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by BostonBeau
Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Clarification on KLM service to Boston in 2019
Replies: 17
Views: 2778

Re: Clarification on KLM service to Boston in 2019

And the KLM service will be only 3 times a week. Given Delta flies twice a day, 3 times a week seems pretty lame.

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by BostonBeau
Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Early 747 lounges on upper deck?
Replies: 27
Views: 5424

Re: Early 747 lounges on upper deck?

I never flew on a 747 while there was still a lounge on the upper deck, but I did fly on the upper deck on VS's 747-100 "Spirit of Sir Freddie" several times while it was operating daily between Boston and London Gatwick. I used to chuckle when the FA would remind me that the secondary eme...

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by BostonBeau
Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How will Boeing name its future aircraft?
Replies: 56
Views: 9050

Re: How will Boeing name its future aircraft?

Tan Flyr wrote:
Maybe 2707?

Didn't Boeing already use 2707 for it's never-built supersonic entry in the 1960's? I suppose since President Kennedy canceled the project, and no actual plane was evry built (just a mock-up), they could use the number. But it might be considered unlucky.

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by BostonBeau
Mon Aug 07, 2017 2:55 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Did airlines love their 3 engine wide body aircraft?
Replies: 44
Views: 5981

Re: Did airlines love their 3 engine wide body aircraft?

Which airlines had BOTH the DC-10 and the L-1011 in their fleets? I know Pan Am did after the National merger, but were there others?

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by BostonBeau
Mon Aug 07, 2017 2:54 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Did airlines love their 3 engine wide body aircraft?
Replies: 44
Views: 5981

Re: Did airlines love their 3 engine wide body aircraft?

The DC-10 was popular in part because it provided a lot of capacity at airports with short runways. AA specifically ordered the DC-10 for airports like LGA and AA flew a number of the aircraft into LGA for years. Exactly! Although the DC-10 and L-1011 eventually took on mostly long haul flights, th...

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by BostonBeau
Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flight schedules of westbound PA round the world flight ?
Replies: 14
Views: 2187

Re: westbound PA round the world

Far as we can tell, HKG-LHR was the only no-local-passenger city pair. Plus, of course, LAX-JFK and vv. It must have been so frustrating for Pan Am not to have domestic routes in the USA at that point. And probably very expensive to have to fly empty planes to position them for an overseas flight. ...

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by BostonBeau
Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United's old DC-8 fleet questions
Replies: 111
Views: 10298

Re: United's old DC-8 fleet questions

In the 1960's Pan Am and Delta operated an interchange flight using one of Delta's DC-8's that would trek MSY-IAD-BOS-ORY. Delta operated the flight MSY-IAD, then Pan Am crews would take over at IAD. Delta had not yet taken over Northeast Airlines and did not yet serve BOS, so this was the only time...

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by BostonBeau
Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United's old DC-8 fleet questions
Replies: 111
Views: 10298

Re: United's old DC-8 fleet questions

And I had no idea that PanAm had them. What routes did PanAm use them on? Pan Am bought DC-8's mostly as a bargaining chip with Boeing. The B707 was originally designed to have 5-across seating in Economy, whereas the DC-8 was going to have 6-across. To convince Boeing that 6-across was the way to ...

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by BostonBeau
Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is protected US domestic market really unique?
Replies: 56
Views: 4569

Re: Is protected US domestic market really unique?

Do most US airlines still belong to CRAF? I don't think the US government would want to have to contract with "foreign" airlines to carry US troops and equipment.

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by BostonBeau
Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airline stopovers at small airports
Replies: 58
Views: 9238

Re: Airline stopovers at small airports

I think a lot of the service to smaller cities arose when the CAB still regulated the airlines. I don't think airlines could just drop service the way they can now. In New England, Northeast Airlines was forced to maintain routes that were clearly unprofitable, and as aircraft became bigger, the rou...

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by BostonBeau
Tue May 30, 2017 5:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Braniff History Question - 747 Schedule April 1969
Replies: 49
Views: 4712

Re: Braniff History Question - 747 Schedule April 1969

I've never forgotten a memory of being at Logan airport waiting for some friends to arrive from Amsterdam on Braniff. I was upstairs in terminal E in the departure area watching out the windows for the B747 to land (those were the days...I doubt you can go up there now without a ticket). There was a...

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by BostonBeau
Wed May 24, 2017 7:57 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Ever fly on the same plane twice?
Replies: 138
Views: 8424

Re: Ever fly on the same plane twice?

Virgin Atlantic used to have a single 747-100 "Spirit of Sir Freddie" that was used most commonly on BOS-LGW, so I flew on Sir Freddie several times. Before VS, I used to fly Pan Am and encountered Clipper Kit Carson more than once.

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by BostonBeau
Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Would PanAm have refreshed their livery if they were still around?
Replies: 41
Views: 5954

Re: Would PanAm have refreshed their livery if they were still around?

I doubt they would have messed with the blue meatball on the tail, but the lettering on the fuselage could have been tinkered with. The black "Pan American" text above the windows looked fine on the B707s, but was lost on the expanse of the B747s. So they came up with the billboard paint s...

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by BostonBeau
Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic LGW operations and former routes
Replies: 26
Views: 4644

Re: Virgin Atlantic LGW operations and former routes

I used to fly VS to London 2 or 3 times a year from BOS. The flight was most commonly operated with VS's B747-100 "Spirit of Sir Freddie". I think it was their only 747-100, but for a short hop like BOS-LGW, it was fine. I was actually kind of disappointed when they retired "Freddie&q...

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by BostonBeau
Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: British Airways/BOAC at BGR??
Replies: 7
Views: 1867

British Airways/BOAC at BGR??

I know that Finnair briefly served Bangor International Airport in Maine in the late 90's on a Helsinki/Florida B757 flight with the right to carry passengers BGR-HEL: there is a thread on this. But the Bangor Maine Wikipedia page says "Decades ago, British Airways offered regular service from ...

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by BostonBeau
Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s
Replies: 52
Views: 7079

Re: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s

Pan Am also had services Boston to Santa Maria, also originating in New York, twice weekly if I remember correctly. The flights continued on to Lisbon and then Casablanca (during construction at Casablanca, the flights operated to Rabat for a bit).

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by BostonBeau
Mon Jan 30, 2017 10:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s
Replies: 52
Views: 7079

Re: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s

And there was the time Pan Am created a mini-hub using Gate E1 for the DTW-BOS-LHR B747, and the gates in the former Terminal D for B707s from interior US cities to Shannon, Paris, Frankfurt, and Lisbon (I think). Since Pan Am gave up the London flight in 1977, the mini-hub must have been before der...

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by BostonBeau
Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s
Replies: 52
Views: 7079

Re: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s

The Pan Am/TWA route swap was in 1975: http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1975/01/31/page/3/article/pan-am-t-w-a-route-swap-approved-by-u-s Basically Pan Am gave up southern Europe. TWA gave up Germany and their Pacific services. Pan Am relinquished the Boston-London route in 1977: https://www.washi...

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by BostonBeau
Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s
Replies: 52
Views: 7079

Re: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s

Someone above mentioned that CO served LGW from Bos. I don't have any record of that. Can someone else confirm? I don't recall CO serving BOS-LGW on their own metal, but they did have a codeshare with VS, prior to VS aligning with DL. I once flew to London twice within a few weeks of each other, an...

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by BostonBeau
Sun Jan 29, 2017 11:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s
Replies: 52
Views: 7079

Re: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s

TWA for a while actually flew Constellations from Hanscom Field (BED) to Paris while Logan was being made ready for jets.

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by BostonBeau
Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dual Airline Use Aircraft?
Replies: 37
Views: 6328

Re: Dual Airline Use Aircraft?

These are interchange flights rather than dual paint-jobs, but during the winter season in the 1960s, Pan Am's flights from Boston to Europe were operated using the interchange partner's aircraft: Northwest provided a B707 to London and Delta a DC-8 to Paris. Neither Northwest nor Delta served Bosto...

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by BostonBeau
Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Worst-Timed Commerical Flights
Replies: 109
Views: 16340

Re: Worst-Timed Commerical Flights

Sometimes red-eyes make sense. Eastern (the original) used to offer late-night flights on their A-300's. They actually were cargo flights, with the hold full of cargo, and they sold seats to passengers who were not allowed to check any baggage, but they knocked a considerable percentage off the tick...

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by BostonBeau
Thu Dec 22, 2016 8:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA 2 scheduled stops in HNL
Replies: 56
Views: 8184

Re: UA 2 scheduled stops in HNL

Not sure why they are going to HNL for fuel. SIN-ANC-SFO is about 500 miles shorter than SIN-HNL-SFO.

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by BostonBeau
Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA's 777-200ER ULH flights
Replies: 60
Views: 14752

Re: UA's 777-200ER ULH flights

I don't know about United, but I understood that Pan Am's early New York-Tokyo B747 flights were filed as New York-Fairbanks, and then if the remaining fuel was sufficient when approaching Fairbanks, the flight plan was modified en route to New York-Tokyo.

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by BostonBeau
Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 25 years ago Pan Am went out business
Replies: 22
Views: 4042

Re: 25 years ago Pan Am went out business

Can anyone remember why Pan Am lost the Boston-London route? It had something to do with them never actually having a certificate for the route and someone finally noticed and made a fuss.

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by BostonBeau
Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Shuttle (BOS/NYC/DCA)
Replies: 13
Views: 3985

Re: The Shuttle (BOS/NYC/DCA)

I remember when the Eastern shuttle operated with Constellations and Electras, and cost SIX BUCKS! haha. Good way for Eastern to keep flying perfectly good prop planes that had been replaced by jets on longer routes.

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by BostonBeau
Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Replicate Keflavik's model in the Azores?
Replies: 37
Views: 7153

Re: Replicate Keflavik's model in the Azores?

KEF is almost exactly on the great circle route from the USA to Europe. PDL is not. A flight BOS-KEF-CDG is about 200 miles shorter than BOS-PDL-CDG. Maybe as someone suggested between the Caribbean/South America and Europe, but not North America-Europe.

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by BostonBeau
Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Buys Six MD-11(F)'s???
Replies: 28
Views: 13616

Re: Delta Buys Six MD-11(F)'s???

Maybe DHL, the cargo people?

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by BostonBeau
Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NYC to Cape Cod, why no service?
Replies: 24
Views: 3573

Re: NYC to Cape Cod, why no service?

I remember flying from ACK to HYA and then on to Boston on a Northeast DC-9. Between Nantucket and Hyannis, I doubt we got above 3000 feet. It was strange, because the plane was full from ACK to HYA, then almost everyone got off in HYA and there were only a few of us continuing to Boston.

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by BostonBeau
Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA aircraft on fire @ORD
Replies: 332
Views: 65530

Re: AA aircraft on fire @ORD

http://explorekyhistory.ky.gov/items/show/616
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I thought airlines "retired" flight numbers that had been involved in accidents. When looking for further news of the ORD incident today, I came across a previous AA383 accident in which a B727 crashed on approach to Cincinnati in 1965. http://explorekyhistory.ky.gov/items/show/616

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by BostonBeau
Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 5th Freedom LHR-JFK
Replies: 30
Views: 12160

Re: 5th Freedom LHR-JFK

Qantas advertised quite heavily on Boston radio in the 60's. I think it was intended to promote the JFK-LHR flight mostly, because the jingle contained the phrases "to Nairobi and the Nile, Qantas gets you there in style". I doubt anyone would route from the eastern USA to Nairobi or Cairo...

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by BostonBeau
Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Old Prop Airlines and Noise
Replies: 37
Views: 5965

Re: Old Prop Airlines and Noise

When I was a little kid, I'd go over to BOS to watch planes. I always loved when a Vickers Viscount would arrive/depart (I think they were on Northeast Airlines) because the engines (early turboprops I think) would literally SCREAM.

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by BostonBeau
Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: National Airlines routes that did not end in Florida
Replies: 28
Views: 3300

Re: National Airlines routes that did not end in Florida

I thought National was a very fun airline, but they always seemed to be on strike. I have heard that they made more money from the mutual aid fund than they did when operating, so they were never in a hurry to end a strike. Most of their Boston flights were to JFK, so I used it several times to make...

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by BostonBeau
Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Brussels Airlines to start serving fries and waffles
Replies: 18
Views: 5484

Re: Brussels Airlines to start serving fries and waffles

I wonder how they are going to keep them tasty on a plane? They can't have deep fryers on the plane (I would assume) and reheated in the oven fries aren't nearly as good. Belgian fries are so good when freshly prepared I can't imagine people liking them reheated. But I guess it's better than trail m...

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by BostonBeau
Tue Jun 14, 2016 10:19 pm
Forum: Site Related
Topic: New Site.
Replies: 453
Views: 30631

Re: New Site.

I don't like the fact that I can only see about 9 threads vertically on my monitor now with all the wasted space in between. With the old layout I could see probably 25-30. I agree. This is a very active message forum with people posting constantly 24/7. In this new format, we'll have to click thro...

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by BostonBeau
Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Saturday Only Flights
Replies: 37
Views: 10154

RE: Saturday Only Flights

A lot of hotels/resorts in vacation destinations in Mexico and the Caribbean pretty much sell only 1-week packages, so flights may only be in demand on the changeover day (invariably Saturday) at the resorts. One Saturday-only flight I never understood was the Trump Shuttle operating one flight a we...

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by BostonBeau
Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Diversions To Boston 05 June
Replies: 13
Views: 7384

RE: Diversions To Boston 05 June

Weather.com shows a severe thunderstorm watch in the NYC area....quite a long string of storms passing through.

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by BostonBeau
Tue May 31, 2016 8:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Turboprops Set For A Big U.S. Comeback?
Replies: 96
Views: 20385

RE: Turboprops Set For A Big U.S. Comeback?

I once took a Delta (Connection? Express?) Saab 340B from Boston to Washington National. It was one of my favorite flights. It didn't take any longer than a jet, and we were able to land on 15/33 instead of having to wait for the jet traffic heading for 1/19. Using the toilet on the Saab was a bit o...

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by BostonBeau
Sat May 28, 2016 1:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Same City Pairing, Different Route
Replies: 8
Views: 6201

RE: Same City Pairing, Different Route

I think maxholstemh1521 may have hit on it. In the olden days, not every aircraft was equipped with life jackets and life rafts if there was no likelihood of the plane regularly flying over water. That may still be true since it does save considerable weight. I remember flying to Miami from Boston o...

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by BostonBeau
Fri May 27, 2016 12:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Logic Of Ultra Short Haul Wide Body Flights
Replies: 33
Views: 14407

RE: Logic Of Ultra Short Haul Wide Body Flights

Eastern routinely used A-300's on the Shuttle <acronym title="Boston - General Edward Lawrence Logan International (BOS / KBOS), USA - Massachusetts">BOS</acronym>-<acronym title="New York - La Guardia (Glenn H Curtiss / North Beach / Municipal-La Guardia Field) (LGA / KLGA), USA - New York">LGA</ac...

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by BostonBeau
Fri May 20, 2016 7:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hawaiian's New A330 F/J Class Cabin Revealed!
Replies: 33
Views: 14450

RE: Hawaiian's New A330 F/J Class Cabin Revealed!

While I would not wish to go back to the turquoise, orange, and purple of the 1970's, this to me, is too plain. It reminds me of the furniture in my dentist's waiting room. As someone said...it's a Hawaiian airline...perhaps our most colorful state with the ocean blues, the mountain greens, the beau...

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by BostonBeau
Tue May 10, 2016 10:49 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Why Do Widebodies Fly Faster Than Narrowbodies?
Replies: 39
Views: 11254

RE: Why Do Widebodies Fly Faster Than Narrowbodies?

I am interested in how speeds are regulated on the North Atlantic tracks. Obviously some aircraft do have a higher high-altitude cruise speed than others, and I would assume that on a track, all the aircraft on the track would have to maintain the cruise speed of the <i>slowest</i> aircraft on the t...

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by BostonBeau
Mon May 09, 2016 12:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A 747 By Any Other Name
Replies: 23
Views: 6963

RE: A 747 By Any Other Name

I took my first trip on a B747-100 of TWA to London in 1970. The thing that impressed the most was the spaciousness. Those were the days of 9-abreast seating in economy (not 10) with 34 inch seat pitch and aisles wide enough to get around a service cart! There were lounges for economy passengers! Th...

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by BostonBeau
Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Could A 747SP Really Fly Further Than A 747-200?
Replies: 139
Views: 27735

RE: Could A 747SP Really Fly Further Than A 747-200?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/jfk777" class="quote" target="_blank">jfk777</a> (<a href="#7" class="quote">Reply 7</a>):<br/><i>There were 3 routes that PA flew where the 747...

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by BostonBeau
Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's In A Codeshare?
Replies: 26
Views: 5253

RE: What's In A Codeshare?

The thing about codeshares that annoys me the most, is the way some airports list all codeshare flights on their arrival/departure website, to the point where you can't easily find the actual flight you are looking for. Right now, the website for <acronym title="Boston - General Edward Lawrence Loga...

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by BostonBeau
Thu Mar 10, 2016 3:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why Did The Convair CV880 Not Sell Well?
Replies: 90
Views: 15925

RE: Why Did The Convair CV880 Not Sell Well?

TWA used to use 880's <acronym title="Boston - General Edward Lawrence Logan International (BOS / KBOS), USA - Massachusetts">BOS</acronym>-<acronym title="OLD: Denver - Stapleton International (DEN / KDEN) (closed), USA - Colorado AND CURRENT: Denver - International (DEN / KDEN), USA - Colorado">DE...

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by BostonBeau
Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Questions About Boeing 2707-300
Replies: 9
Views: 2479

RE: Questions About Boeing 2707-300

Eastern - 6

Just where in the heck were they planning to operate it?


On the Air-Shuttle, of course  

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by BostonBeau
Mon Dec 21, 2015 11:22 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Your Emptiest Flight?
Replies: 88
Views: 8225

RE: Your Emptiest Flight?

1972, TWA B747 red-eye <acronym title="Los Angeles - International (LAX / KLAX), USA - California">LAX</acronym>-<acronym title="Boston - General Edward Lawrence Logan International (BOS / KBOS), USA - Massachusetts">BOS</acronym>. More FAs than passengers  <img src="http://cdn-www.airliners.ne...

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by BostonBeau
Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Intercont Flights During The Constellation Days
Replies: 13
Views: 2934

RE: Intercont Flights During The Constellation Days

TWA offered a flight from BED (Hanscom Field/Air Force Base) near Boston to Shannon and Paris for a while. This was before TWA had domestic operations at Boston-Logan International (I believe Logan was being expanded at the time, so BED was used for the Paris flight). <a href="http://www.timetableim...

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