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by BostonBeau
Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: History question: Baltimore airport
Replies: 14
Views: 2545

Re: History question: Baltimore airport

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Not BWI obviously, but BOAC operated Boeing 314 flying boats from Baltimore to the UK just after the end of WW2: http://timetableimages.com/i-bc/ba4507i.jpg

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by BostonBeau
Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: History question: Baltimore airport
Replies: 14
Views: 2545

Re: History question: Baltimore airport

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In 1937, Pan Am and Imperial Airways operated a joint service between Baltimore and Bermuda: http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/pa37bb11.htm

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by BostonBeau
Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Clarification on KLM service to Boston in 2019
Replies: 17
Views: 2885

Re: Clarification on KLM service to Boston in 2019

And the KLM service will be only 3 times a week. Given Delta flies twice a day, 3 times a week seems pretty lame.

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by BostonBeau
Mon May 28, 2018 8:58 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: The Downgrade of Hawaii Inflight Service
Replies: 42
Views: 5493

Re: The Downgrade of Hawaii Inflight Service

I think in the days of regulation, Hawaii was even then a special case. Whereas there were two fare classes on the mainland (F and Y), there was a third class no-frills service to Hawaii (class K). I don't think you got a meal in K but you did in Y.

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by BostonBeau
Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Help with a childhood memory
Replies: 23
Views: 2168

Re: Help with a childhood memory

PA201 left Miami at 2100h and made a stop in Brasilia one day a week in the late 60's/early 70's. The rest of the week it was nonstop Miami-Rio.

Oops....double checking, PA201 originated in New York, not Miami. Sorry.

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by BostonBeau
Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:31 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Flying Almost 9 Hours To Come Back Over Your Home Again!
Replies: 38
Views: 4570

Re: Flying Almost 9 Hours To Come Back Over Your Home Again!

On the subject of strange connections...in November 1971, Amtrak (the USA passenger railroad) published in their national timetable, a connection between San Diego and Los Angeles (~120 miles) that operated via Kansas City and took 4 days!

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by BostonBeau
Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Mirabel Airport - Montreal
Replies: 56
Views: 9391

Re: Mirabel Airport - Montreal

How does the situation between YUL and YMX compare to the situation we had in the USA between DCA and IAD? When IAD opened, basically only the long-distance flights that had been using BWI moved there, but there were very few other flights for many years. When IAD first opened, it had fewer than 100...

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by BostonBeau
Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How did PanAm feed its network?
Replies: 100
Views: 10736

Re: How did PanAm feed its network?

Before deregulation, National operated several flights a day between BOS and JFK, generally timed to make connections to international flights at JFK. National operated more BOS-JFK flights than any other airline at the time. During those days, many people traveled to Europe on a package tour, and m...

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by BostonBeau
Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How did PanAm feed its network?
Replies: 100
Views: 10736

Re: How did PanAm feed its network?

The interchange out of New Orleans was on a Pan Am DC8-21 (non fanjet) and operated MSY-ATL-IAD-LHR. Never through Boston. Later, when they got rid of the DC8's at Pan Am, I think they went to a 747 for a while, but originated just out of ATL. Check out this page for PA52: I was wrong about the sto...

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by BostonBeau
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How did PanAm feed its network?
Replies: 100
Views: 10736

Re: How did PanAm feed its network?

I used to like the interchange flights Pan Am operated with Delta and Northwest that passed through Boston on the way to Europe in the winter months (when Pan Am could not fill the planes just with Boston-originating passengers). Neither Delta nor Northwest served Boston at that point, and it was th...

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by BostonBeau
Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How did PanAm feed its network?
Replies: 100
Views: 10736

Re: How did PanAm feed its network?

And He tried to get Congress to make Pan Am the only legal flag carrier back in the 1940's and keep TWA out of the transatlantic market. That's when Howard Hughes was forced to appear at a Senate hearing. It didn't help Pan Am that the President was Harry Truman and that TWA was the hometown airlin...

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by BostonBeau
Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How did PanAm feed its network?
Replies: 100
Views: 10736

Re: How did PanAm feed its network?

How did Pan Am end up some critically short of political juice? Pan Am began in the 1920s/30s in the Caribbean and Central/South America. Pan Am would negotiate email and exclusive landing rights with all the various foreign governments, without the knowledge or consent of the appropriate U.S. auth...

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by BostonBeau
Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How did PanAm feed its network?
Replies: 100
Views: 10736

Re: How did PanAm feed its network?

The awarding of international airline routes used to be the personal purview of the President of the US. The CAB would have studies, meetings, discussions...and airlines wanting international routes would make their presentations...but the final decision was the President's. As someone mentioned, Pa...

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by BostonBeau
Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:41 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Interesting article on what the Concorde was like
Replies: 16
Views: 3041

Re: Interesting article on what the Concorde was like

Now this was 40+ years ago, but I vaguely remember walking through Concorde when it was in Boston (probably to try to convince MassPort to let it land there). I can't imagine an airline letting the public roam through one of their aircraft today, but that was another era. I was surprised at how smal...

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by BostonBeau
Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA & DL failed to capitalize fully TW & PA
Replies: 85
Views: 8896

Re: AA & DL failed to capitalize fully TW & PA

I never understood AA's purchase of the BOS-LHR route from TWA, and then gradually surrendering it to British Airways. They started out with I think 3 B777s a day (or it may have been two B777s in the evening and a B767 for the morning flight). Then it was three A300s. Then three 757s. Then (poof) n...

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by BostonBeau
Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why use widebodies for domestic flights?
Replies: 100
Views: 15893

Re: Why use widebodies for domestic flights?

I must be getting old enough to have experienced a nice variety of wide bodies on short flights as well. I recall being on a 767-200 between ORD and STL, and a L1011 between STL and MCO and JFK. I remember when Eastern regularly used the A300 on the BOS-LGA Shuttle! Although the 727s were comfortab...

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by BostonBeau
Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston aviation - 2018
Replies: 2154
Views: 183433

Re: Boston aviation - 2018

On their website???? You should be able to book round trip..[/quote] When you do a google search for BOS-LGW, there is a notation that separate tickets are necessary, which should be purchased at the same time. This is only for Norwegian at LGW, not for flights to LHR on other airlines. On the Norwe...

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by BostonBeau
Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston aviation - 2018
Replies: 2154
Views: 183433

Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Does anyone know why Norwegian requires you to purchase 2 separate tickets for a return trip on their BOS-LGW service?

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by BostonBeau
Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:50 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What would Pan Am look like today?
Replies: 26
Views: 3850

Re: What would Pan Am look like today?

I live in a town that the Pan Am Railways main freight line passes through. I was wondering yesterday, while waiting for a train to pass, if the railroad inherited the "waiting list for the moon" along with the Pan Am name and blue meatball logo. I think Pan Am started mentioning the waiti...

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by BostonBeau
Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LIS as intermediate stop in 60s, 70s, and 80s
Replies: 34
Views: 7532

Re: LIS as intermediate stop in 60s, 70s, and 80s

Not really a technical stop, but Pan Am flew a B707 in the 60's twice a week JFK-BOS-SMA-LIS-CMN/RBA (The service to RBA was only during construction at CMN)

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by BostonBeau
Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Do Flight Attendants Know if a Passenger is Underage?
Replies: 57
Views: 9872

Re: Do Flight Attendants Know if a Passenger is Underage?

In the 50's, didn't TWA have to stop liquor service when flying over Kansas because Kansas was a "dry" state at the time?

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by BostonBeau
Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Early 747 lounges on upper deck?
Replies: 27
Views: 5544

Re: Early 747 lounges on upper deck?

I never flew on a 747 while there was still a lounge on the upper deck, but I did fly on the upper deck on VS's 747-100 "Spirit of Sir Freddie" several times while it was operating daily between Boston and London Gatwick. I used to chuckle when the FA would remind me that the secondary eme...

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by BostonBeau
Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How will Boeing name its future aircraft?
Replies: 56
Views: 9683

Re: How will Boeing name its future aircraft?

Tan Flyr wrote:
Maybe 2707?

Didn't Boeing already use 2707 for it's never-built supersonic entry in the 1960's? I suppose since President Kennedy canceled the project, and no actual plane was evry built (just a mock-up), they could use the number. But it might be considered unlucky.

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by BostonBeau
Mon Aug 07, 2017 2:55 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Did airlines love their 3 engine wide body aircraft?
Replies: 44
Views: 6037

Re: Did airlines love their 3 engine wide body aircraft?

Which airlines had BOTH the DC-10 and the L-1011 in their fleets? I know Pan Am did after the National merger, but were there others?

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by BostonBeau
Mon Aug 07, 2017 2:54 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Did airlines love their 3 engine wide body aircraft?
Replies: 44
Views: 6037

Re: Did airlines love their 3 engine wide body aircraft?

The DC-10 was popular in part because it provided a lot of capacity at airports with short runways. AA specifically ordered the DC-10 for airports like LGA and AA flew a number of the aircraft into LGA for years. Exactly! Although the DC-10 and L-1011 eventually took on mostly long haul flights, th...

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by BostonBeau
Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flight schedules of westbound PA round the world flight ?
Replies: 14
Views: 2202

Re: westbound PA round the world

Far as we can tell, HKG-LHR was the only no-local-passenger city pair. Plus, of course, LAX-JFK and vv. It must have been so frustrating for Pan Am not to have domestic routes in the USA at that point. And probably very expensive to have to fly empty planes to position them for an overseas flight. ...

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by BostonBeau
Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United's old DC-8 fleet questions
Replies: 111
Views: 10511

Re: United's old DC-8 fleet questions

In the 1960's Pan Am and Delta operated an interchange flight using one of Delta's DC-8's that would trek MSY-IAD-BOS-ORY. Delta operated the flight MSY-IAD, then Pan Am crews would take over at IAD. Delta had not yet taken over Northeast Airlines and did not yet serve BOS, so this was the only time...

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by BostonBeau
Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United's old DC-8 fleet questions
Replies: 111
Views: 10511

Re: United's old DC-8 fleet questions

And I had no idea that PanAm had them. What routes did PanAm use them on? Pan Am bought DC-8's mostly as a bargaining chip with Boeing. The B707 was originally designed to have 5-across seating in Economy, whereas the DC-8 was going to have 6-across. To convince Boeing that 6-across was the way to ...

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by BostonBeau
Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is protected US domestic market really unique?
Replies: 56
Views: 4620

Re: Is protected US domestic market really unique?

Do most US airlines still belong to CRAF? I don't think the US government would want to have to contract with "foreign" airlines to carry US troops and equipment.

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by BostonBeau
Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airline stopovers at small airports
Replies: 58
Views: 9307

Re: Airline stopovers at small airports

I think a lot of the service to smaller cities arose when the CAB still regulated the airlines. I don't think airlines could just drop service the way they can now. In New England, Northeast Airlines was forced to maintain routes that were clearly unprofitable, and as aircraft became bigger, the rou...

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by BostonBeau
Tue May 30, 2017 5:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Braniff History Question - 747 Schedule April 1969
Replies: 49
Views: 4803

Re: Braniff History Question - 747 Schedule April 1969

I've never forgotten a memory of being at Logan airport waiting for some friends to arrive from Amsterdam on Braniff. I was upstairs in terminal E in the departure area watching out the windows for the B747 to land (those were the days...I doubt you can go up there now without a ticket). There was a...

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by BostonBeau
Wed May 24, 2017 7:57 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Ever fly on the same plane twice?
Replies: 138
Views: 8621

Re: Ever fly on the same plane twice?

Virgin Atlantic used to have a single 747-100 "Spirit of Sir Freddie" that was used most commonly on BOS-LGW, so I flew on Sir Freddie several times. Before VS, I used to fly Pan Am and encountered Clipper Kit Carson more than once.

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by BostonBeau
Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Would PanAm have refreshed their livery if they were still around?
Replies: 41
Views: 6087

Re: Would PanAm have refreshed their livery if they were still around?

I doubt they would have messed with the blue meatball on the tail, but the lettering on the fuselage could have been tinkered with. The black "Pan American" text above the windows looked fine on the B707s, but was lost on the expanse of the B747s. So they came up with the billboard paint s...

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by BostonBeau
Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic LGW operations and former routes
Replies: 26
Views: 4691

Re: Virgin Atlantic LGW operations and former routes

I used to fly VS to London 2 or 3 times a year from BOS. The flight was most commonly operated with VS's B747-100 "Spirit of Sir Freddie". I think it was their only 747-100, but for a short hop like BOS-LGW, it was fine. I was actually kind of disappointed when they retired "Freddie&q...

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by BostonBeau
Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: British Airways/BOAC at BGR??
Replies: 7
Views: 1878

British Airways/BOAC at BGR??

I know that Finnair briefly served Bangor International Airport in Maine in the late 90's on a Helsinki/Florida B757 flight with the right to carry passengers BGR-HEL: there is a thread on this. But the Bangor Maine Wikipedia page says "Decades ago, British Airways offered regular service from ...

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by BostonBeau
Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s
Replies: 52
Views: 7154

Re: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s

Pan Am also had services Boston to Santa Maria, also originating in New York, twice weekly if I remember correctly. The flights continued on to Lisbon and then Casablanca (during construction at Casablanca, the flights operated to Rabat for a bit).

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by BostonBeau
Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s
Replies: 52
Views: 7154

Re: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s

And there was the time Pan Am created a mini-hub using Gate E1 for the DTW-BOS-LHR B747, and the gates in the former Terminal D for B707s from interior US cities to Shannon, Paris, Frankfurt, and Lisbon (I think). Since Pan Am gave up the London flight in 1977, the mini-hub must have been before der...

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by BostonBeau
Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s
Replies: 52
Views: 7154

Re: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s

The Pan Am/TWA route swap was in 1975: http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1975/01/31/page/3/article/pan-am-t-w-a-route-swap-approved-by-u-s Basically Pan Am gave up southern Europe. TWA gave up Germany and their Pacific services. Pan Am relinquished the Boston-London route in 1977: https://www.washi...

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by BostonBeau
Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s
Replies: 52
Views: 7154

Re: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s

Someone above mentioned that CO served LGW from Bos. I don't have any record of that. Can someone else confirm? I don't recall CO serving BOS-LGW on their own metal, but they did have a codeshare with VS, prior to VS aligning with DL. I once flew to London twice within a few weeks of each other, an...

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by BostonBeau
Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s
Replies: 52
Views: 7154

Re: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s

TWA for a while actually flew Constellations from Hanscom Field (BED) to Paris while Logan was being made ready for jets.

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by BostonBeau
Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dual Airline Use Aircraft?
Replies: 37
Views: 6360

Re: Dual Airline Use Aircraft?

These are interchange flights rather than dual paint-jobs, but during the winter season in the 1960s, Pan Am's flights from Boston to Europe were operated using the interchange partner's aircraft: Northwest provided a B707 to London and Delta a DC-8 to Paris. Neither Northwest nor Delta served Bosto...

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by BostonBeau
Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Worst-Timed Commerical Flights
Replies: 109
Views: 16444

Re: Worst-Timed Commerical Flights

Sometimes red-eyes make sense. Eastern (the original) used to offer late-night flights on their A-300's. They actually were cargo flights, with the hold full of cargo, and they sold seats to passengers who were not allowed to check any baggage, but they knocked a considerable percentage off the tick...

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by BostonBeau
Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA 2 scheduled stops in HNL
Replies: 56
Views: 8216

Re: UA 2 scheduled stops in HNL

Not sure why they are going to HNL for fuel. SIN-ANC-SFO is about 500 miles shorter than SIN-HNL-SFO.

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by BostonBeau
Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA's 777-200ER ULH flights
Replies: 60
Views: 14821

Re: UA's 777-200ER ULH flights

I don't know about United, but I understood that Pan Am's early New York-Tokyo B747 flights were filed as New York-Fairbanks, and then if the remaining fuel was sufficient when approaching Fairbanks, the flight plan was modified en route to New York-Tokyo.

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by BostonBeau
Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 25 years ago Pan Am went out business
Replies: 22
Views: 4084

Re: 25 years ago Pan Am went out business

Can anyone remember why Pan Am lost the Boston-London route? It had something to do with them never actually having a certificate for the route and someone finally noticed and made a fuss.

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by BostonBeau
Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Shuttle (BOS/NYC/DCA)
Replies: 13
Views: 4015

Re: The Shuttle (BOS/NYC/DCA)

I remember when the Eastern shuttle operated with Constellations and Electras, and cost SIX BUCKS! haha. Good way for Eastern to keep flying perfectly good prop planes that had been replaced by jets on longer routes.

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by BostonBeau
Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Replicate Keflavik's model in the Azores?
Replies: 37
Views: 7220

Re: Replicate Keflavik's model in the Azores?

KEF is almost exactly on the great circle route from the USA to Europe. PDL is not. A flight BOS-KEF-CDG is about 200 miles shorter than BOS-PDL-CDG. Maybe as someone suggested between the Caribbean/South America and Europe, but not North America-Europe.

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by BostonBeau
Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Buys Six MD-11(F)'s???
Replies: 28
Views: 13645

Re: Delta Buys Six MD-11(F)'s???

Maybe DHL, the cargo people?

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by BostonBeau
Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NYC to Cape Cod, why no service?
Replies: 24
Views: 3589

Re: NYC to Cape Cod, why no service?

I remember flying from ACK to HYA and then on to Boston on a Northeast DC-9. Between Nantucket and Hyannis, I doubt we got above 3000 feet. It was strange, because the plane was full from ACK to HYA, then almost everyone got off in HYA and there were only a few of us continuing to Boston.

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