Re: What is the longest Air France A318 route?

Air France flies its A318 on all its European/Domestic network (some of them are bases art ORY). They don’t have dédicated destinations though they are mostly used on short european routes to Italy, Germany, UK... However, it is not rare to see them on longer flights such as CDG-ATH, CDG-LED or CDG-...

Paris Orly Airport / ORY to close starting March 28th

All flights to and from Paris Orly / ORY airport will stop starting March 28th 00:00 LT. and unil further notice. All flights will be moved to/from Paris CDG Airport. ORY will remain open For Government, sanitary flights and diversions. Parking stands and taxiways will be used to Park aircraft tempo...

Re: Why no AF A380 at YUL / AF upgauge to YVR?

With Air France already retiring its first A380 can someone remind me why was the A380 not successful on CDG-YUL? Because the market is better catered with twice daily 777? IAD seems slightly surprising as an A380 destination for AF I must admit. AF will operate 4 X Daily on CDG-YUL this summer 2 x...

Re: Honolulu to Europe nonstop, PPT-CDG nonstop

Paris/CDG - Pape’ete, via Vancouver, is the latest rumor floating around at Air France. Air France requested (and was granted) trafic rights between YVR and PPT just a few weeks/months ago. This routing CDG-YVR-PPT would avoid the stupid and painful immigration and customs checks at LAX for the pas...

Re: AirFrance JNB-CDG goes daytime from march 30th

Williamsb747 wrote:

It’s a bit sad to see CDG-JNB go from 14 weekly flights (1*a380,1*b777) parking for nearly ten hours at JNB to the only European flight to leave JNB in the morning with a single daily flight.

Re: Air France Cabin Refresh Update

Thanks for your great input. Would the ex-COI a/c with the old interiors ever appear in PVG or PEK? Looking at flying there in September. Im assuming with these being quite premium markets, that a/c with the BEST interiors would be flown there? Would love to see this thread updated with a/c modific...

Re: Air France Cabin Refresh Update

S and M class doesn’t exist anymore even on flights to PTP CAY FDF RUN etc... And yes, those planes fly to other destinations than the Caribbean and Indian Ocean such as YUL. While the S class (Alizé) dsnt formally exist anymore, Air France's premium eco product to CAY, PTP, FDF and RUN still defer...

Re: Air France Cabin Refresh Update

There are 12 COI 77W and they are getting retrofitted starting this year, I read somewhere that RUN would be the first destination to get them but I can't seem to find a link anymore. They are flown to PTP, FDF and RUN from ORY (CAY gets a 772). From CDG they are used on YUL, BKK, MRU and TNR. They...

Re: Air France Cabin Refresh Update

LY777 wrote:

FlySSC, do flights to YUL operated by the ex-COI planes still have an inferior service?

Re: Air France Cabin Refresh Update

I believe all the A330s are done with cabin refresh. Not sure how far along are the 777 fleet refresh. I think some of them are actually set not to be updated, instead retired. Not really ... A330 : fleet of 15 aircraft - 11 aircraft have the new interior. The 4 remaining will be retrofitted by Mar...

Re: Air France orders additional A350s

JerseyFlyer wrote:

This makes more likely a transfer of theIr small 787 fleet to KLM

Re: Status of AF 77W Interiors

And for your information, the first 77W 14J version retrofited with the new interior is F-GSQT and will be released in a few days. The new cabin configuration is 14J / 28W / 430Y, instead of 14J / 32W / 422 Y. The seats in J a the same than in the brand new A350, the Zodiac OPTIMA, with a 1 x 2 x 1 ...

Re: Status of AF 77W Interiors

LY777 wrote:

FlySSC, does GSQD have still the old Y seats with tiny PTVs?

Re: Status of AF 77W Interiors

I believe the four class birds have been refurbished. Those are the F-GSQ* birds with first class. Not sure about any three class birds yet. -Rowen It doesn’t have anything do with the registration.... AF operates today a large fleet of 68 B777 : 25 B772ER + 43 B77W All the B772ER have the new inte...

Re: Bad Night at JFK

I was at JFK yesturdau evening Oct.17th... on board AF A380 operating AF007 to CDG.
We left gate 5 at 7:10 Pm (iso the schedule 7:00 Pm which is not too bad...).

We took off at 9:25 Pm...

In 32 years, I´ve never seen such a mess at JFK

Re: CDG busier than LHR in Sep.19, first time ever?

Actually, most of people complaining about CDG have never been there or just one time in their life 25 years ago.... and they just keep on repeating what they heard or read here and there.... CDG may be not the best Hub in the world but it is also very far from being the worst ... Connecting at CDG2...

Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Add IAD And ABJ I read ABJ = Abidjan, Ivory coast had two million passengers in 2017. How can they have an A380 ervice? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A9lix-Houphou%C3%ABt-Boigny_International_Airport#Statistics Oil and large historical ties. One of the fastest growing and largest populations a...

Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

UAUA wrote:

When will they be phased out? 2022?

Still some time to go

Re: Where does AF fly its A380s?

Summer schedule 2019 (until Oct. 26th ) : LAX, MEX, PVG, ATL, IAD, JFK x 2 daly, SFO (until Sept. 8th).

Winter schedule 2019 (starting Oct 27th) : LAX, JFK, MIA, JNB, PVG, MEX

Re: French routes news thread

I was surprised to see that AF is now down to once daily CDG-TLN vs the 2 daily since inauguration. I have flown the route many times and the flights were packed and often more expensive than the ORY alternative. CDG-TLN-CDG will be axed starting the winter schedule. AF has just announced ORY-GVA f...

Re: Top 10 biggest failures in commercial aviation?

The A380 is indeed a failure but certainly not THE biggest failure in the commercial Aviation. 300 airplanes or so were ordered and operated by 14 airlines... far from what Airbus expected, Ok, but much more than some other aircraft types. The Dassault Mercure for me is the number 1. Only 1 airline ...

Re: Airline types developed specifically for one carrier

Riorei wrote:

The Dassault Mercure for Air Inter

Re: Airline types developed specifically for one carrier

Caravelle 12 was developed for Sterling Airways, which was a big Caravelle 10B operator and wanted more seating capacity. Sterling ordered 12 but took only 7, the other five went to Air Inter. Sterling flew them 12 years and then they went to Air Inter and/or Air Mediterranee. Actually, Air Inter t...

Re: AF schedules 77W for CDG-MSP

The B77W is scheduled to operate AF684/AF673 CDG-MSP-CDG on July 2nd, 6th, 7th, 13th and Aug.24th

Re: Your first flight on jet airliners

First flight ever : Vickers Viscount 724 Air Inter - MRS-BIA (1971) B707 : M.E.A ORY-BEY (1991) B727 : Air France MRS-BIA (1974) B737 : Air France CDG-LYS B747 : British Airways LHR-IAD (1981) B757 : Iberia MAD-LPA (1993) B767 : American Airlines ORY-JFK B777 : Air France CDG-GRU (1998) B787 : Air ...

Re: Could a 3-4-3 77W replace 744 seat for seat? What about the 779?

The last configuration of Air France B744 was 36J / 396 Y = 432 seats

The closest B773ER configuration in the AF fleet today is 42J / 24W / 315Y = 381 seats. So the answer is : YES. With 6J less and no W class, they could have more or less the same configuration than the good old B744

Re: Your first flight on jet airliners

First flight ever : Vickers Viscount 724 Air Inter - MRS-BIA (1971) B707 : M.E.A ORY-BEY (1991) B727 : Air France MRS-BIA (1974) B737 : Air France CDG-LYS B747 : British Airways LHR-IAD (1981) B757 : Iberia MAD-LPA (1993) B767 : American Airlines ORY-JFK B777 : Air France CDG-GRU (1998) B787 : Air F...

Re: Shortest life of passenger airplane

Concorde, A318, Mercure ... :banghead: People , do you READ topics before posting ? The DC7C « Seven seas », the last variant of the DC6 & DC7 had a short life, barely 5 years, between 1953 & 1958. It was a very efficient and luxurious airplane but sales were cut short by the arrival of Boei...

Re: Shortest life of passenger airplane

A318 and Dassault Mercure come to mind. Mercure even sank Dassault’s civilian division IIRC. The Dassault Mercure didn’t have a « short life ». It was a commercial failure as only 10 aircraft were built but they were all delivered to their single operator, the French domestic airline Air Inter who ...

Re: Shortest life of passenger airplane

A318 and Dassault Mercure come to mind. Mercure even sank Dassault’s civilian division IIRC. The Dassault Mercure didn’t have a « short life ». It was a commercial failure as only 10 aircraft were built but they were all delivered to their single operator, the French domestic airline Air Inter who ...

Re: KLM, Lufthansa & Finnair using North Korean airspace!?

The Netherlands have a diplomatic relation with North Korea. NK is not that stupid to shoot down a passenger aircraft of which country has the diplomatic relation. The European Union has diplomatic relations with NK since 2001. Each member of the EU also has on its side diplomatic relation with NK ...

Re: Is This Aircraft Taking Off or Landing?

Landing. Definately.
If it was on take off, the angle would be much higher

Re: Insults between controller and pilot after near miss

The language is not the problem. The ATC staff in Buenos Aires is : poorly trained and noticeably incompetent and unreliable. Most pilots of internaional airlines serving EZE know it and are usually much more careful than anywhere else when they approach EZE.

Re: Unusual incidents in commercial aviation

On July 06th 2005, an Air France Airbus A330 collided with cows on landing at Port Harcourt (PHC - Nigeria). An Air France Airbus A330 (F-GZCF) carrying 196 passengers collided with six cows on landing at Port Harcourt, Nigeria. Flight AF875 landed at 04:30 on a flight from Paris when a herd of catt...

Re: How many US states have you visited?

California
Nevada
Washington
Arizona
Florida
Texas
Louisiana
Georgia
Mississipi
Illinois
Michigan
Minnesota
Ohio
D.C
Virginia
Delaware
Pennsylvania
New york
Massachussets
Connecticut
New Jersey
Vermont
New Hampshire
Hawaii
Alaska

Re: Air France and Pakistan.

AF stopped flying to KHI in 1994 (PAX services) so 25 years ago and not 11 years as mentionned in the article...

Re: What are the routes currently flown with Airbus 340 ?

Air France :

A340-313X

CDG-CAI
CDG-FOR
CDG-SEZ (
CDG-BOM
CDG-NKC-CKY
CDG-FNA-CKY
CDG-LOS ( mix with A332)
CDG-CPT
CDG-SXM ( mix with A332)

Aicraft still in Service :

F-GLZJ
F-GLZU (to be retired from service 03/2019)
F-GLZK
F-GLZN
F-GLZO
F-GLZP

Config : 30J / 21W / 224Y

Re: Who will be the next European airline bankruptcy?

Norwegian ?

Re: Malaysia Airlines A380s - Is it the end?

AF have had a few internal problems like strikes and such. This is why they can't fill their big aircraft now. Air France has proven before that they can fill big airplanes and they operated huge fleets of 747, 777 and A380s. Bring back AF to normal and their fleet can be filled again including the...

Re: Longest & shortest routes in airline networks

AF :

Shortest = MRS - LYS 255 km / 138 nm
Longest (non stop) = CDG - SCL 11652 km / 6292 nm

Re: Airports known by code vs by name

Paris - CDG : the french people refer to it as « Roissy » (vs « Orly »). Except for people working in aviation or aviation enthousiasts, nobody says « Charles de Gaulle »

JFK : 99% refer to it as J-F-K

Re: Terminated AF destinations

LH658 wrote:

Karachi and New Orleans.

Re: Airlines that have retired the 747

SN (Sabena) 2000
SR (Swissair) 2000
ME (Middle East Airline) 1998
MD (Air Madagascar) 2003
GN (Air Gabon) 1992
UY (Cameroun Airlines) 2004
RJ (Royal Jordanian) 1989
RB (Syrianair) 2007
UL (Air Lanka) 1987