I think its so funny how most here think B6 wants NK because of FLL or because of their pilots. The truth is, its a combination of all of that plus their planes and workforce, with a side of ambition. Robyn’s letter to NK after the board declined their offer, specifically mentions B6 trying to get ...
Jump to postYou see jetblue as retracting? Haven’t they grown more than any other carrier since covid? They have 4,500 pilots and are planning on hiring a total of over 1,000 this year alone. They’ve hired something like 5000-6000 employees this year alone. What am I missing? Exactly, they are not "retrac...
Jump to postThey both operate very different business models that typically tend to very different types of travelers. The only real thing they have in common is their love for FLL and the all Airbus fleet. So, what is the end goal of this take over? Would JetBlue just kill the Spirit brand, absorb the Airbus ...
Jump to postLet's be explicit here, B6 said they were willing to give up NK's assets in BOS/NYC (which would have been a given), outside of that they have made no further definitive commitments. And if we are to believe what B6 says, they want this merger in large part to gain access to NK's assets in these ga...
Jump to postdelusional? No one is arguing that either merger doesn't mean less competition. B6 is quite simply much worse for competition. Let's try this one more time. BOTH mergers have the potential to raise prices, one(B6) more than the other. Let's explain using your example: Essentially pre any merger- NK...
Jump to postI don't know about this, but could he have (in his attempt to get out) kicked some knobs around unwillingly? Maybe his knee could have went through like a PFD and cracked it? Though i have no idea the durability of the screens, so someone else can make commentary there. That’s a concern with gettin...
Jump to post[*] I don't know about this, but could he have (in his attempt to get out) kicked some knobs around unwillingly? Maybe his knee could have went through like a PFD and cracked it? Though i have no idea the durability of the screens, so someone else can make commentary there. That’s a concern with get...
Jump to postOperating a different brand is not an alter-ego. This is the ALPA definition of alter ego - "entities owned and operated by the same parent corporation or holding company, but staffed by different, nonunion employees without benefit of a contract". We are not talking about keeping Spirit ...
Jump to postWell then… PRESS RELEASE Spirit Airlines to Begin Discussions with JetBlue Airways MIRAMAR, Fla., April 7, 2022 /PRNewswire/ -- Spirit Airlines, Inc. ("Spirit" or the "Company") (NYSE:SAVE) today announced that its Board of Directors has determined, after consultation with the Co...
Jump to postI'm in the "this merger is stupid" group. NK brings basically no value to B6 and there is no way the NK network is sustainable at B6 costs. This would be more an FL/WN type merger that was basically just to eliminate competition not produce benefits for the company or consumers. NK brings...
Jump to postI'm in the "this merger is stupid" group. NK brings basically no value to B6 and there is no way the NK network is sustainable at B6 costs. This would be more an FL/WN type merger that was basically just to eliminate competition not produce benefits for the company or consumers. NK brings...
Jump to postsea13 wrote:JetSpirit? SpiritJet? JetBlue? Spirit?
DaCubbyBearBar wrote:BUT…. What bank/firm is going to help B6 underwrite this?
SESGDL wrote:NK’s route network won’t be profitable with B6’s costs.
I’m looking at it the way I looked at it when we tried to do it in 2016. It was a bad deal then at $57 a share -and $4B in integrated costs, and it’s a bad deal in hindsight. At $57/share, it would have been a disaster for B6, but they still wanted in, just not at that price. Hopefully for my frien...
Jump to postThe government let the industry go from 8 majors to 4. The government cares about mergers train has left the station. Exactly. The DOJ cant let 4 major carriers emerge and then say “oh wait, none of you else can play.” Read these articles on the administration’s take on mergers and anti-trust. http...
Jump to postThere are many reasons why this makes much more sense than the VX acquisition and further underscores the appropriate decision to drive the price up for Alaska before walking away from the deal. :rotfl: The Iraqi Information Minister is strong with you. “….decision to drive up the price and walk aw...
Jump to postUgh. Rhetorical question: why would the Target buy the Dollar General of the aviation industry? Sigh. Smells like desperation to me. Exactly. Frontier+Spirit is such a good idea that it is going to really be a competitive menace to JetBlue. JetBlue would rather be a bigger player able to intimidate...
Jump to postStill think AS+B6 makes more sense. East coast powerhouse + west coast powerhouse. Both semi-premium. Makes a lot more sense, and notably if the AS c-suite is the one brought in to manage the combined carriers. More experience, more seasoned. B6's achilles heel is its operational unreliability. As ...
Jump to postActually it is high. B6/NK 49% WN 14.87% DL 12.48% AA 9.58% The combined carrier would the dominate at FLL. Even 49% at FLL isn't a problem: MIA is right down the road. B6/NK wouldn't dominate South Florida. 49% across the airports of NYC, or WAS, or the Bay Area -- that would be a problem, likely ...
Jump to postJetBlue waited out the poison pill. I see the JetBlue brand and concept surviving. It would also solve their A320-sized replacement issue…and it would open up a lot of bases for JetBlue if this happens, especially in Las Vegas and maybe more flights in Texas. Well they already said there brand woul...
Jump to postActually it is high. B6/NK 49% WN 14.87% DL 12.48% AA 9.58% The combined carrier would the dominate at FLL. And what was the combined DL/NW at ATL, MSP, DTW? Or AA/US at PHL, ORD, DFW, PHX? Or UA/CO at EWR, ORD, IAH, SFO? Do your homework and let us know. What’s your problem? The questions were rhe...
Jump to poststlgph wrote:Looking forward to see if Spirit puts a poison pill into play. That would make the Frontier offer *much* more interesting.
Ugh. Rhetorical question: why would the Target buy the Dollar General of the aviation industry? Sigh. As far as the advantages, it would make them the 800 lb gorilla at FLL, a more serious player at MCO, and a lesser extent the LAX adds maybe give them more critical mass there. Beyond that....this ...
Jump to postI would love to have been in the board room to know the JetBlue strategy, like is their intent really to spend the cash to buy out a competitor and squash the ala carte model. Or expand the a la carte offerings at JetBlue? They could still offer a humane product to their existing clientele while do...
Jump to postSmacks of a real Red Team/Green Team issue in the future. Or maybe this is just WN swallowing AirTran, but with compatible aircraft types. Goal: Eliminate a competitor, pure and simple. NK & B6 are too close in size for that to be a realistic possibility. Makes sense to me. One of the last move...
Jump to postOh, the (lawsuit) games we'll play! Potential: Against Spirit's BOD if they don't pursue the higher offer. Against JBLU for trying to screw up the F9/NK deal. Against somebody if they don't pay the prescribed deal termination fee... Separately, no way would they keep two brands. That foregoes the s...
Jump to postI don’t understand how two companies that are so inherently different could ever hope to be run by a common entity. This would be a huge mistake for JetBlue, and I think it shows an identity crisis at the blue airline. Every airline is inherently different before a merger. That’s why they’re a diff...
Jump to postIf he did join aa after delta debacle, that would be super awkward. Apparently they've created a special position at AA just for him... https://viewfromthewing.com/jetblues-key-executive-who-left-for-delta-in-january-is-already-moving-to-american-airlines/ Good for him. Makes sense if an SVP role p...
Jump to postMaybe they weren’t such a big fan of him, and he got out before he was told to leave. Where in the US can he go now? Doubt back to JetBlue. He was at UA already, and now DL is done. He can’t go to AA for DOJ reasons with the codeshare (I would imagine-maybe I am misreading it). What’s left? WN? HA?...
Jump to postSeems like Scott Laurence wasn’t too big a fan of working at Delta https://twitter.com/_zachgriff/status/1494726098432761867?s=21 Maybe they weren’t such a big fan of him, and he got out before he was told to leave. Where in the US can he go now? Doubt back to JetBlue. He was at UA already, and now...
Jump to postI know this accident will remain one of the great mysteries of aviation, with no clear answer ever coming forth. But I did get answers to the operational questions, and I am grateful for the information. What is mysterious about this accident? Well, the actual CVR tape of the last 30 minutes has ne...
Jump to postYou're really grasping at straws to make your (factually incorrect) argument. Airports and Inflight aren't part of operations? Or it just doesn’t fit your narrative? No surprise coming from the usual anti-B6 crowd on here. We can agree the operation is in bad shape. But to say there wasn’t operatio...
Jump to post"Chief People Officer" is a fancy way of saying "head of HR". Are you really suggesting that a head of HR has "operational experience" because she oversaw all employees in the operation? She has been a disaster with everything she has touched at JetBlue. The fact that ...
Jump to postWhen you look at the board in the crew room, and you see 105/100, that is new. Cut the BS that it has been going on since the beginning. It hasnt. There were times, after the Boxing Day Blizzard for example, when you saw it on one or two flights…now you see it on a sunny Tuesday with regularity. I’...
Jump to post“Prior to being named president & COO, she served as JetBlue’s executive vice president, customer experience, responsible for airports, customer support, and inflight service. She served as executive vice president, chief people officer from 2010-2014, after serving as vice president, associate...
Jump to postAlso concerning that they would promote the most toxic leader at jetblue. I’ve never heard FAs despise someone so much, or seen morale so low within a workgroup. Unbelievable he didn’t get sent to go spend more time with his family, and instead got promoted. But then again, this is the same company...
Jump to postAre they coming back to Terminal A by JetBlue? Or moving over to co-locate closer to Star partners in B?
Jump to postI agree with the others who have mentioned it. It has and will continue to happen. And I seem to recall a certain incumbent carrier in Atlanta landing a 767 in the early morning on the taxiway parallel to the runway. https://www.flightglobal.com/ntsb-complex-error-chain-preceded-delta-767-taxiway-l...
Jump to postZero difference to the customer at the airport waiting to board a plane that doesnt have a seat for them. And, most pertinent to this thread, it never occurred at B6 before with the regularity it is occurring now. Except there is a difference, and overbooking has been occurring since the airline wa...
Jump to postBrianpr3 wrote:jfklganyc wrote:Rumor around school house says bookings are way down due to Delta variant.
Take that for what its worth.
down as bad as when this crap first hit?
It is happening! All day everyday. Oversold flights You do understand the difference between an overbooked flight and an oversold flight, don’t you? Zero difference to the customer at the airport waiting to board a plane that doesnt have a seat for them. And, most pertinent to this thread, it never...
Jump to postI wouldn't be so sure. If memory serves, this Battaglia fellow has presided over numerous operational meltdowns and has never been held to account for such. It seems quite shocking they would give him additional responsibilities given his track record. Yeah you know a company is in trouble culture-...
Jump to postYou will regularly see oversold flights on B6 now because AA is sending people over That is not how rebooking works. B6 does not overbook flights - AA can't book inventory B6 won't sell. It is happening! All day everyday. Oversold flights You do understand the difference between an overbooked fligh...
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Jump to postHere's the release without clicking on the link (as expected): <acronym title="Fortaleza - Pinto Martins (FOR / SBFZ), Brazil">FOR</acronym> IMMEDIATE DISTRIBUTION Delta Air Lines Builds on Successful Expansion at New York-<acronym title="New York - John F. Kennedy International (Idlewild) (JFK / KJ...
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