Juventus From United States, joined Dec 2004, 2471 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5473 times:
This is great news for Delta and AF. Not so much for AA, BA, VS, and UA, I don't think they'll be too happy with the news. All we need now is for Delta to launch a couple more long-haul routes out of LAX (SYD/HKG please) and Skyteam will be more competitive again in Los Angeles. Easier said than done....
ERJ170 From United States, joined Apr 2004, 5463 posts, RR: 13 Reply 2, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5465 times:
Well, it's a great way for DL to offer the service without having to get new aircraft just yet.. plus with AF already receiving new aircraft.. it's a great way for them to fill them up..
But me thinks LHR is about to be overrun with aircraft.. every airline and their mother are starting service there..
oh well, here's hoping for DL to offer RDU-CDG/FRA on AF or KLM metal and (at least I can hope)
Notdownnlocked From United States, joined Sep 2000, 870 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5361 times:
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2): But me thinks LHR is about to be overrun with aircraft.. every airline and their mother are starting service there..
NOOOOOOOOO, every airline and their mother have already been flying into LHR, it's just the new 5 or 6 airlines from the US that are now able to fly there make it sem like that to some. Once the runways are open to all then you may feel free to proclaim everyone and their mother are at LHR. So once these 5-6 new airlines are at LHR how many will that be numerically or on a fractional basis? So the US will have 8 or 9 carriers out of 100-120 airlines there.
Bobnwa From United States, joined Dec 2000, 4110 posts, RR: 6 Reply 5, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5317 times:
Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 4): NOOOOOOOOO, every airline and their mother have already been flying into LHR, it's just the new 5 or 6 airlines from the US that are now able to fly there make it sem like that to some. Once the runways are open to all then you may feel free to proclaim everyone and their mother are at LHR. So once these 5-6 new airlines are at LHR how many will that be numerically or on a fractional basis? So the US will have 8 or 9 carriers out of 100-120 airlines there.
Four new US carriers will be going to Heathrow, NW,DL,CO,US. Not such a large increase.
SKAirbus From Denmark, joined Oct 2007, 483 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5256 times:
Will Air France base an aircraft at LHR or will it be flown CDG-LHR-LAX??
Seriously i doubt that this route will be successful. At least Delta isn't operating its own aircraft on this route... Delta's service compared to that of BA and VS is pretty substandard...
Next flight: CPH-LHR-CPH (BA), CPH-TRD-CPH (WF), CPH-ARN-CPH (SK), CPH-SVO-CPH (SK)
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States, joined Sep 2007, 1216 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5216 times:
Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 5): Four new US carriers will be going to Heathrow, NW,DL,CO,US. Not such a large increase.
Considering that all airlines will be flying their heaviest metal there daily, and i'm not at all an expert on the dubject but will some try to go 2x daily? Anyway, take the Delta for example. Lets say they fly 2x daily, thats a total of 536 extra seats going in and out. And that's just Delta. Maybe my logic is off. Can somone better explain what i'm trying to say.
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UAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 2249 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5192 times:
Quoting Avek00 (Reply 7): LAX-LHR has MASSIVE O&D, and Delta is progressively building a hub presence in LAX.
I give it a year and AF will consider pulling the plug on the route. There might be a bit more success if it was on DL metyal but even then they might struggle, but your right they are building up LAX, albeit its just about all regionals, no minaline as such and indeed, flight are being dropped, so they are in for a fight. Good Luck
DAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5434 posts, RR: 48 Reply 11, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5139 times:
Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 6): Will Air France base an aircraft at LHR or will it be flown CDG-LHR-LAX??
The plane will fly CDG-LAX-LHR. Otherwise the turn time of 10 minutes at LAX would prove to be a problem .
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 8): Considering that all airlines will be flying their heaviest metal there daily
Not necessarily. DL will be using "only" 763s instead of 777s, NW using A330s instead of 744s, and CO with a mix of 762s and 777s. Only US will use their largest equipment with their A333s for their single daily PHL flight.
DeltaDAWG From United States, joined May 2006, 588 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5104 times:
This has to be a win-win situation for DL. Not using their own metal on a route such as this gives them the opportunity to build some following on the route as well as gives them the time to get find the out whose flying on the route. If it works out the second r/t would be on DL metal with both DL & AF winning with each having one flight per day - that is if they keep open skies around for LHR?
Bobnwa From United States, joined Dec 2000, 4110 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5041 times:
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 8): Considering that all airlines will be flying their heaviest metal there daily, and i'm not at all an expert on the dubject but will some try to go 2x daily? Anyway, take the Delta for example. Lets say they fly 2x daily, thats a total of 536 extra seats going in and out. And that's just Delta. Maybe my logic is off. Can somone better explain what i'm trying to say.
All four carriers are already going to LGW. They are just switching the flights to LHR. Same city-London. The gain in passengers will not be that high. All four carriers will bring their LGW passengers over with them. There will be some increase in passengers to London. The yield will increase because LHR gets a premium.
Cornish From United Kingdom (England), joined Feb 2005, 7934 posts, RR: 52 Reply 14, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5036 times:
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 2): But me thinks LHR is about to be overrun with aircraft.. every airline and their mother are starting service there..
Rephrase that - every long haul airline with big wide bodied aircraft.... At the same time smaller European niche carriers are dropping out of Heathrow - Malev, Adria, Luxair.......
To be expected of course with the limited supply of the most in demand slots in the world. The large airlines can afford to pay for the slots from smaller sellers and BAA are happier that their slots see larger aircraft used.
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Flavio340 From United States, joined Oct 2005, 106 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4958 times:
I am a little confused on how this works, if I am a passenger and I want to to go LAX-LHR I go to Delta's web site punch in LAX and LHR and this flight pops up how will it look? Will it have a Delta flight number like 182 or will it have a code shared number like 5182? Will it say operated by Air France or will I not know until I show up and there is an Air France 777? Maybe the two airlines should get a half and half paint job like NW/KLM did on the DC-10.
Side note: I tried to post a picture of the DC-10 but am not savvy enough to figure it out maybe someone else could post the picture.
DLPMMM From United States, joined Apr 2005, 2311 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4847 times:
Quoting Flavio340 (Reply 15): I am a little confused on how this works, if I am a passenger and I want to to go LAX-LHR I go to Delta's web site punch in LAX and LHR and this flight pops up how will it look? Will it have a Delta flight number like 182 or will it have a code shared number like 5182? Will it say operated by Air France or will I not know until I show up and there is an Air France 777? Maybe the two airlines should get a half and half paint job like NW/KLM did on the DC-10.
It will be an AF flight with a DL codeshare number. On the DL website it will say "Operated by AF".
DL and AF have applied for JV status like the situation utilized by NW/KL where the profits and expenses of all TATL flights (eventually) will be pooled and the profits split between the companies. The first stage of the new JV will include the all of the combined TATL LHR and CDG flights as well as other flights. Eventually they will include all TATL flights by both carriers.
Belizexp From Belize, joined Dec 2005, 310 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4774 times:
Quoting Flavio340 (Reply 15): Side note: I tried to post a picture of the DC-10 but am not savvy enough to figure it out maybe someone else could post the picture.
Avek00 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 2854 posts, RR: 14 Reply 18, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4659 times:
Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 9): I give it a year and AF will consider pulling the plug on the route.
Doubtful, IMHO. For starters, AF will be offering an F cabin, and F demand is extremely heavy on Europe routes ex-LAX. Second, the LAX-LON market is bustling, and unlike the East coast markets, not subject to significant incursion by non-legacy new entrants due to the resource allocations involved. Third, the flight will benefit from the strong sales presence of both AF and DL (and later, NW and KLM), both of whom are formidable in LA and in the UK.
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AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4534 times:
I'm sure that Air France will be successful on this route, although primary an O&D route, it does arrive in time to make connections to major cities in California, Central America, and the South Pacific. Besides selling some tickets what other responsibilities will Delta have regarding this flight? Should be interesting to compare the prices on each web site.
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