to Amsterdam (being the cheapest destination in Europe for some reason?)

I was looking at flights to europe as well from the US and I was finding the same results. There is something special about Amsterdam I guess.

Great report as well, I look forward to part 2.

User currently offlineQantasairways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1280 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7982 times:

Thanks for the report and pics! I love flying domestically on QF's 763s.
Looking forward to part 2 on CX!

Spirit of Australia
User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8743 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7695 times:
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Nice report, thanks - look forward to the next installment.



User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7287 times:

Hi CXtra,

It was my pleasure to be the pilot flying for your flight to Brisbane. We had flown VH-OGN up from Melbourne and flew her back to Sydney after dropping you off.

A little bit of background information regarding the flight; we were sequenced to depart from Runway 25 however after pushback the runway direction at Sydney was changed to 16. Normally for Brisbane we would have the LONG taxi to 16L but a stroke of luck had us taxying the short distance to 16R Bravo 1 for a Sydney 1 departure. The long wait at the holding point was waiting for the last 34L arrivals. Then the first 16R departures including Air Canada C-FPCA and Qantas 43 VH-OGG.

After being turned north I climbed at high speed to offer the best possible views of Sydney from the left side of the aircraft.

On the way up to Brisbane we cruised at M0.82 to make up the time lost, and a high speed descent (340kts) and close in visual approach for Runway 19 cut a few more minutes off our flight time. We were the second last arrival on Runway 19 as we had a tailwind on final all the way down to 8 knots on the ground.

I hope you enjoyed the flight!

User currently offlineQantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1280 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7226 times:

Quoting AJ (Reply 4):
Hi CXtra,

It was my pleasure to be the pilot flying for your flight to Brisbane. We had flown VH-OGN up from Melbourne and flew her back to Sydney after dropping you off.

Wow! what are the chances of that?? Thanks for posting that for us to read

Spirit of Australia
User currently offlineGammagirl From Australia, joined May 2006, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6882 times:

Quoting AJ (Reply 4):
Hi CXtra,

It was my pleasure to be the pilot flying for your flight to Brisbane. We had flown VH-OGN up from Melbourne and flew her back to Sydney after dropping you off.

Excellent stuff!! A trip report from both sides of the flight deck door - has to be one of the best things I've seen on a.net! Thanks to both of you for posting !  bigthumbsup 

User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6200 times:

Quite a coincidence!

I've had a few a.netters on my flights now.

User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 8224 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6042 times:

Nice report! I read it with a lot of interest and I am looking forward to reading the next parts. I flew out of SYD to CBR with QF that same day, only in the afternoon. If I had chosen to fly early, we might have even bumped into each other!

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