Why is it that people are looking to blame a single point of failure?
Plane crashes very rarely happen because of a single point of failure. The stars have to align in a bad way.
There will be more than enough blame in this incident to share around.
I was going to say designed for automation in the early/mid 80’s and designed for automation now are very different beasts.Jump to post
I love people on here who know what the NMA/MOM/797 is and whether this fictional plane is or isn’t a competitor to that fictional plane.
Jeez all of you lighten up!
What really is appaling in all this is in reading this article is that Southwest has an optional AOA Disagree warning light installed on their MAX and is enhancing it with incorporation of an AOA guage in the PFD. Then why didn't Lion Air order their MAX with at least the AOA Disagree warning light...Jump to post
I think they are still working hard on the cabin fit and this is a bottleneck. FAL seems to be a pretty robust process now.
VS could of course have BFE issues as the first example and I think there is a new seat.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/behind-boeings-decision-to-omit-details-on-safety-system-in-lion-air-crash-from-manual-1544025884 Some very interesting points which might point towards deliberate underplaying of MCAS to avoid simulator training. "Engineering, training and other experts inside Boe...Jump to post
Incorrect, the NCL skipper was dead-headed back to DXB the next day and is currently offline pending consequences. Thanks for the correction... what a draconian management decision. Welcome to ME3 and EK/QR are especially known to these treatments. Michae Crazy - what was he supposed to do? Go ahea...Jump to post
Isn't the engine requirements (50klbs) indicating a much bigger heavier capable frame - more indicative of just under the 330-200?Jump to post
Couple things: -Such a foolish thing to spout as Lion Air co-founder. Control your emotions/theatrics because this won't get you anywhere with Boeing, or Airbus for that matter. -Based on Lion Air's history, they are likely to damage A320's at the same rate. -So far Lion Air has not given me any re...Jump to post
Exactly - accidents are complex events caused by a mix of failures/issues.
Usually no one comes out blameless and like wise no one party normally takes all the blames.
It is far too early yet to apportion blame.
Meanwhile questions re CVR go unanswered and the "news" regarding its recovery is practically nil. Pages and pages of detailed analysis on this plane's systems but veritably nothing on underwater recovery of a CVR.... I am really not sure what you are expecting? No one here has obvious in...Jump to post
I find your comments quite insulting as I clearly do understand the system, and by the terms you are using you do not. In manual flight STS,MCAS, and Mach trim are all commanded control inputs, they are BY DESIGN addded by the autopilot even on a serviceable aircraft when the pilot is manually flyi...Jump to post
If you look at the trim relay diagram, you will see that the cutout switches kill the 28 volts from the circuit breaker which deactivates the 3 phase 120V 400 Hz relay to the trim motor circuit plus kills 28v to the pilots trim switches and other stuff. So you have killed the control voltage and th...Jump to post
this smells like desperation from airbus. no way a simple shrink or derate matches the efficiency of a clean sheet The A330NEO is said to have an advantage on shorter stage length. So why not? This isn't a shrink, that would be a foolish and expensive step. Derating engines should be very straight ...Jump to post
But you are correct that there isn't anything factually wrong in the article from blogger because there wasn't any facts really. There was a lot of speculation about the problems of the T1000 migrating to the Trent XWB because of one engine shut down. That's a much better take than just shooting do...Jump to post
The power of an individual blogger with no editorial review against a respected specialised journal.
Hardly equal sources really.
Thanks ferpe - great thoughts and why I read this forum - to learn.Jump to post
Olddog wrote:It is strange how the market is supposed to push for an other engine for Airbus planes and never for the Boeing ones according to you....
I read a report (can't find it now of course) that stated there was an addition new peice of automation which I think makes it harder and harder to pull back on the stick in such situations.Jump to post
About "Indonesia’s Lion Air plans to meet Boeing": "Looks like the crash is starting to "touch" Boeing." -- WIederling "It does sound like this is troubling for Boeing." -- StTim Perfect example on how humans can disagree while sharing the same facts. Now try...Jump to post
I understand that Boeing were due to brief airlines this week but that it was postponed and is now due some time next week.
I also saw comments on them trying to reassure their employees.
It does sound like this is troubling for Boeing.
Raked wingtips are covered by Boeing patents. The A350 / A330NEO sharklet is Airbus' response and produces comparable (and perhaps a little better) results. I do not believe that a trivial wing form can be patented, at least internationally. The invention threshold for a patent is quite high: you c...Jump to post
In theory, if the investigators can reach a satisfactory conclusion without the CVR, there is no real reason to look for it. That being said, I think that in this case, the search for the CVR will continue. I wonder if this might be an example of a crash where it’s in some people’s best interest if...Jump to post
Infographic of A338 's FF ..... :bigthumbsup: ..... https://airbus-h.assetsadobe2.com/is/image/content/dam/stock-and-creative/infographic/A330-800-First-Flight-Infographic.jpg?wid=3626&fit=constrain https://airbus-h.assetsadobe2.com/is/image/content/dam/stock-and-creative/infographic/A330-800-F...Jump to post
I am not sure that the key tanks will be removable making them hold more fuel for much less added weight. This is how they get the range.
Not to say it won’t still need one or maybe two ACT for max range.
bspc wrote:StTim wrote:Is this the first LR for any airline?
Yes it is. Delivery Flight happened today - https://a320archive.com/msn/8517
You can bet that had this been an A321neo or CSeries they would have been grounded by the FAA faster than it took me to write this. And the crew would have been deemed valiant heroes, 100% blame on the manufacturer. Here it is illiterate monkey crew and Boeing Uber Alles. Cry me a river. I'm rootin...Jump to post
juliuswong wrote:Oh no, does this actually mean Boeing pushed a product into the market without proper training procedures being put in place (operating manual)?? Too early to conclude?
Is this the first LR for any airline?
It will be interesting to see the routes they get used on and how often the LR is actually required.
Is this not similar to the 797 that Boeing is pushing? Of course on the basis that it is a twin aisle.Jump to post
They did the best they could do. The OP is straight from the pages of a tabloid newspaper. Hear hear. BA staff to sensible decisions at each step both for them and the passengers. That then another issue happened could not have been foreseen. Race to the bottom is a stupid phrase to use for a one o...Jump to post
Surely 10Y on the 777X will be different to 10Y on the A380, and not in a good way? The 777X is supposed to have a wider cabin footprint. Does anyone know if Boeing will make this available as a retrofit for current 777 models? Might be interest by carriers with newer 777W fleets when it's time for...Jump to post
CRJ900 wrote:Why is FR closing EIN? I thought it was their biggest base in the Netherlands and the biggest reason why EIN is the second largest airport in the Netherlands. Are yields too low?
I thought that Boeing had zero deferred production costs on the 747-8 because of a write off earlier. But that was false. They still have $1.3B on the 747-8. Who knew??? https://www.businessinsider.com/r-sec-probes-boeings-accounting-of-dreamliner-747-bloomberg-2016-2 Boeing recognized that their p...Jump to post
They delivered 100 in December last year according to.
He should have been thrown off and left to his own devices to get home. Awful inaction by the Ryanair crew.Jump to post