Lh600 From United States, joined Mar 2004, 129 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8182 times:
I found these pictures of Blue Sky Airlines...these 747-400 seem to be ex-United Airlines sold/leased to Iran Air and Mahan. Does anyone know anymore about this.
BA From United States, joined May 2000, 10118 posts, RR: 60 Reply 2, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8124 times:
Blue Sky Airlines is not an Iranian carrier. Their three ex-UA 747-400s were originally registered in the UK and then were recently re-registered in Armenia.
Foreign airlines wet-leasing their western aircraft to Iranian carriers is not an uncommon practice.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
Tozairport From United States, joined Oct 2005, 404 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7674 times:
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1): Those planes were lease returns during UA's Ch11 filing. What their owners decid to do have nothing to do with United.
Thank goodness, I was starting to have nightmares of a Tehran TDY base! Still, it's pretty amazing to see the same UA interior with genesis seats and all in an Iranian airliner. Ranks pretty high in the weird department. I guess they will have plenty of spare parts for those seats soon (new UA interiors, and all).
Shahram16216 From Iran, joined Feb 2005, 14 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7516 times:
Yes! Another EX-UA 744 with registration EK-74763 and cn: 24363/740 in Blue Sky c/s is used for spare parts at Mahan Air hanger ! I think for those 2 other 744's.I try to find shots from this one in this iranian website www.iraviation.com
Shahram16216 From Iran, joined Feb 2005, 14 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 7368 times:
This is EK-74763 with cn: 24363/740 that was be N172UA in United Airlines! now this aircraft is near Mahan hanger ( Fajr Ashian ) near Mehrabad Int'l airport in Tehran and using for spare parts.
you can click on the registration number and see more photos of it.and if the page can not be displayed or has another problem,refresh the page.It's working I tried
FlyTUITravel From United Kingdom (England), joined May 2007, 635 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7088 times:
Quoting LH600 (Reply 8): so did they lease these planes to them of did IR and Mahan purchase them???
Shahram16216 From Iran, joined Feb 2005, 14 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6584 times:
yes.Mahan bought them via Blue Sky.all 3 B744 are for Mahan now.
They can't fly to europe.Mahan uses them only for some domestic and Asian destinations like Bangkok.and you know one of them is operated by Iran Air for hadj flights.
the main reason that they bought these 3 B744 was planing flights to USA and Canada because almost 1 year ago Iranian government talked about 2 new and strange destinations: Vancover and LA !
Quoting Shahram16216 (Reply 11): The main reason that they bought these 3 B744 was planing flights to USA and Canada because almost 1 year ago Iranian government talked about 2 new and strange destinations: Vancover and LA !
I heard when IR even tryed to start flying to Montreal a while ago, the US govenment put pressure on the Canadians not to allow it.
Zvocio79 From United States, joined Nov 2006, 162 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3604 times:
Quoting Curious (Reply 10): UA of course would never lease or sell palnes to Iranian airlines. I have heard that Mahan owns them through a front company Blue Sky.
why not????? if you gotta sell you sell, its all good business, is not like they would be selling military aircraft or anything like it......would they rather park it somewhere?
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7029 posts, RR: 39 Reply 14, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3521 times:
Quoting LH600 (Reply 12): Why cant they fly to Europe?
Mahan have been banned from UK airspace on safety grounds. Hopefully they'll return soon as their A310 services to Birmingham and Manchester were always full.
Quoting LH600 (Reply 12): I heard when IR even tryed to start flying to Montreal a while ago, the US govenment put pressure on the Canadians not to allow it.
Shameful. How can we ever reconcile our differences if we're not allowed to meet face to face?
Yes! Senator Obama. We are ready to believe again.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 6763 posts, RR: 53 Reply 15, posted (10 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3478 times:
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Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 15): Mahan have been banned from UK airspace on safety grounds. Hopefully they'll return soon as their A310 services to Birmingham and Manchester were always full.
If a little low at times
It's quite ironic with this debate about ex UA 747s going to Iran through a lease agreement; just over 30 years ago it was the other way around when Iran Air actually sold Pan Am a couple of 742s! How times change...
Nosedive From United States, joined May 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 21 Reply 17, posted (10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3102 times:
Quoting Zvocio79 (Reply 14):
why not????? if you gotta sell you sell, its all good business, is not like they would be selling military aircraft or anything like it......would they rather park it somewhere?
Quote: The ITR prohibit the exportation, reexportation, sale or supply, directly or indirectly,
from the United States or by a U.S. person, wherever located, of any goods, technology
or services to Iran or the Government of Iran. This prohibition also applies to the
exportation, reexportation, sale or supply of goods to a person in a third country
undertaken with knowledge or reason to know that the goods are intended specifically for
supply, transshipment or reexportation, directly or indirectly, to Iran or the Government
of Iran. ITR, § 560.204. The ITR also prohibit the reexportation by a non-U.S. person
from a third country, directly or indirectly, to Iran or the Government of Iran of any
goods that have been exported from the United States, if the exportation of such goods
from the United States to Iran was subject to export license application requirements
under any United States regulations in effect on May 6, 1995, or thereafter was made
subject to such requirements imposed independently of the ITR. ITR, § 560.205.
The above is from one of the PDFs - Exports/Aircraft Safety (Iran)- on the website above. While the PDF is not official document wording, it does give you explanations and the proper legal source.
Long story short: You cannot sell goods to Iran, and you cannot sell to people who you know who will sell your goods to Iran. Now, there are some exceptions, but if you think such exceptions are commonplace, I have an ocean an Kansas to sell you.
You know, Sweden had some jerks, but they were OUR jerks.
Viscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 5514 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2986 times:
Quoting Nosedive (Reply 20): Long story short: You cannot sell goods to Iran, and you cannot sell to people who you know who will sell your goods to Iran. Now, there are some exceptions, but if you think such exceptions are commonplace, I have an ocean an Kansas to sell you.
GE was granted an exception a year or so (on safety grounds) to supply CF6 engine parts to IR to comply with an airworthiness directive.
OA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 8920 posts, RR: 18 Reply 21, posted (10 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2652 times:
Quoting Rdwelch (Reply 19): Hey, I know it was in jest, but Tehran is a wonderful city...
Gus.
Exactly, I was really impressed by Tehran and the hospitality. Some of the best food you will ever have and some of the nicest people.
Hopefully IR will be allowed to renew their fleet. I would like to see them get A330's . The 747's would look nicer in IR blue seats rather than the UA ones. Hopefully they will ripp them out .
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