I’m still just surprised that what initially seems to be a “simple” rwy/taxiway departure resulted in a main landing gear collapse, especially at the end of the runway where you’d think they would have been going pretty slow. We’ve seen planes well off runways and plow through lighting structures wi...
Jump to postWith all due respect as always, I don’t think ZDC and ZJX can be compared at all. The big issue effecting ZJX besides the volume, is its inherently poorly designed airspace and funnel effect where the entire countries flights funnel into a smaller localized area. Add in airspace riddled with daily ...
Jump to postLovely, the Florida enroute ATC facilities are literally beyond capacity. How it’s even allowed that airlines can add anymore flights is mind boggling me. ZJX and ZMA are not designed to handle 8500/9000/10000 ops a day that they are regularly doing. There’s my rant, carry on. Keep in mind that 850...
Jump to postWow, that’s actually pretty significant damage. Just based on the few pics I see flap damage, obviously landing gear collapsed into bottom of the wing, wingtip damage, it appears the entire engine is bent up to. Ouch.
Jump to postLovely, the Florida enroute ATC facilities are literally beyond capacity. How it’s even allowed that airlines can add anymore flights is mind boggling me. ZJX and ZMA are not designed to handle 8500/9000/10000 ops a day that they are regularly doing. There’s my rant, carry on.
Jump to postBased on pics it’s hard to tell, but I see the nose wheel way up off the ground and the drivers side engine and wing on the ground. I assume the main gear wouldn’t collapse in this situation, so is that main gear just buried way deep?
Jump to postMultiple guys above said no flaps and no control inputs. Not sure how you can tell from a grainy dash cam video, but photos of the aircraft on the ground prior to wings burning shows what appear to be flaps fully extended, or to whatever setting necessary for landing. This site is the worst for figu...
Jump to postWow that video is crazy. Man, he was so close to being lined up with the highway, but that slight angle to the right and wing into the wall is obviously what caused the fire. In one video that’s already been shown, it looks like the front of the plane is pretty mangled from an impact, possibly from ...
Jump to postAfter seeing a few more videos on YouTube and how the pilots put that airplane down on the side of the road jammed up against the barrier wall….regardless of what caused both engines to fail, those pilots did an incredible job of saving their passengers and not killing anyone on the ground. In that ...
Jump to postHas it been confirmed that literally nobody on the ground died? If that’s the case that’s pretty incredible considering that’s likely a pretty packed highway and a fairly heavy jet coming down pretty fast. I assume it was the two pilots that passed away. So sad. Like others mentioned that pilot rema...
Jump to postThat guy was so set on the tail section, but never got into discussing why the wings appear to be nothing like the Electra. If the wings became detached or damaged in the ditching, the chances of them remaining attached then angled back the same angle together at the bottom of the ocean seems really...
Jump to postI’m actually not all that surprised, I’ve seen so many videos were the A350 seems to come in or depart at such a crazy angle of attack. Sort of reminds me of Concorde or L1011 on landings.
Jump to postUnited found loose bolts in 5 of their 737 MAX 9 So how am I as a passenger supposed to feel at all confident in the 737-MAX? I mean, this is BAD. At the very least, I want the ETOPS certification pulled on all 737-MAX. Frankly, at this point, I want the type grounded permanently. But I know that's...
Jump to postWhat does "loose bolts" even mean? Like, about to fall off? Or just not at the factory torque setting? Loose enough to cause an issue or simply not what's expected yet of no safety concern? Well look at the picture above. IF those pictures above are legit untampered with or previously rem...
Jump to postWell that pic of loose bolts is a little alarming. I really want to believe that Boeing built these planes well, but the only thing I can say is the marks on the edges of those bolts appears to show that a socket type tool was used on them. All I know is that in the automotive industry, if you see m...
Jump to postSomeday, somehow, ZMA and ZJX will see level 12. Probably happen the day after I retire. What’s the difference (advantage?) particularly for controller if a facility is Level 12 vs Level 11? Yeah it comes down to pay. Level 12 is the highest for FAA facilities. When two of these facilities have bee...
Jump to postIt is a great miracle that this only resulted in 5 people dying, unfortunate still as 1 is too much but outcome would have been worse. As for these sorts of incidents, runway incursions are becoming more common in the US in recent years. I am just thinking of the incident of the Air Canada at SFO y...
Jump to postIs there an easy way or a link to match codes to centres for us not in the know? I don’t have a list, but I can say most of those are self explanatory (assuming you’re in the states), if not then I’d probably just say Google. As for those in the U.S., the not so obvious ones would be ZAU which is C...
Jump to postI’ll try this again. Mods please delete first post which didn’t have the photo. Here’s the 2023 U.S. enroute center traffic numbers for anyone interested. No surprise the top 3 are in the southeast, two of which are level 11 facilities. https://i.postimg.cc/qBmj51SY/IMG-8436.jpg
Jump to postAll I can think of is that Aeroflot regional jet that just absolutely erupted in flames and was literally consumed in seconds. That regional jet was much smaller, and the force of its impact collapsed the gear causing the fuel tanks to burst. Meaning, it was a completely different scenario. I’m awa...
Jump to postTo go along with my earlier comment on being thankful it was a smaller aircraft the A350 hit so that everyone on the 350 had a chance to get off, but I’m also thankful that big Airbus remained intact to continue straight down the runway. All I can think of is that Aeroflot regional jet that just abs...
Jump to postGreat job to the Japan airlines crew for getting all off safely. Looks like that was textbook. Also thankfully it was a relatively small aircraft it collided with allowing for everyone to survive on the commercial airliner. It will be interesting to see who screwed up here.
Jump to postI work at a major FL ATC facility and we were beyond saturated today and will be for the foreseeable future. This airspace is not designed to handle this amount of volume!! I’m a little jealous of some of those level 12 guys and their 4,000 ops a day hehe
Jump to postSpeaking of wing ice and inspecting wings, the “racing stripes” on TWA aircraft wings I believe were for ice inspecting. Interesting no other airline did that so I always thought it was unusual to see those big stripes on TWA wings.
Jump to postAs people in the U.S. know a cold front zipped through the country recently and the low temps spread as far south as TPA and MCO. I saw a post about de-icing in JAX. First off I had no clue they even had de-icing equipment in JAX even though I know it’s capable of getting chilly there, but my questi...
Jump to postWellp, looks like that P8 is done. Glad everyone is ok.
Jump to postI really thought it was the L1011 that was considered the Rolls Royce of the skies. Never really heard of the DC10 being called that, but then again I was never really around the 10 much.
Jump to postHow’s everyone already assuming the one aircraft took off without clearance? Just based on the LiveATC recordings? Half the time it’s hard to even tell what’s going on in those recordings especially if there’s multiple freqs or positions being run on the same freq.
Jump to postdopplerd wrote:Do you come to a complete stop when driving and the cross traffic has a stop sign and you do not?
So what could have been happening where both the bus driver AND the pilots failed to give way?! I mean shit it’s not rocket science to miss something the size of a bus or airplane. Yes I know the aircraft always get right of way, but since we know the bus driver was in lala land, I’m sorta surprised...
Jump to postThankfully this didn't end in the deaths of anyone, just some inconvenience at CHA until the preliminary investigation and removal of the aircraft has been completed and a likely write off of the aircraft. As the AvHerald posting on this incident notes, this plane had several issues and serious que...
Jump to postThis is something I’ve always been curious about and maybe someone here can answer my question. Why does the P8 Poseidon sound very different than its civilian 737-800 version? I live in the Jacksonville FL area so there are military aircraft flying over very frequently including the P8 and that thi...
Jump to postI’ve often thought about this as well. They for sure chose the 767 for its size. It’s crazy to see the impact span almost the entire length of the face of the building. With that said, as we all know, there are aircraft even much larger than the 767 and I wonder what would have happened say if it wa...
Jump to postYeah I agree it definitely smacked the runway, but didn’t seem like anything too out of the ordinary I guess. Crazy. That phone alarm going off the entire time was annoying and the guy that sounded like he’s never flown before lol. The undercarriage coming out through the top of the wing isn't anyt...
Jump to postYeah I agree it definitely smacked the runway, but didn’t seem like anything too out of the ordinary I guess. Crazy. That phone alarm going off the entire time was annoying and the guy that sounded like he’s never flown before lol.
Jump to postOne of the runways is back open so the ground stop has been lifted.
Jump to postGeez, what is it with the 767 and rough landings? I don’t know why but it just seems like maybe a handful to grease that thing. You’ll see A330 and 777 landings and they are just incredibly smooth, then comes a 767 and just pounds that thing into the ground haha. Maybe it’s just my imagination, but...
Jump to postGeez, what is it with the 767 and rough landings? I don’t know why but it just seems like maybe a handful to grease that thing. You’ll see A330 and 777 landings and they are just incredibly smooth, then comes a 767 and just pounds that thing into the ground haha. Maybe it’s just my imagination, but ...
Jump to postZJX issues are not staffing. Are you 100% sure about that? Might want to ask all the controllers there right now working their 6th day in a row with significant weather every single day. That facility has plenty of issues, but IMO the first and main issue IS staffing. Get these people the time off ...
Jump to postSheeesh, that plane would have landed better if the pilot just let go of the controls.
Jump to postGreeaattt, as if the southeast air traffic system isn’t already being worked to its limits. The amount of volume constantly being added to FL is crazy. Jax and Miami centers are at their limits. Until some major restructuring can happen. All I can say is arrive in FL early otherwise expect significa...
Jump to postPersonally not a fan of the whole RV thing. Just ugly when you take an airplane, remove pretty much all of its main parts and put truck wheels on it. Barf. My opinion doesn’t matter here, but if it did I think it would have been cool to clean it all up, repaint it, and park it somewhere where people...
Jump to postWord from guys at work are saying equipment issue. Initially ZMA was ATC 0 for radar issues, but now apparently both ZMA and ZJX are experiencing the issues. Reasoning for holding so far out as mentioned above is usually because facilities and sectors further south may already be saturated with hold...
Jump to postThis type of stuff has always happened. As others have said it’s simply because this day and age there are so many ways to capture what has happened. “Back in the day” we didn't have Live ATC, or FR24. Not only that but traffic numbers are higher than ever (I believe, well atleast they are here in F...
Jump to postI find it hard to believe that some people say ATC is 100% to blame. If FedEx simply "trusted" what ATC told them, the outcome would have been quite different. Not hard to believe…..it’s as simple as that, ATC opened his mouth and 100% caused this. He could have said nothing and that woul...
Jump to postWould it have made sense for the fedex pilot to call their own go around instead of saying “southwest abort”. That seems like it confused multiple parties. Negative..,FedEx was already on the go. You don’t “call” the go, you do it and when you are able, let ATC know. They were trying to prevent the...
Jump to postHow is it a large aircraft has crashed and we still have no pictures?! Strange. Glad to hear the crew survived somehow. This is the second 737 that went down and the crew managed to survive. Latest being that 732 in the water off Hawaii
Jump to postAs a controller myself, I personally feel that it was absolute terrible judgment by the controller and absolutely nothing else. That controller could have literally done nothing and the outcome would have been perfect. Southwest would have been just fine sitting there for what, a couple extra minute...
Jump to postNLINK wrote:ATC seems to be having issues a lot lately.