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by fsabo
Sat Feb 24, 2018 6:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EK warns the US against Open Skies renegotiation, threatens 777X order
Replies: 105
Views: 15239

Re: EK warns the US against Open Skies renegotiation, threatens 777X order

The 787 are still a MoU, no need to cancel, just do not firm. I think EK will take the 781 no matter what. They chose it vs the A350 because the A350 is too capable for that role. Some people here argue that the A351 cannot work in the role of the 779. I think that argument is wrong. Field performa...

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by fsabo
Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EK warns the US against Open Skies renegotiation, threatens 777X order
Replies: 105
Views: 15239

Re: EK warns the US against Open Skies renegotiation, threatens 777X order

If I read post article between the lines I would guess it is hitting at 777X would no more fit the operation in case a domino effect of renegotiations took effect as article says: such a move would need to be followed by similar steps taken with regard to Asian and European agreements. my guess tha...

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by fsabo
Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EK warns the US against Open Skies renegotiation, threatens 777X order
Replies: 105
Views: 15239

Re: EK warns the US against Open Skies renegotiation, threatens 777X order

Airbus would pull out all the stops if it got to the point where Emirates would cancel the 777X. It would also give leverage for an A380neo. I imagine Emirates would keep the 787-10 order then order majority A35K and some A359ULR like mentioned above. Probably won't come to that though. I think tha...

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by fsabo
Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EK warns the US against Open Skies renegotiation, threatens 777X order
Replies: 105
Views: 15239

Re: EK warns the US against Open Skies renegotiation, threatens 777X order

Last but not least, Tim Clark added it may reconsider its 777X order if the Open Skies agreement gets altered: The Emirates boss also warned that should the Open Skies pact with the US be scrapped or renegotiated, the carrier may be forced to reconsider its orders with Boeing (BOE, Chicago O'Hare) ...

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by fsabo
Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lets say Airbus kill the A330neo...
Replies: 109
Views: 13863

Re: Lets say Airbus kill the A330neo...

The A339 will certainly get built, no question about it. Actually, the first production aircraft are already rolling off the assembly line. Of course, Airbus does not suggest A339 is a MOM aircraft, it clearly pitches the A338 for that role, hence Boeing targets the latter. Yes, of course the A339 ...

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by fsabo
Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320neo Family Production/Delivery Thread 2018
Replies: 128
Views: 38140

Re: Airbus A320neo Family Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Meanwhile at the CFM front: And the alternative supplier, CFM International, is so behind on deliveries that Enders personally brought the matter to the attention of leadership of CFM International joint-venture partners General Electric (GE) and Safran. ... The Airbus CEO also makes clear that Pra...

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by fsabo
Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320neo Family Production/Delivery Thread 2018
Replies: 128
Views: 38140

Re: Airbus A320neo Family Production/Delivery Thread 2018

PW1100G deliveries will restart in March. @prattandwhitney says Airbus A320neo GTF engine deliveries to resume in early March by going back to earlier seal design https://twitter.com/R_Wall/status/966304328624623617 Ha, i brought up the possibility of reverting to the old design while taking their ...

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by fsabo
Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A330-800 out, B787-9 in at Hawaiian? -Leeham
Replies: 426
Views: 47834

Re: A330-800 out, B787-9 in at Hawaiian? -Leeham

If they sold the 789 at 100 million or so, isn't it amazing that it cost around the same as a A321Neo? ...boggles the mind to see those margins ...one is huge and the other is microscopical... only for the sake of killing the 338.... wonder why... Best Regards TRB They tried to kill the C series. T...

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by fsabo
Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: British Airways Cabin Crew Behaving Very Badly During Layovers
Replies: 69
Views: 13111

Re: British Airways Cabin Crew Behaving Very Badly During Layovers

BA probably have costed it all out , recruit cheap , go for churn and turnover avoid the seniority dragons - no point paying more It is not just about the salary. Brits who behave well at home and wait in queues sometimes become completely different when they leave the UK. It is a jekel and hide th...

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by fsabo
Sat Feb 17, 2018 6:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus stops accepting PW1100G engines
Replies: 206
Views: 39003

Re: Airbus stops accepting PW1100G engines

The engine manufacturer has also committed to deliver the (fi)rst engines incorporating a (fi)x in April. That likely means GTF-powered A320neo deliveries will be halted for more than two months. Thank you for the info, zeke . I went to their web site and unfortunately it does not have the same art...

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by fsabo
Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus stops accepting PW1100G engines
Replies: 206
Views: 39003

Re: Airbus stops accepting PW1100G engines

A fix in April, that’s a gut feel, finger in the wind promise their Engineers cannot keep. It will take a few weeks to model it. 20 days to run the 3D stress analysis, then make tooling, make it , measure it. Test it, that must be a fuk that moment, takes too long. Even in panic mode 4-6 months is ...

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by fsabo
Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus stops accepting PW1100G engines
Replies: 206
Views: 39003

Re: Airbus stops accepting PW1100G engines

Bad news, the fix may take 6 months or more before production can resume - Hong Kong Express Airways Ltd expects at least a six-month delay in deliveries of new Airbus SE AIR.SE A320neo jets due to issues with engines made by Pratt & Whitney, according to an internal memo issued by the airline....

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by fsabo
Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus stops accepting PW1100G engines
Replies: 206
Views: 39003

Re: Airbus stops accepting PW1100G engines

Is it legitimate to ask of double digit engine improvements may be inappropriate, and decreasing safety? Efficiency, Reliability and Safety may be a classic tradeoff sort of problem. The industry may be asking too much from engines and their manufacturers. I don't think it is too much to ask, but t...

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by fsabo
Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus stops accepting PW1100G engines
Replies: 206
Views: 39003

Re: Airbus stops accepting PW1100G engines

From what I understand all the engines that are affected are the ones with the new 'final' fix for the bearing seal. It was this fix that has gone wrong. Now Pratt will have to re-do what was supposed to fix a previous problem. If what you write is true, it's a terrible situation to be in. The firs...

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by fsabo
Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus stops accepting PW1100G engines
Replies: 206
Views: 39003

Re: Airbus stops accepting PW1100G engines

Why will CFM be the ideal short haul motor. I would think the opposite. Same reason it is today. Lower maintenance costs promised, and fuel burn isn't such a precise science over shorthaul as it is over oceans. The CFM56 burns a bit more fuel than the V2500. The CFM56 gives back in time on wing and...

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by fsabo
Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus stops accepting PW1100G engines
Replies: 206
Views: 39003

Re: Airbus stops accepting PW1100G engines

My question: How on earth did this engine get ETOPS certified with its downright lousy reliability? Given the fact that only some engines of a specific batch are affected suggests P&W changed some components after ETOPS certification. If it was a change in the manufacturing process of some spec...

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by fsabo
Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus stops accepting PW1100G engines
Replies: 206
Views: 39003

Re: Airbus stops accepting PW1100G engines

Guess what kiddies? Airlines kept the faith, compensation got paid, and it all worked out in the end because engineers were not hysterical chicken little types. Airlines equally can't walk out of contracts free and clear because their neighbour is having issues with their engines so CFM won't be ge...

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by fsabo
Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:03 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: PW1100G aft hub modification failure
Replies: 53
Views: 4595

Re: More A320Neo GTF problems

Per Flightglobal https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/in-flight-failures-prompt-emergency-call-for-pw-pow-445789/ Only a handful engines are affected. Sound more like a manufacturing issue of some components than a design issue. I am assuming the knife edge seal is not the redesigned seal. Is...

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by fsabo
Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 1st A330-800 emerges from the paint shop
Replies: 145
Views: 32880

Re: 1st A330-800 emerges from the paint shop

While AirAsia CEO says that the 339 performs better then expected, I would like to know what this means for the 338 ;-) about the same. Relation between A332 and A333 is very well known. But afaics this is about Boeing having tried to place a bee under Fernandez bonnet so to speak. For what else wo...

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by fsabo
Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Ethiopian Airlines to order 10-20 B777X
Replies: 45
Views: 8504

Re: Ethiopian Airlines to order 10-20 B777X

A350-1000 : MTOW 308T, engines 2 x 97 000lb, wing area 445sqm B778 : MTOW 352T, engines 2X 105 000lb, wing area 480sqm (?). So the B778 has 14.3% more TOW, over a 7.9% larger wing, driven by 8.2% more powerful engines. Not a significant difference ! So 778 has 8% bigger wing, 8% more thrust, but 14...

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by fsabo
Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Ethiopian Airlines to order 10-20 B777X
Replies: 45
Views: 8504

Re: Ethiopian Airlines to order 10-20 B777X

A350-1000 : MTOW 308T, engines 2 x 97 000lb, wing area 445sqm B778 : MTOW 352T, engines 2X 105 000lb, wing area 480sqm (?). So the B778 has 14.3% more TOW, over a 7.9% larger wing, driven by 8.2% more powerful engines. Not a significant difference ! So 778 has 8% bigger wing, 8% more thrust, but 14...

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by fsabo
Thu Feb 08, 2018 4:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Ethiopian Airlines to order 10-20 B777X
Replies: 45
Views: 8504

Re: Ethiopian Airlines to order 10-20 B777X

ET’s hot and high requirements generally means it works out better to select the aircraft best optimized for the mission rather than sticking to aircraft families (as stretched aircraft generally have worse field performance). The 778, for example, would probably out perform the A350-1000 from ADD ...

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by fsabo
Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: Ethiopian Airlines to order 10-20 B777X
Replies: 45
Views: 8504

Re: Ethiopian Airlines to order 10-20 B777X

ET’s hot and high requirements generally means it works out better to select the aircraft best optimized for the mission rather than sticking to aircraft families (as stretched aircraft generally have worse field performance). The 778, for example, would probably out perform the A350-1000 from ADD ...

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by fsabo
Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Asia may swap entire a330neo order to a350
Replies: 148
Views: 27556

Re: Air Asia may swap entire a330neo order to a350

Even though Boeing would have offered them some early 787 slots. Same for an A350 solution, Airbus would have worked with them, but there are simple not as many available slots as for the A330neo. The A330neo is still the best solution for AirAsia to grow as fast as they want. The lease of 2nd hand...

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by fsabo
Mon Feb 05, 2018 12:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing officially forms program office to flesh out 797 plans
Replies: 1159
Views: 197396

Re: Boeing officially forms program office to flesh out 797 plans

Gearing aero engines to slow the cold front end is not new at all.If fact gearing fans is not even new.Williams did it ages ago if I am not mistaken.P&W worked with RR about 20 years ago on it as well.No one can patent planetary gears. What GE have developed is mighty good.The pressures and tem...

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by fsabo
Mon Feb 05, 2018 11:43 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: 777X. Will it fall if the wing folds?
Replies: 87
Views: 7314

Re: 777X. Will it fall if the wing folds?

Do you test for a gear down even at cruise speed? Or un-commanded spoiler deployment? The mechanism is fail safe, because it needs to power to fold, without the wingtip locks in the extended position. 747 needs power to actuate the cargo door locking mechanism. Yet, you had one instance of uncomman...

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by fsabo
Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:55 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: 777X. Will it fall if the wing folds?
Replies: 87
Views: 7314

Re: 777X. Will it fall if the wing folds?

Do you test for a gear down even at cruise speed? Or un-commanded spoiler deployment? The mechanism is fail safe, because it needs to power to fold, without the wingtip locks in the extended position. 747 needs power to actuate the cargo door locking mechanism. Yet, you had one instance of uncomman...

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by fsabo
Fri Feb 02, 2018 8:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aeroflot orders 50 Irkut MC-21 through leases
Replies: 35
Views: 5145

Re: Aeroflot orders 50 Irkut MC-21 through leases

As a state-owned airline Aeroflot is largely influenced by the general import-replacement tone of the government. Thus it has to operate SSJs and MC-21s. The management , on the other hand, opts for western aircraft. Thus it is very unlikely that Aeroflot will operate more MC-21 than A320neo/737MAX...

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by fsabo
Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 737 MAX 8 fuel burn meeting expectations
Replies: 17
Views: 4866

Re: 737 MAX 8 fuel burn meeting expectations

Haven't seen this posted yet, but Southwest reports 737 MAX 8 fuel burn is meeting expectations at 14% below the 737-800. This is the first public mention I know of regarding the LEAP-1B performance in service. After initial reports of a 5% shortfall during development, it seems CFM was able to clo...

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by fsabo
Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 737 MAX 8 fuel burn meeting expectations
Replies: 17
Views: 4866

Re: 737 MAX 8 fuel burn meeting expectations

Haven't seen this posted yet, but Southwest reports 737 MAX 8 fuel burn is meeting expectations at 14% below the 737-800. This is the first public mention I know of regarding the LEAP-1B performance in service. After initial reports of a 5% shortfall during development, it seems CFM was able to clo...

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by fsabo
Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A321Neo flying KEF- LAX
Replies: 104
Views: 20147

Re: A321Neo flying KEF- LAX

Impressive for the A321 but no way in hell would I want to be on a narrow body for that long if I have neighbors sitting next to me. Sorry that is an absurd comment, the seats on an A321 are visibly wider than a 10-abreast 777 or 9-abreast 787, and the same as a 747, A330/340 or A380. The only diff...

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by fsabo
Sun Jan 28, 2018 1:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018
Replies: 84
Views: 20845

Re: CSeries Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Now that SWISS, airBaltic and Korean are flying the CSeries, does anyone have an idea which will be the next airline to fly the CSeries, and when? Originally, I suppose, it was going to be Delta, but Delta is delayed until later this year when the plane will be produced in the States. Now there is ...

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by fsabo
Sat Jan 27, 2018 12:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Bombardier Wins C-Series Case at ITC
Replies: 356
Views: 38589

Re: Bombardier Wins C-Series Case at ITC

Well that’s unexpected. Does Bombardier regret the sale of the CSeries to Airbus now given that there won’t be any tarifs or was it still the right move? I think it was definitely the right move. BBD was struggling to manufacture it and airlines were not in a rush to buy a plane when its maker's ab...

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by fsabo
Sat Jan 27, 2018 11:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread 2018
Replies: 372
Views: 120321

Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread 2018

QR will only take 4 A350-1000 this year. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-qatar-airways-airbus-a350/qatar-airways-first-airbus-a350-1000-to-be-delivered-feb-15-20-ceo-idUSKBN1FG07G Four :hissyfit: Going with our (unofficial) production list from https://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbproduction/pro...

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by fsabo
Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A321Neo flying KEF- LAX
Replies: 104
Views: 20147

Re: A321Neo flying KEF- LAX

airbazar wrote:
There's already another thread talking about this. I believe the aircraft is limited to 150pax.


Consider that the bleed on the 1A is pinned open causing 5 to 6 percent fuel burn penalty.

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by fsabo
Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A321Neo flying KEF- LAX
Replies: 104
Views: 20147

Re: A321Neo flying KEF- LAX

DocLightning wrote:
I just want to point out that the A321 can't possibly do 752 routes.

I read it on A.net so it must be true. ;)


But how much fish can it haul?

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by fsabo
Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PAL announces A321neo routes, up to 8 hours to Australia
Replies: 65
Views: 11534

Re: PAL announces A321neo routes, up to 8 hours to Australia

Why the hatred of long range narrowbodies? That is how long haul travel started! (comet, 707, and DC-8). I *really* dislike double hubbing (aka bridge hubbing). The time such connections take are exhausting. Get me to my destination those few hours earlier and let me sleep in a real, static, and pr...

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by fsabo
Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Emirates firms up order for up to 36 additional A380s
Replies: 494
Views: 58078

Re: Emirates signs a commitment for 36 additional A380's

Airbus hade One goal. Keep A380 in production 10 years. In 2027 the market for bigger airplanes will have increased. Many 747 and current A380s is up for replacement. Neo with a new more efficient RR engine is available. With a stretch and wing extensions perhaps it will be 20% more efficient then ...

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by fsabo
Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737 MAX 10 vs Airbus A321neo analysis
Replies: 221
Views: 52984

Re: Boeing 737 MAX 10 vs Airbus A321neo analysis

My own opinion, based on the data that I have seen is that the MAX-10 has up-to a couple of % advantage on short missions and that the 321neo has up-to 5% advantage on longer missions. But let's just go with the opinion of the article in the opening post, that the operating economics are very simil...

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by fsabo
Sat Jan 20, 2018 6:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737 MAX 10 vs Airbus A321neo analysis
Replies: 221
Views: 52984

Re: Boeing 737 MAX 10 vs Airbus A321neo analysis

IMO the A321 will still be the better plane, if only because of its greater flexibility. The economy of the planes is even, but the A321 has more range at that efficiency, maybe resulting in something like 65:35 split (slightly more in favour of Airbus than at A320/738 segment which has been at 58:...

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by fsabo
Fri Jan 19, 2018 8:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PAL announces A321neo routes, up to 8 hours to Australia
Replies: 65
Views: 11534

Re: PAL announces A321neo routes, up to 8 hours to Australia

All the people who are complaining about the 8-hour narrowbody flights are clearly clueless in regards to how aviation works. It depends on the airline, not the aircraft. For example, if PA chooses to install lie-flat J seats and 32-inch-pitched Y seats with IFE then I would actually prefer it to t...

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by fsabo
Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PAL announces A321neo routes, up to 8 hours to Australia
Replies: 65
Views: 11534

Re: PAL announces A321neo routes, up to 8 hours to Australia

downdata wrote:
Wow 8 hrs in a nb is going to be rough... maybe long range nb isnt that great of an idea afterall...


Can't be worse than 10 across 777. Cramped and noisy. Also, NEO engines make the NB quieter.

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by fsabo
Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 85719

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

I can see why Airbus might want to cut the cord. The costs of the A380 program are not carried forward like the 787 accounting scheme. Much of it is dead and written off. Where the payoff comes is in the next 30 years of support services. THAT is where the real money lies. Airbus sells a plane, the...

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by fsabo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus offers China Industrial Partnership for A380 Programme
Replies: 126
Views: 17953

Re: Airbus offers China Industrial Partnership for A380 Programme

So the speculation is that this will become an A380 Completion and Delivery Centre, complementing the current A330 Completion and Delivery Centre at Tianjin. All current A350 Completion and Delivery is done in TLS, correct? And I believe I have read here that the A350 program is using some A380 FAL...

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by fsabo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 6:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 85719

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

I'm curious for those who say that a simple stretch of the a380 (without a new wing or engine) is too expensive, doesn't the 747-8 prove the opposite? The 748 was launched with an expectation of probably only selling at best 100-200 planes. Granted Boeing didn't view it as a blockbuster like the 78...

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by fsabo
Mon Jan 08, 2018 9:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 85719

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

I'm curious for those who say that a simple stretch of the a380 (without a new wing or engine) is too expensive, doesn't the 747-8 prove the opposite? The 748 was launched with an expectation of probably only selling at best 100-200 planes. Granted Boeing didn't view it as a blockbuster like the 78...

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by fsabo
Fri Jan 05, 2018 10:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CX to start 777 10-abreast upgrade in March, first 77W retirements to follow
Replies: 88
Views: 17765

Re: CX to start 777 10-abreast upgrade in March, first 77W retirements to follow

Yep totally re the 10 abreast thing, it’s the way of the world, we have options, if you don’t like it go somewhere else. Most book on price though and the majority of the flying public wouldn’t notice a difference. The thing is, when you compare your flight options before purchasing, on your favour...

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by fsabo
Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 85719

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

Why would EK publicaly humiliate airbus if they plan on ordering more A380s? If you look back at various press clippings, EK's CEO has been voicing his concern about the future of the A380 since 2014. I just think that he, and his bosses the owners of EK, were tired of getting inadequate responses ...

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by fsabo
Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 85719

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

william wrote:
VV wrote:
So, what is the likelihood of Emirates ordering more A380?
That's the only question that matters, I think.


That is what this whole thread is about, the next A380 order but on whose terms, EK's or Airbus's?


Why would EK publicaly humiliate airbus if they plan on ordering more A380s?

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by fsabo
Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal
Replies: 695
Views: 85719

Re: Reuters:Airbus ready to phase out A380 if fails to win Emirates deal

We should be seeing Tim and the Sheik and a huge entourage showing up in Seattle for the next 77W delivery, and a few kind words about the 777's future should be getting dropped, with perhaps more words being dropped as "background". I doubt airbus is bluffing. They are quite willing to k...

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