N1786b From United States, joined Sep 2005, 421 posts, RR: 8 Posted (1 year 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 6713 times:
Just hit the wire:
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Airbus Market Share Slumped Last Year, FT Deutschland Reports
By Patrick Donahue
Jan. 14 (Bloomberg) -- Airbus SAS lost 5 percentage points of market share last year, to 40 percent, because of less demand for the A330/340 and production problems, Financial Times Deutschland reported, citing unidentified industry officials.
The net number of aircraft sold in 2006 dropped to 800 from 1,055 in 2005 as Airbus booked list-price orders worth $75.1 billion, the newspaper reported. Market share in terms of the number of units dropped last year to 43 percent from 52 percent, FTD reported. With 1,044 unit sales, U.S. rival Boeing Co. surpassed Airbus for the first time in five years, FTD said.
Toulouse, France-based Airbus will present the figures Jan. 16 in Paris, the newspaper said.
Rpaillard From , joined today!, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (1 year 9 months 15 hours ago) and read 6638 times:
Quoting N1786b (Thread starter): because of less demand for the A330/340 and production problems
Am I the only founding this statement misleading? The A340 had bad time against 777, but the A330 did pretty well. Production problem? For sure, but the biggest challenge for Airbus so far is not having a strong and consistent offer against the 787.
Rpaillard From , joined today!, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (1 year 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 6488 times:
Well, whatever the "Cheerleaders" like to point, I still think it's a mistake. Maybe the A340 is toasted now, but Airbus lacks a killer in the twin widebody family. The best way to address a concern is to face it. Including for Cheerleaders
EvilForce From , joined today!, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (1 year 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 6455 times:
Congratulations to Boeing for a great year. Airbus also had a very nice year for sales as well. Both added substantially to their backorder of aircraft which means more jobs, more stability, and more money to fund R&D for better products. Win / Win for everyone. I would imagine 2007 will have a much tighter race ending in a 50/50 now that it seems Airbus has their 350 program moving forward.
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 9660 posts, RR: 60 Reply 8, posted (1 year 9 months 14 hours ago) and read 6435 times:
Quoting Rpaillard (Reply 6): Well, whatever the "Cheerleaders" like to point, I still think it's a mistake. Maybe the A340 is toasted now, but Airbus lacks a killer in the twin widebody family. The best way to address a concern is to face it. Including for Cheerleaders
As fond as I am of Airbus, I try not to be a bimbo cheerleader. I can admit that the A340 is moribund and that the WhaleJet was a (very cool) mistake. In my opinion, Airbus need to certify new engines for the A330 -- without all the other development work they had proposed in order to improve its range. Don't go for range; go for low cost and early availability. That would tide things over until the A350 arrives.
What sort of engine re-work are you referring to? What sort of new engines could increase efficiency? Is this just A.netter's armchair discussion or is/has Airbus discussed a possible re-engined 330?
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 15): I was referring to sales since the A332 recorded it's first sale (02/1996).
Back in the old days of airplane ordering, I think 342 airframes sold would be a solid showing. In the new age of buying 50 planes at a time (and selling almost 500 planes of a yet-to-be-built model), I guess 342 is not so great.
Still, I've said it many time on this site, the 767 is hands down the most comfortable plane to fly. Not too big, not too cramped feeling. Its a shame the airplane is falling out of fashion. Still, everyone who has one seems to be using it as much as he/she/it can.
Stitch From United States, joined Jul 2005, 12410 posts, RR: 52 Reply 16, posted (1 year 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 5867 times:
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 17): What sort of engine re-work are you referring to? What sort of new engines could increase efficiency? Is this just A.netter's armchair discussion or is/has Airbus discussed a possible re-engined 330?
Both GE and RR were considering offering their 787 powerplants for the A330 family. GE, apparently, is still willing to do so. Not sure about RR.
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 17): Back in the old days of airplane ordering, I think 342 airframes sold would be a solid showing. In the new age of buying 50 planes at a time (and selling almost 500 planes of a yet-to-be-built model), I guess 342 is not so great.
It's not bad, but it is true that when you look at the 777 family, it has sold almost as many units (903) as the entire A330, A340 and A350 families combined (1095).
The A300 has been the most successful Airbus widebody to date, with 561 sales, but it has also been the model longest-offered for sale. And her sales, plus the A310s and the A332s combined (1165) are not too far ahead of the 767's total (975).
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 9660 posts, RR: 60 Reply 17, posted (1 year 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 5863 times:
Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 17): What sort of engine re-work are you referring to? What sort of new engines could increase efficiency? Is this just A.netter's armchair discussion or is/has Airbus discussed a possible re-engined 330?
Airbus proposed updating the A330 with the engines for the 787 plus other changes designed to increase range, in an effort to compete head-to-head with the 787-8/9. I'm proposing only certification of the new engines to go after the mid-range market.
Manni From Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4205 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (1 year 9 months 7 hours ago) and read 5710 times:
Quoting N1786b (Thread starter): Airbus SAS lost 5 percentage points of market share last year, to 40 percent, because of less demand for the A330/340
That's very misleading. Less demand as compared to when? Airbus booked significantly more A330/340 orders in 2006 as compared to 2005.
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 9): The A330 is getting by, not selling spectacularly, but it is selling, the only thing working well at Airbus is the A320, and it did not have a good year against the 737.
The A330 was the second best selling widebody aircraft last year. Behind the 787 and way ahead of the 777.
The 737 has likely sold more units in 2006 than the A320, but compared to the difference in units sold in 2005 between both models, it is rather small.
Quoting N1786b (Thread starter): The net number of aircraft sold in 2006 dropped to 800 from 1,055 in 2005 as Airbus booked list-price orders worth $75.1 billion, the newspaper reported. Market share in terms of the number of units dropped last year to 43 percent from 52 percent, FTD reported. With 1,044 unit sales, U.S. rival Boeing Co. surpassed Airbus for the first time in five years, FTD said.
The number of aircraft sold dropped 9% and market share (dollar value) dropped 5%. Looking forward to see the breakdown of these net 800 orders. Airbus had 611 net firm orders at the start of december. So about 189 orders have been added in december. At the start of december Airbus marketshare was estimated at 36% by Mr. Leahy. Despite strong widebody sales of Boeing in december (LH, KE, Jet), Airbus managed to increase their marketshare with more than 11% in december.
BoomBoom From , joined today!, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (1 year 9 months 7 hours ago) and read 5694 times:
Quoting Manni (Reply 20): That's very misleading. Less demand as compared to when? Airbus booked significantly more A330/340 orders in 2006 as compared to 2005.
Compared to your competition.
You don't determine market share by comparing Airbus 2005 to Airbus 2006. You compare it to Boeing.
Boeing sold 237 777s and 787s last year, therefore there's less demand for Airbus.
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