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by Iemand91
Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Retrojet no more
Replies: 6
Views: 2134

Re: KLM Retrojet no more

I even heard some rumours that they might turn the idea around. Instead of a new aircraft in old colors, it's said they'll be operating an old aircraft in new colors. This could possibly be the DC-3 of the Dutch Dakota Association. Again, it's just rumours but it would be cool I think. Icelandair h...

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by Iemand91
Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM to introduce JAMCO Business Class Seats on the Boeing 787-10
Replies: 24
Views: 6786

Re: KLM to introduce JAMCO Business Class Seats on the Boeing 787-10

frigatebird wrote:
I have to correct you on the A330 though, KL did add an A332 after their first A333s, I believe it was the former KC45 demonstrator.

Yep, you're correct. Got delivered to KLM after 4 out of 5 A333 were already delivered.

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by Iemand91
Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM to introduce JAMCO Business Class Seats on the Boeing 787-10
Replies: 24
Views: 6786

Re: KLM to introduce JAMCO Business Class Seats on the Boeing 787-10

Hehe, I remember the first flight of KL's 787 passing just over my house at 2000ft, amazing! To me, the flight was pretty sh*t actually, got booked on the middle seats between the wings with my dad. (Also his 2nd ever flight). We couldn't see anything. :mad: Our 1st flight was much better; the last...

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by Iemand91
Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM to introduce JAMCO Business Class Seats on the Boeing 787-10
Replies: 24
Views: 6786

Re: KLM to introduce JAMCO Business Class Seats on the Boeing 787-10

Only 1 787-9 left to be delivered, this August. Oh wow, I couldn’t sworn it was only yesterday that KLM started getting their 789s delivered! I know. There was much hype about it. Highlight for myself as well; my 2nd ever flight was on the 3rd welcome flight on November 22, 2015. Since AF/KLM alrea...

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by Iemand91
Wed Apr 11, 2018 11:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM to introduce JAMCO Business Class Seats on the Boeing 787-10
Replies: 24
Views: 6786

Re: KLM to introduce JAMCO Business Class Seats on the Boeing 787-10

Any news of remaining 787-9 deliveries coming in with this seat too? Only 1 787-9 left to be delivered, this August. From then on, it's only 787-10's left, 8 in total. The -9 won't have the new seats. @DexSwart: where did you see reverse herringbone? I can not seem to find it... These seats are rev...

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by Iemand91
Sun Mar 25, 2018 12:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

PH-BFV operating the very last KLM 747 flight to Houston: https://farm1.staticflickr.com/802/40993745631_a90d4bde7c_b.jpg Last KLM 747 @ IAH by Jorge A. Zajia , on Flickr In the background the Atlas Air 747, next Wednesday is the last flight to Luanda from Houston: https://farm1.staticflickr.com/787...

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by Iemand91
Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

At the moment; PH-BFV " City of Vancouver " is at George Bush Intercontinental Airport She's the last KLM 747 to visit Houston. She wil depart Houston with horses in the back at 16:35 local time, arriving at Amsterdam at 07:35 the next day. A 777-200ER will fly to Houston on Saturday, star...

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by Iemand91
Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 747 at FLL
Replies: 9
Views: 2123

Re: 747 at FLL

https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4795/40934948671_77b1a24e67_b.jpg https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/812/40934946981_7c7de9037c_b.jpg Royal Flight's annual visit, returning to Dubai from LAX. This stop to pick up 20 horses and 45,000 gallons of fuel. This aircraft is the only one of their five 744s outfit...

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by Iemand91
Tue Mar 20, 2018 10:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 747 at FLL
Replies: 9
Views: 2123

Re: 747 at FLL

Dubai Airwing 747-400F https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DUB8 This. Flightradar24 showed a 747-412F going from LAX to FLL. -412F is Singapore or ex-Singapore aircraft. Searching through Singapore Airlines Cargo planespotters lists shows Dubai Air Wing / Royal Flight A6-GGP (ex Singapore 9V-SFH); ...

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by Iemand91
Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Would KLM'S three 744 freighters have projected retirement dates as well? They have more recent delivery dates within 15 or so years so maybe they'll go way into the 200K before sold or parked? AF/KLM has not made a public statement about retirement dates for the 4 freighters. In July last year; AF...

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by Iemand91
Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

So, now this bird is gone it makes me wonder, is this aircraft really the all time recordholder for flight hours? Or just civil? Also, any chance it will ever be surpassed? It seems aircraft are discarded much sooner these days. And why KLM? They seem to have a lot of high hrs 747. Apparently it ma...

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by Iemand91
Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8QScGnGGlI

Interesting note: the captain of this flight was Walter Vuurboom.
He was one of the 2 co-pilots in 1989 on flight KL867 that flew into a thick cloud of volcanic ash of Mount Redoubt.
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Great video of PH-BFC leaving Amsterdam for the very last time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8QScGnGGlI

Interesting note: the captain of this flight was Walter Vuurboom.
He was one of the 2 co-pilots in 1989 on flight KL867 that flew into a thick cloud of volcanic ash of Mount Redoubt.

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by Iemand91
Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Strange as I would thought that KLM would remove the logos and banner on BFC before sending her to the axeman The 747's that are send to Teruel are still owned by KLM. A lot of parts are finding their way back to Schiphol. The 747's that are send to other places (Melbourne, Twente, and Mojave) are ...

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by Iemand91
Sat Mar 10, 2018 9:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Now the original 22 strong KLM 747-400 fleet is down to 12. City of Atlanta is going to Teruel, Spain next week... At this point; this PH-BFC is likely the new record holder of any jet airliner for most flight hours with at least 141.000 flying hours! Atlanta has been in Teruel for some time, no? N...

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by Iemand91
Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

And she's done. Leaving Amsterdam for Hong Kong, Yesterday evening: https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/28616405_1777185688978495_9171405199446075674_o.jpg?oh=1e0032c1e0fa918c69d63aadcd9d8a44&oe=5B4B871F Source: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1777185688978495&set=gm.15935...

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by Iemand91
Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran Air 747SP's getting scrapped
Replies: 23
Views: 7613

Re: Iran Air 747SP's getting scrapped

3 out of 4 Iran Air 747SP's (EP-IAA, -IAB and -IAD) are parked at THR airport, will be scrapped soon: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXdaQARX4AUUTf1.jpg EP-IAC is stored at IKA airport. I'm hearing different stories about her. One says she'll be scrapped at IKA, others say she will be brought back into...

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by Iemand91
Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

https://www.flightradar24.com/KLM888/10a801e9
Hong Kong to Amsterdam, arrival a 19:14.
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PH-BFC is on her very last commercial flight: https://www.flightradar24.com/KLM888/10a801e9
Hong Kong to Amsterdam, arrival a 19:14.

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by Iemand91
Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran Air 747SP's getting scrapped
Replies: 23
Views: 7613

Re: Iran Air 747SP's getting scrapped

Two historic Boeing 727-286Cs of #IranAir (EP-IRS & EP-IRT) were transferred from the airline's apron to #IACI ramp to be scrapped beside the Boeing 747SPs in incoming days. All of #IranAir's airplanes procured before #Iran's Islamic Revolution 1979 are planned to be scrapped. https://twitter.c...

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by Iemand91
Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Meanwhile; PH-BFW has returned to Xiamen for a C-check a week ago. She was there in 2016 for a D-check. The Chinese did a touch up of the paintjob too. Before: https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4540/38365877202_f2381591b6_b.jpg KLM B747 by Ramon Kok , on Flickr Now: https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...

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by Iemand91
Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

PH-BFC gets another flight. At the moment she's about an hour away from landing at Los Angeles. Back at Schiphol in the morning of March 7th. Then a flight to Mexico-City, back to Amsterdam in the afternoon of March 8th. That night she goes to Hong Kong with arrival back in Amsterdam on the evening ...

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by Iemand91
Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Assuming that March 7th is still the last day of ops for PH-BFC? If so does anyone happen to know what it's final scheduled flight will be? At this moment she's on her way as KL856 to Amsterdam from Seoul. Scheduled landing on 05/02 Monday/tomorrow at 04:12. Then KL661 to Houston, departing Amsterd...

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by Iemand91
Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran Air 747SP's getting scrapped
Replies: 23
Views: 7613

Re: Iran Air 747SP's getting scrapped

Some more:

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by Iemand91
Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iran Air 747SP's getting scrapped
Replies: 23
Views: 7613

Iran Air 747SP's getting scrapped

According to these tweets; several Iran Air classic aircraft will be scrapped within the next 3 months including the 4 Boeing 747SP's. https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/968605036619223040 Of course; those beauties had no nice future in store for them, but this is quite harsh to a 747 lover li...

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by Iemand91
Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 747 to AMS-Hotel
Replies: 7
Views: 2278

Re: Boeing 747 to AMS-Hotel

It's said to be ex-Transaero 747-300's, so it will be one of these 2. VP-BGX or VP-BGY, both stored at Bruntingthorpe since late 2012. Both started their career at Japan Airlines. http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/9/2/0/4562029.jpg?v=v49713e93b13 Source The transportation of the plane wi...

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by Iemand91
Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Well, there's a chance a full KLM 747-400 will stay in the Netherlands. There's construction going on in the old Sony and AirHolland buildings in Amsterdam, it will become the Corendon Village Hotel and with 677 rooms it will become the biggest hotel in the Benelux. And apparently they're talking w...

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by Iemand91
Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Where does China Southern Airlines fly their A380s?
Replies: 29
Views: 6407

Re: Where does China Southern Airlines fly their A380s?

Iemand91 wrote:
A Dutch aviation website (luchtvaartnieuws.nl) stated they will likely return to Amsterdam with the A380 in the Summer of 2018,
just like they did in the Summer of 2015 and 2016.

Looks like the A380 is returning to Amsterdam between July 10 and October 8.

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by Iemand91
Mon Feb 19, 2018 2:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Yes, as 747classic has stated, from October 28 the flights to Curacao will be flown with the 777-300ER. As for why? Who knows. As you can see -BFB will be phased out in November and that's a full-pax 747. Maybe they need the Curacao 747's for a different route? Also, another staple KLM 747 destinat...

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by Iemand91
Mon Feb 19, 2018 1:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Yes, as 747classic has stated, from October 28 the flights to Curaçao will be flown with the 777-300ER. As for why? Who knows. As you can see -BFB will be phased out in November and that's a full-pax 747. Maybe they need the Curaçao 747's for a different route? Also, another staple KLM 747 destinati...

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by Iemand91
Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM 747 fleet
Replies: 12
Views: 2213

Re: KLM 747 fleet

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=597241
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I keep track of every thing KLM 747 here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=597241

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by Iemand91
Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AMS gets ready to build new A-concourse
Replies: 19
Views: 4214

Re: AMS gets ready to build new A-concourse

Nice and indeed totally different compared to the design of all the other piers, even though most of them are pretty outdated in exterior appearance/design. Are there any drawings of this new pier. I now only see in which area this new pier will be built but don't see how this new pier will look li...

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by Iemand91
Wed Jan 31, 2018 1:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM cargo operations
Replies: 7
Views: 1637

Re: KLM cargo operations

AF phased out about 4 747-400ERF's, KLM got rid of their newest 747-400F and Martinair all of their 7 MD-11F's in a time period of about 3 years. That's a loss of 11 full freighter planes. Around the time the last Martinair MD-11F departed, KLM also started the phase-out of the 747-400(M) fleet; sta...

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by Iemand91
Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

I noticed that PH-BFC is still operating and she is en route AMS-ORD today as the KL611. Fantastic to see her soldiering on and wondering how much time has she got left? Meanwhile thank you for posts regarding city name location inside the KLM 747 aircraft. She's scheduled to leave the fleet in a m...

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by Iemand91
Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

So, how many hours at the last count? Looks like she clocked a total of 140.213 flying hours. That's an average of 13.7 hours per day since the day she was delivered to KLM. So she surpassed the previous record holder PH-BFD that had 137.735 hours, but -BFF is not the current record holder; -BFC ha...

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by Iemand91
Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Her final flight has been postponed a couple of times, but now it's really over. PH-BFF City of Freetown spends her final night at Amsterdam Schiphol Airport. Scheduled departure time tomorrow is 11:30, arrival at Twente 12:25, but could end up a bit earlier. There she'll join her sister PH-BFR and ...

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by Iemand91
Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:13 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Andrew Fisher: Fastest circumnavigation by scheduled flights
Replies: 2
Views: 729

Re: Andrew Fisher: Fastest circumnavigation by scheduled flights

https://twitter.com/AndrewFisherNZ/stat ... 0021758976

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52 hours 34 mins :-) new world record

https://twitter.com/AndrewFisherNZ/stat ... 0021758976

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by Iemand91
Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A330 and A340 write off - retirement - scrapping thread - 2018
Replies: 115
Views: 24072

Re: A340 To be scrapped

The second AF A340-300 F-GLZR arrived this afternoon: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUJt_T9X0AEU0Es.jpg:large https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/sites/default/files/website_633x300/slider-airlines/air_france_a343_c_aels_1280.jpg KLM's 747-400 PH-BFR visible on the left: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUKnCm...

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by Iemand91
Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:21 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Andrew Fisher: Fastest circumnavigation by scheduled flights
Replies: 2
Views: 729

Andrew Fisher: Fastest circumnavigation by scheduled flights

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT_yQVsVAAECpAb.jpg (At Shanghai, the starting point) At this moment Etihad Vice President Fleet Planning Andrew Fisher is in an China Eastern Airbus A330-200 (B-5968), just pushed back from the gate at Amsterdam for his flight to Shanghai. https://www.flightradar24.com/...

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by Iemand91
Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

I noticed that PH-BFC is still operating and she is en route AMS-ORD today as the KL611. Fantastic to see her soldiering on and wondering how much time has she got left? Meanwhile thank you for posts regarding city name location inside the KLM 747 aircraft. She's scheduled to leave the fleet in a m...

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by Iemand91
Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A330 and A340 write off - retirement - scrapping thread - 2018
Replies: 115
Views: 24072

Re: A340 To be scrapped

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... /#102c134f

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The first AF A340-300 F-GLZI arrived today.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... /#102c134f

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by Iemand91
Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A330 and A340 write off - retirement - scrapping thread - 2018
Replies: 115
Views: 24072

Re: A340 To be scrapped

viewtopic.php?p=20100855#p20100855
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notaxonrotax wrote:
Any more pics you of Rio de Janeiro, please?

Nice to see that the work is picking up for Twente!


No Tax On Rotax

Not my photo, found it online. But if I find more; I'll probably post them here: viewtopic.php?p=20100855#p20100855

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by Iemand91
Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM retro 737 repainted
Replies: 27
Views: 4928

Re: KLM retro 737 repainted

This would look sweeeet :bigthumbsup: : https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26756768_1430311913762389_1752398275842371838_o.jpg?oh=f0ffb6ea7bb1fd60527817bde2be268f&oe=5AF69496 https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/26850721_1430162337110680_7864152062776441852_o.jpg?oh=b872dc6...

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by Iemand91
Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Is there anything in the cabin of the 747 that shows the city name of the aircraft? If so is it visible to all passengers as I may have an opportunity to travel soon. If I do go I would like to photograph the name as a souvenir of my trip. Any information would be appreciated. If you happen to trav...

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by Iemand91
Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Looks like -BFO to me. And -BFA or -BFP visible on the right. (I'm not quite sure yet). I think it's -BFA.

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by Iemand91
Tue Jan 16, 2018 12:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM retro 737 repainted
Replies: 27
Views: 4928

Re: KLM retro 737 repainted

To bad, I quite liked it. So KLM, this livery on one of your 747-400's next year for the 100th anniversary? :scratchchin: http://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/1/8/1/0350181.jpg?v=v40 http://www.airliners.net/photo/KLM-Royal-Dutch-Airlines/Boeing-747-206B/350181?qsp=eJwtjEEKwkAMRe%2BStS6K4KI...

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by Iemand91
Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A330 and A340 write off - retirement - scrapping thread - 2018
Replies: 115
Views: 24072

Re: A340 To be scrapped

It's getting crowded in Twente: AELS “taking off” at Twente Airport AELS will welcome 3 aircraft at Twente Airport in January for disassembly, one Boeing 747 and two Airbus A340s. Air France will fly two A340-300s, one on the 19th and the other on the 22nd to AELS. The former KLM aircraft PH-BFF wil...

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by Iemand91
Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:05 pm
Forum: Aviation Photography
Topic: You Ever Shot A Bird Later Involved In An Accident
Replies: 49
Views: 10249

Re: You Ever Shot A Bird Later Involved In An Accident

I shot these 3 photos (and several more of this aircraft), at July 5, 2016. ACT Airlines Boeing 747-400F TC-MCL operating for Turkish Airlines at the time since 6 months. It crashed 6 months later at Manas Airport in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan operating as Turkish Airlines Flight 6491 https://aviation-safe...

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by Iemand91
Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

I have that same number for -BFC and the same source stated 140.929 hours for -BFC. :faint: Oops, I meant to say: "I have that same number for -BFF and the same source stated 140.929 hours for -BFC." I wish I could change it, but this forum won't allow me to edit the post... So at the mom...

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by Iemand91
Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 413
Views: 145313

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

It seems that PH-BFF is the current 747 recordholder : 2017-12-25 : 140.213 hours, but no info received about PH-BFC (probably slightly more). . I have that same number for -BFC and the same source stated 140.929 hours for -BFC. It seems that PH-BFF is the current 747 recordholder : 2017-12-25 : 14...

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