flyPIT wrote:FlyingRocks wrote:- When asked about problems with their airports Mr. Camacho was like the big elephant in the room is that we need a new ATC tower
Why does CLE need a new ATC tower every 15 years?
Why shouldn't CMH throw their hat in the ring for a TATL? They campaigned for BA starting a long time ago. CLE has incentives prepared for EI. Maybe the fear is they could get a TATL to a much larger European connecting point with more O&D (on a widebody- YAY) than CLE has to DUB with lesser con...
Jump to postIf F9 were to practically double their flights, we can only hope there isn't much of an offsetting reduction by other carriers
Jump to postOn 18 round trips operated, October CLE-DUB one-way loads were 2291 pax, approx a 69% load factor. Of interest, non-US inbound pax were 642, about 28% of the total traffic, the highest monthly non-US number yet. That's not super encouraging tbh, considering LH had load factors of 90% in STL for the...
Jump to postConsidering F9 supposedly suggested possible TATL with the A321XLR's, my own daydreaming has been more in the likes of the day when there were seasonal weekly charters from CLE to the likes of LON, FRA, and AMS (not usually concurrently) at best. But, I see what you mean :cheerful: ....seasonal wee...
Jump to postIt appears with Issue 2 passing last night some of you have already started to partake because that is the ONLY logical explanation for some how taking an announcement by the worst ULCC in the US announcing a tiny base and somehow getting London, CDG and AMS service out of it while only able to sup...
Jump to postIt appears with Issue 2 passing last night some of you have already started to partake because that is the ONLY logical explanation for some how taking an announcement by the worst ULCC in the US announcing a tiny base and somehow getting London, CDG and AMS service out of it while only able to sup...
Jump to postAnd remember F9 has the A321XLR on order. If all goes well, I can imagine CLE-LON by summer 2025 - probably not Heathrow, but there are alternatives. OK, people are going to moan and groan, "But it's Frontier!!!" I remember the whiny PD headline when CO announced the CLE hub. Something li...
Jump to postP-G updated their Icelandair article. https://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2023/11/02/pittsburgh-international-airport-icelandair-reykjavik-wow-air/stories/202311020079 FI officials already commenting they are hoping to make the flight year round and add frequency as early as 2025. Inc...
Jump to postP-G updated their Icelandair article. https://www.post-gazette.com/business/development/2023/11/02/pittsburgh-international-airport-icelandair-reykjavik-wow-air/stories/202311020079 FI officials already commenting they are hoping to make the flight year round and add frequency as early as 2025. Inc...
Jump to postWN had every opportunity to make CLE a good station when UA dehubbed; they just didn’t act at all whereas Nk and F9 were very aggressive. Maybe WN didn’t have the planes at the time who knows. SW may have been busy dismantling (integrating supposedly) AirTran and getting rid of all those 717's arou...
Jump to postOhio airport management might consider outlining preferred destinations that might actually be sustainable in a longer run in order to use any public funding to start. Despite limited RDU service to northeast Ohio, CAK itself might be better off with the return of a DL CAK-ATL or a UA CAK-EWR route.
Jump to postncflyer wrote:Speaking of EI.
Anyone want to go to Dublin 10/13?
$275 one way. Yikes. Return next Friday for slightly more.
Virgin atlantic is rumoured to be doing bad at AUS so maybe there going to SAT VS, KL and LH all do atrocious at AUS but VS has no beyond feed, LHRSAT won’t work. It has to be a network carrier or an airline like Condor that has the partnerships with one. How does AUS retain all of them, then? Are ...
Jump to postAugust loads CLE-DUB, 2720 pax eastbound on 17 flights of 184 seats. Let's say 7 crew are included for each flight, meaning 153 pax or 83.2% load. Non-US travelers were 17.1% - again, I think this number was higher than anticipated. So, unless Aer Lingus is giving away seats, 83.2% was probably pro...
Jump to postIt’s really something 4 carriers daily or more than daily to Atlanta. In the early 80s, Delta, Eastern and United all had about 5 daily nonstops to Atlanta. Not sure how long that lasted. Yes and UA bowed out not very long after both EA and DL came in following the old lengthy Civil Aeronautics Boa...
Jump to postWowza playing around with some EI bookings in the fall just to see fares. One could plan a trip to Paris for under $800 and Dublin around $600 in the mid to late fall, or even for the highly desirable Christmas season. And this is in regular economy—even cheaper in their version of basic economy. H...
Jump to postCLE website stinks. I don't see any news article about the new nonstop service to Dublin. Agreed. Still shows news releases on service that has already come and gone and though Aer Lingus has gotten lots of local publicity, website doesn't promote it in word form, but shows on route map. Disappoint...
Jump to postInteresting that 75% of bookings so far are to Ireland alone as reported in the article
Jump to postThat's good, let's hope it's not the Legacy Village effect, when that place opened it was traffic jams, couldn't find parking anywhere. Now look at it, so much vacancy and parts of it seem like a ghost town, another big tenant RH furniture is leaving soon. Can you tell, I still have a bee in my bon...
Jump to post^ Buried in the fine print, this news report says the port will see 53 cruise ships this season. Still, Cleveland is always a transit port, not an origin or destination. When I took one of the earlier cruises a few years ago, the line said they try to begin/end voyages in a city with a hub airport....
Jump to postSome nice publicity: https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/tripideas/58-of-the-world-s-most-stunning-cities-to-see-in-your-lifetime/ss-AA19MiVp?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=a9f487a57477461f9df0e270e06e4584&ei=9#image=1 Nice recognition away from the half century ago image. Hoping the 3 or 4 seasonal great...
Jump to postTrue Joeman but a difference now is that F9 has something like 200 planes on order; I think it's about 20-25 per year. They need to be put somewhere and CLE seems to be a pretty good station for them. That list of top stations that Massey posted, we were about the only one that wasn't a tourist mec...
Jump to postIts pretty interesting that F9 will have more destinations than UA or any other airline in CLE. And before @masseybrown 's posting the other day showing departures per station, I didn't realize that CLE was F9's 10th largest station. Let's push for SJO and BZE and other cool destinations beyond the...
Jump to postCongrats and good luck to CRW on whatever service increase is to come,
Jump to postBeen on buses and rails to rental car facilities in other places... Reducing parking space room and perhaps more revenue/garage land wouldn't be my first instinct to update without a convincing reason
Jump to postNice replacement route. Might have a good chance of some duration with variable frequency considering F9 CLE history to southern leisure places in Florida, CUN and PUJ.
Jump to postPretty sure everyone knows that with the exception of ULCC's, the airline foundation and concentration is on established hubs. So let's go back to the original post: That's nice, but it's all hub flying. I was hoping AA might throw in a CLE-DUB feeder flight, like STL or even MCI. AA and IAG (EI's o...
Jump to postFrom cleveland.com on our air service to PHX:
https://www.cleveland.com/travel/2023/0 ... izona.html
Even ignoring the G4 point cleveland is #4! Since providing links to websites with comparative data, pointing out positive CLE news and an opinion on where CAK lies in the mix apparently breaks forum rules since such comments are now deleted I'll make another wish list like those above and in other...
Jump to postRoutes I'd like to see in 2023: for CLE: SAN, MCI, YUL, SJU, MEX, AMS, more LAX, SFO for BKL or CLE: CVG, HPN, MKE Liking the notion of BKL, greater usage, and reducing any operating deficit as long as it isn't addition by subtraction from CLE. I doubt it's going away for a generation or more if ev...
Jump to postHappy New Year all!!! In my opinion, the above wish lists are very reasonable and realistic hopes going forward. It won't happen, but I'd like to see AC charging the kind of fares to YYZ that NYC enjoys with ample capacity... same for our neighbors
Jump to postA detailed refresher read of the proposed CO intent to expand CLE in the mid 2000's followed by the UA scraps left today:
https://www.aviationcle.com/post/contin ... hub-part-3
When relieving posts, you have to clear your weapons. You take the 9mm rounds out of each magazine, rack the slide 3x to the rear and lock the slide. You then count each round before reloading the magazines. You do the same for the M-4/M-16 and Shot gun. Any missing rounds or rounds that eject down...
Jump to postMaybe SW has lost a little recognition to some degree in CLE with the F9/NK splash when UA dehubbed and those 2 continue to get a lot of free publicity on all new adds(mainly substitution routes). F9/NK are are mostly in those other "peer" markets, maybe not to the little larger level as i...
Jump to postavtcle wrote:https://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2022/12/13/southwest-airlines-focused-on-restoration-return.html
Possible return of CLE MKE next year
Dominion301 wrote:CriticalPoint wrote:flightsimer wrote:
Another time padding reason is longer ground taxi times in average at hubs vs 25-30 years ago.
Some NYC financial institutions that used to have "back offices" in Cleveland no longer do. JP Morgan, for example, cut Cleveland staff by about 2/3s; according to rumor it was easier to walk away from bargain Cleveland offices lease than pricey NY ones. I think banks and fintech is some ...
Jump to postSpirit has re-added CLE RSW to its sked, 4x weekly beginning in January, A320N. United is upping CLE MCO to 11x weekly, with 2 departures within an hour of each other on F/Sa/Su/M in January along with some other sked adjustments: UA Jan 2023 CLE-EWR: 7.0 (1x B739, 2x B738, 1x B38M, 3x E170) CLE-OR...
Jump to postGreat for local politicians recognizing CLE exists. Dynamics change, but thinking it seems never ending service threats/cuts (Except for the chosen markets of course) along with a couple "new" replacement offerings since deregulation is getting old
Jump to postIf it ever goes of the ground will go the way of Primera. Remember them? Much hyped but didn’t last long once they decided narrowbody TATL was their schtick. And Norwegian's efforts in the northeast... somehow SWF and PVD with dodgy frequencies aren't as attractive as JFK and BOS with incredible fr...
Jump to postAA Feb Sked has been updated: CLE-DCA: 4.0 (4x E175) CLE-CLT: 4.0 (2x B738, 2x A320) CLE-DFW: 4.0 (4x B738) CLE-ORD: 4.0 (2x E175, 1x E170, 1x E145) CLE-PHL: 3.0 (1x A319, 1x CRJ9, 1x E145) CLE-LGA: 3.0 (3x E175) CLE-JFK: 2.0 (2x E175) CLE-MIA: 1.0 (1x B738) 25 daily PHX pulled in February and Marc...
Jump to postWell the hub rules according to a.netters, at least during the great consolidation of hubs, were that an airline cannot make hubs work in smaller/medium markets (except for the ones that exist - but only due to geographical location) and an airline cannot have 2 hubs within closer proximity, unless ...
Jump to postLikewise izbtmnhd I prefer smaller especially at this reduced level of ops and certainly ponder Mohawkweekend's suggestions of rejuvenating D. For me, B is so inferior, I'd like to see it leveled/replaced eventually with so many gates available to absorb the activity and an enlarged central terminal...
Jump to postNational media that visit CLE generally arrive thru the airport, I'm sure their 1st impression leaves them with a hard time letting go of the "Rust Belt" image they've been so fond promoting to enhance their own. Then there are the multitudes, these days generally from longer distance plac...
Jump to postThere's been lotsa talk on CMH becoming another emerging boomtown. As much as I'd like to see a foreign metal airline there to one of the four largest European hubs, if I were on the FI team I'd be pushing to seriously look at CMH and what $ could be had to do it with no competition like they immedi...
Jump to postBA would never fly to CLE at the same time as PIT, which is a good performer as frequencies are set to increase next summer. So EI are the best CLE will get for now, I also think a 787 would be too big for CLE, A321 is perfect. Gotta agree considering what seems to be somewhat limited connection op...
Jump to postThe mystery of SY coming to CLE given their latest round of expansion since CLE was announced in 2019:
https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019 ... -paul.html
Thanks se210!!! With lots of space available, if financially feasible maybe CLE should start modernizing by closing and demolishing Concourse B for a rebuild. Hopefully ops will never be lower to impede construction.
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