I wonder if B6 would have some luck in establishing a focus city/connecting hub in places with minimal or no competition like GSO, MEM, BHM or COS. Hubs work best where the local market is also large. None of those markets are exactly large, especially GSO. No to GSO, we have a sizeable market that...
Jump to post[ You don't think ILM would like to regain service to RDU? Des in ILM, Honestly, the VERY BEST option would be train service with a line that goes Raleigh-Wilmington, Raleigh-Morehead City, Raleigh-Greenville or Plymouth, Raleigh-Fayetteville, and Raleigh-Norfolk. Let this service compliment the S-...
Jump to postYes, very briefly in the 1990s. Would love to see nonstop service to RDU return (at various times JI, AA, and US all flew it), but I doubt we'll ever see it again. I would love to see a ATR-42-600 and ATR 72-600 operator do some Quad-State flights our of RDU and some Point-to-Point out of some of t...
Jump to postAnd here goes PGV wanting more airline service... I think they are pushing for an airline like Avelo or Breeze to come in due to the fact that MX just went into EWN. Nonetheless, I think a charter airline will be great for PGV. But again, MX has a major operation out of RDU and Avelo as well. Unite...
Jump to postGSP and GSO are the two most obvious adds southbound from IAD; both were usually served 3x daily pre-COVID. Their absence sticks out like a sore thumb. Beyond those two, things get murky. CRW would make logical sense, given that it is only connected to ORD at present. There's a case for MEM, AVL, a...
Jump to postthey need to move GSP, GSO, ILM, ITH, MEM, and a few others from EWR to IAD too. this is a good start though! No, they just need to give GSP IAD back. Most of the cities that lost IAD service just shifted it to EWR. GSP was running both, so just lost IAD without a replacement. GSP and GSO are the t...
Jump to postThe answer on the GSO gates is yes and no. Back in the Continental Lite days, the North Concourse was all CA Lite with I think 9 gates. Everyone else (AA, US Airways, UA, Delta, NW, and I think Airtran) were stuffed into the south concourse. I remember flying on both back then, the North Concourse w...
Jump to postAVL surpassed GSO in enplanements in 2021 and has been ahead of GSO since then. The question now is whether ILM can surpass GSO. Wow, you learn something new everyday. Here is my question about GSO. is Greensboro's population dropping? It can't just be that RDU/CLT are so close can it because these...
Jump to postMakes me wonder if AVL enplanement/deplanement may overtake GSO for year 2023. That would make AVL the 3rd busiest airport in NC. NC as a whole is booming. That only makes sense that the airports are growing. In fact the numbers say yes. ILM was fastest growing, 2nd and almost tied with the 3rd spo...
Jump to postI think introducing rail service would also be bifocal to those areas. I mean, it’s nice to be able to fly into New Bern when I go visit my parents, but the flight options are getting far and few between and the prices are skyrocketing… a train from RDU with stops through to Morehead City and Jacks...
Jump to postThat basically brings GSO back to where it was in 2019. Also, just read a report that on competing routes with CLT, RDU, ROA then GSO's catchment area is only 35-mile radius around the airport. That doesn't cover most of the MSA/CSA. Further, GSO bleeds more than 2/3 of the traffic to CLT and RDU. I...
Jump to postSilver Airways just dumped GSO completely. And rather suddenly at that. This was posted on their Twitter account this morning (sorry, can't bring myself to say X): https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F98Edmwa0AAozhK?format=png&name=900x900 I'll say the same thing I said on the Silver thread. This right...
Jump to postJust saw this on their Twitter. Seems like Silver has had a ton of issue https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F98Edmwa0AAozhK?format=png&name=small Oh, quel the surprise here. Unfortunate. Reading a bit more into 3M, sounds like they are suffering from bad case of mismanagement. Multiple people are sayi...
Jump to postTo what extent does a lack of an efficient regional train system (outside the Northeast U.S) hurt the ability of U.S based airlines to avail themselves of regional aircraft? Air France & Finnair, among others, have been able to drastically cut commuter flights & instead defer to the MUCH mo...
Jump to postSilver Airways just dumped GSO completely.
Another GSO success story.
If there's untapped ULCC potential, why hasn't G4 grown more at GSO? 2 reasons: Customers don't trust Allegiant Customers don't like non-daily service Customers don't like the schedules Allegiant offered from GSO. For instance, Concord to Orlando was a morning flight, but GSO was an evening flight....
Jump to postIf there's untapped ULCC potential, why hasn't G4 grown more at GSO? 2 reasons: Customers don't trust Allegiant Customers don't like non-daily service Customers don't like the schedules Allegiant offered from GSO. For instance, Concord to Orlando was a morning flight, but GSO was an evening flight....
Jump to postIf WN started Greensboro, I would see 1-2 ATL, 1 BWI, 1 BNA, 1 MDW, 1 HOU, 1 DAL being the likely ones that makes sense from a domestic and domestic business traveler based on just my knowledge of the business bleedoff with a few local companies.
Jump to postThere's one thing about Breeze that still confuses me; choosing to go to RDU (especially with the amount of competition there) instead of GSO. They could've built a nice little "focus city" of sorts over in GSO with minimal to no competition on the routes. Already tried and failed by CAL ...
Jump to postThe question is, what would GSO look like without CLT or RDU siphoning off. My guess is something that more resembles Knoxville or Birmingham. WN going to RDU killed off GSO as an alternative airport. Charlotte getting LCC service killed GSO the other way. In all honesty, I think GSO has given up be...
Jump to postThe problem with WN in GSO is the same as always. If they start GSO then it'll hurt the RDU base. I can't say how much, but it surprises me the number of people that fly into Raleigh in Charlotte just to get a WN flight. GSO is in a nightmare position. 22 years ago, CLT came to GSO for cheaper fairs...
Jump to postWe should close this thread and move into: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1480137&start=100&hilit=gso
There's just not enough GSO news to warrant it's on thread like this.
I think the GSO thread should be closed and rolled into here. So I am going to start it off. Early June, Silver starts GSO-MCO and GSO-BNA on the ATR-300 almost daily. I'd be willing to bet the MCO flight will work without impacting Allegiant. The BNA is the worrisome one. But with only ~50 seats to...
Jump to postGiven seating on the ATR, I have to imagine this will be moderately successful.
Jump to postSilver Airways to MCO starts in June? Interesting. They have apparently been able to compete against G4 in GSP, too. Supposedly adding GSO-BNA, too, a route everyone has tried to make work at some point: https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=23782143#p23782143 Allegiant has a good hold on...
Jump to posteraugrad02 wrote:I have a question for you guys, our Mountainair Cargo flight just departed from ILM. It used to go to GSO but it goes to RDU now. Today, it departed on time but it's flying to EWR. I'm stuck on why. I'm asking you all what could be the deal.
And BHM is 75% larger than Greensboro. People have a bad habit of looking at just the city of Birmingham (which is 205,000 people) instead of the entire Birmingham-Hoover MSA plus Tuscaloosa MSA (which for some unknown reason is not considered part of the Birmingham MSA). Actually BHM is only 75% t...
Jump to postI agree with you. Delta recently upgraded both of their daily (minus Saturday) Detroit flights to/from GSP to mainline B717-200 aircraft. They have also added larger planes to Atlanta recently and the flights there are always packed out. I wish they would add Boston and Minneapolis. The demand is c...
Jump to postI have a question for you guys, our Mountainair Cargo flight just departed from ILM. It used to go to GSO but it goes to RDU now. Today, it departed on time but it's flying to EWR. I'm stuck on why. I'm asking you all what could be the deal. The local air station was at GSO serving ILM and EWN. Whe...
Jump to postDelta was running 90 daily flights going into Covid at RDU so over time, I could see the need. DL was the only airline and is the only airline right now making those airport investments. I’m also unsure of how this all would’ve worked, but it worked for a while when American had a hub in Raleigh un...
Jump to postYou said it. You enjoy plenty of service but at the cost of … cost, if said service is offered mostly by one airline. Yep. I don't think this is true anymore, but at one time CLT was one of the most expensive airports to fly out of in the country thanks to the lack of competition. In the 1990s it w...
Jump to postI'm really surprised at how poor GSO's air service is. My mom's best friend is from Greesnboro and is going back to vist next month and it was much easier just to fly to her to RDU and rent a car. I'm really surprised that it is not connected to major hubs like BOS, JFK, MCO, TPA, IAH, FLL, IAD, DE...
Jump to postWell I can say this, their schedule to GSO is less favorable than to Concord. It's really nothing to drive to Concord vs deal with RDU and CLT for flights from the Triad. I'm honestly surprised that Allegiant is still here.
Jump to postHas Allegiant cut Orlando Sanford from the network? Im not seeing it loaded on the Allegiant website after April. That would mean no service to Orlando from Greensboro/High Point at all! Also hoping DL and AA increase ATL and CLT again. Both are 6x when in the past they have been 7-9x. Yep. Again, ...
Jump to postLongest Regional:
FRA-FLR on a Avro
GSO-MSP or GSO-IAH on a CRJ2 (Delta) or E145 (United) respectively
Shortest Mainline:
BOM-PNQ on A319 Air India
They're GSO schedule to FLL didn't offer that many connections. It'd be nice if Allegiant brought FLL back and added LAS.
Jump to postThe thing about Spirit is that its a real airlines compared to Allegiant. Spirit's key is legitimately its connections, and its schedule offered garbage for connections. I wanted to go to Denver, on Spirit nope. Lime Peru to visit family, nope. New Orleans, nope. I legitimately tried and could never...
Jump to postWe need Allegiant to expand, or Spirit or Frontier back
Jump to postF9 served GSO and GSP from MCO and DEN in the past, dropped it. Won't happen again.
NK just dropped GSO a few months ago for MCO, TPA, FLL. Doubt that gets added again.
AVL is pretty saturated now with Allegiant. NK dropped AVL in 2020 for MCO, TPA, and FLL.
March:
Greensboro down to 1x per day to DTW on Delta
IAD gone on United
Allegiant Orlando Sanford flight loads lagging to the schedule. That could go soon. My guess is the smart money is Allegiant leaves GSO to focus on Concord.
Just another side note. GSO lost BNA service on Allegiant.
Another nail in the coffin
While many people will try to throw the GSO/Piedmont area into their catchment, the reality is that population just as easily can drive to CLT which offers plenty of nonstop options. PS: people love to talk how business links to or don't spur routes...I think it has an impact but not a necessarily ...
Jump to postAccording to skyliner: Boeing 767-322 25287 449 N625HR Houston Rockets delivery 07jan22 GSO-PHX, ex HS-AAC According to FAA data, the plane was already registered on 01/18/ 2019 - so why the delivery 3 years later? It seems reconfiguered into VIP layout, one overwing exit deactivated... But why wou...
Jump to postDo you mean BNA? Alabama isn't even populated enough to have a professional sports team. How would BHM support a hub airline? They never even had a Hub airline in the days of hubs in SYR, DAY and CMH. BNA and RDU are the two growing markets in the South with the most new hub potential. TPA might su...
Jump to postHere's my worry about Boom. HondaJet is a real product with a niche but good sized market potential. Meaning the business jet world is not big, but it is sizeable, predictable, and established. The competitors are known. Honda did something unique, developed it over time and released it before expan...
Jump to postTo move UPS/DHL/USPS would require them to be moved somewhere first. Although, they don't have enough airlines to support a terminal that size, so converting the south terminal for that could work. And then there's the off the wall flights via Aeronaves TSM and USA Jet. And the count i have for FexE...
Jump to postOn a side note, the Breeze to GSO is funny. GSO couldn't load Spirit to FLL, GSO couldn't load Spirit to TPA, GSO couldn't load Spirit to Orlando. Breeze doesn't offer anything that people here are going to trust, they're going to go to RDU and CLT and fly trusted airlines, or stay here and fly Amer...
Jump to postAny chance GSO will consolidate all operations into one concourse and mothball the other? I doubt it. Though there has been talk of consolidating the 2 separate TSA checkpoints into one that is centrally located thus connecting both concourses airside. Could it be Boom Supersonic? Maybe? I honestly...
Jump to postNewark727 wrote:Who is the GSO-ONT-GSO flight numbered 710/711 being run for? Since June of 2020, I've seen four different airlines (three, if you count Aloha and Northern Air Cargo as one) operating it.
I really wish F9 would come back to GSO. They were just really convenient. They just dumped GSP too. Allegiant is not going to expand GSO much, and if they do, it will be only if GSO and SW VA can support it. They're focus is Concord and Asheville now and they think Concord can pull GSO people. NK....
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