On the DL front - looks like they pulled the second mainline from the summer IND-DTW. Not worth checking July because it’ll be updated again I'm sure. Still nice to have five flights to DTW (1 mainline, 4 rj)
Jump to postDTW in the old NWA network was obviously just larger because there wasn’t a giant mega hub to the south. It also had the connections to Asia. Both of those structural advantages for a large connecting hub are obviously diminished, and hence under capacity from a facility point of view. Still I think...
Jump to postStill looking forward to DL adding frequency to SLC. MSP probably does a great job of connecting a lot of similar ODs versus UA DEN and AA DFW/PHX. Glad to see this summer IND-DTW is 5x peak days, including two mainline.
Jump to postLooks like some capacity is returning to DTW this summer: DTW-FWA is returning DTW-CLE/CMH/GRR/IND/MKE/SFO moving from 4x > 5x DTW-GSP/MEM/PWM moving from 2x >3x (Pre-Covid frequency) etc It's interesting. I see the 5th flight in the system on Friday Jun07, however other markets still look like pla...
Jump to postAgree, ATL concourses were used by a lot of lower density Tristars, 762s, 727, 757. In those days, they weren't operating nearly as large a regional operation until the late 1990s either. Now, the airplanes gauge wise on average are just so much larger. an A321 for example is about ~85% the capacity...
Jump to postRegarding MCI- isn’t still a massive WN station? I know it pulls from a much wider catchment area versus some of the other Midwest airports too. I want to say that IND still has more European and Asia demand though.
Jump to postInternational PremiumSelect is now pretty much a mirror image of domestic first class with new trays, china, glasses, and the option to pre-select meal choices. Main cabin features new service ware. Roll out of complimentary wifi in all cabins on international flights is slated for Q12025. It was m...
Jump to postI think the livery will stay for many years to come given it is simple and sort of timeless as far as painting an airplane is concerned. Obviously other customer focusing elements like uniforms and the airport branding will probably have new iterations in the not too distant future.
Jump to postDid anyone notice the second London flight is operating briefly this month?
Jump to postSorry, but thinking the JV needs the local brand carrier on a route shows you don't. I’m guessing you have no airline experience. What this shows is that VS carriers more folks to LAX than DL can carry to LHR. if it was the other way around or even equal, it’d be VS that lost a frequency. Like I sa...
Jump to postDelta is tending to load their schedules closer in than years past. I hope to see a stronger summer offering in the weeks ahead: 5x DTW (unlikley- even if all RJ given fleet restraints and overall connectivity at DTW) 2x SLC (possible, but also unlikely given the four MSP flights cover so much of th...
Jump to postFor DL, I'm only counting 6 nonstops the day after Memorial Day. Is that all there is now or are some flights sold out? What is listed on the DL site is all 757's and 737-900ERs. Didn't they used to run 8x daily? Last I checked the placeholder is 8x 737-900, before that I think it’s 7x daily with o...
Jump to postI think the notion midsize markets need Europe service has become quite inflated after the pandemic. And most of the markets that have it had to pay for it. For Indy, with a good amount of legacy coverage, with relatively short flights to major connecting complexes like ORD, NYC, BOS, DTW, CLT, PHL...
Jump to postI think the notion midsize markets need Europe service has become quite inflated after the pandemic. And most of the markets that have it had to pay for it. For Indy, with a good amount of legacy coverage, with relatively short flights to major connecting complexes like ORD, NYC, BOS, DTW, CLT, PHL,...
Jump to postRegarding Asia. Despite DTW, and MSP, I think Indy is to the point where the daily 319/221 needs to come back on SEA. DL competitors seem to have a stronger position here going west than some other comparable markets. Obviously, WN is large in IND and serves multiple DEN, LAS, PHX. Still, I think DL...
Jump to postAt some point, these big semiconductor projects will put IND over the top in terms of Asia demand. They will? I would think there’s a lot less needed back and fourth for training and site time versus the 2000s. Also, if they need to get to Asia from IND, ORD, DTW, and even MSP will all get you there.
Jump to postHow many "good jobs" would a semiconductor facility bring to the metro? The facility investment itself is obviously massive, but do they employ more than a couple hundred workers? Obviously I know nothing about this type of manufacturing but if Indianapolis starts to get these types of ind...
Jump to postI believe the first domestic plane with the new interior will be a 757 - a 75S to G conversion I assume.
Jump to postWhen was the last time DL flew IND-CDG? What was the frequency and a/c? Early March 2020. 3x weekly in offseason, daily in peak summer, & 5-6x weekly in-between B763 Got it, was just curious. Has DL made any indications that they will return the route? How long was this flown for? Those indicat...
Jump to postSince the pandemic, it seems there are major projects allover the metro area- commercial buildings and many residential projects - indicating investment. Economically, things were starting to spool up in 2017 and 2018 and I think that is starting to really build again. AUS, BNA, RDU are just complet...
Jump to postThe London slot can only be added at 5x frequency elsewhere right? Five is likely the minimum with few exceptions anyway.
There was another slot, not sure where now, pre 2019 shared with Portland I think 4x LHR-PDX and 3x LHR-DTW? Trying to recall at what point in time DTW went to 12 weekly DTW-LHR
An airline that acquired almost-orphan fleets of MD 90s and 717s should not have too much of an issue flying late production 339s These are actually exclusive business cases with different variables. The reasons why the MD-90 and 717, albeit separate transactions and business objectives, were attra...
Jump to postWell…this period of winter is a very low demand period and Saturdays are reduced schedules on most carriers, so a lot of frequency deletions.
Jump to postEven more certain now the 787-10 (and maybe the 9) will be a reality. Not remotely certain. What is certain is that one more widebody order will be needed on the relatively short horizon. By not including the 359 in this order, Delta has set up the OEMs for a bloody pricing contest between the 359 ...
Jump to postI agree. We are getting late for any starts, which would've likely been in April, May, or June. My take away is Indianapolis is well matched with a variety of carriers and service. Given higher costs to launch some of these routes, they likely are not viable without over reliance on large subsidies ...
Jump to postWhere are all the people claiming the A339 is 100% replacing the 767 fleet? Little sleepy this morning? In all seriousness, this is a great order for DL and will help it up-gauge on its profitable INTL routes. I think DL is heading into 2024 a little more cautious, with their guidance slightly lowe...
Jump to postJust read the announcement. Even more certain now the 787-10 (and maybe the 9) will be a reality. How? What does the 787-10 offer that the 359 doesn’t? Also, DL needs economies of scale, there’s not enough aircraft needing replacement or growth prospects to introduce yet another type in the numbers...
Jump to postJust read the announcement.
Even more certain now the 787-10 (and maybe the 9) will be a reality.
Rehashing the capacity replacement plan is exhausting. There seems to be obsession with the concept of 1 to 1 replacements, which often hasn't and won't be the case in the industry. The 332/333/339 will continue to replace capacity flown by the 763ER transoceanic. The upgauging combined with the pro...
Jump to postNo the A338 is not needed in Delta's fleet. It's very similar operating costs and less revenue potential versus the 339 and therefore not a tangible option. Economically it makes more sense to upgauge and leverage network (including partner hubs) versus one to one replacements.
Jump to postIt boggles me that it comes up over and over again regarding size and the 767. The market didn't warrant a direct 763ER replacement given what was already offered and the trends of upgauging and flowing traffic over partner hubs. It would seem to me that with the increased labor costs, Delta will be...
Jump to postCertainly the 339, 359, 35K have their merits at Delta, but I still think the 787-10 is just too good a fit and will eventually come.
Jump to postI don’t care for the eyeliner. I’m glad the 220s don’t have it.
Jump to postI wonder if they plan on keeping the black mask on the NEOs and 350s.
Jump to postRealistically, how many additional flights could Delta even fit with gate limitations at AUS? Like if they wanted to add 5 or 6 more non-hub routes with 3x service, could they handle that type of small expansion? I only ask because when I pass through there are five or six mainline on the ground and...
Jump to postI can’t recall, but wasn’t DTW-KEF 4x weekly S23? I think it’s loaded for 5x S24.
Jump to postSo do you think we could support 2X daily instantly? Absolutely. Anecdotally, without looking at traffic data, their pre Covid network going “westbound”: 5x daily (mostly or all mainline) to MSP, LAX plus SEA was still on the schedule and they’d planned a second SLC, I think it was actually loaded ...
Jump to postI know de-hubbing DTW is not going to happen in the near future- obviously that would be unlikely as DTW is a large market itself with a ton of loyalty and has a real purpose in the network, even if that purpose has diminished versus pre-pandemic. But, out of all the hubs and coastal focus markets, ...
Jump to postGiven DL is less than daily on LAX and soon to restart SLC, I'd be stunned if they add anything more than this in 2024. I'd love it, but I doubt it. I think Delta is very familiar with the IND market - they obviously inherited a large frequent flyer base from NW and invested in bringing the first i...
Jump to postI think Delta is very familiar with the IND market - they obviously inherited a large frequent flyer base from NW and invested in bringing the first international flight to Indianapolis. The area continues to grow but the economic footprint and potential seem to be outpacing other Midwestern metros....
Jump to postI think it’s likely Delta goes to 2x SLC or brings back SEA. Even during Covid SEA kept the placeholder schedule with the 220 for a while, of course it never started. Also, they had loaded BOS with 2x 221 and obviously that as well never commenced and has remained RJ. I think a couple of NY frequenc...
Jump to postATL is a beast. For so long it offered 9x (and higher) MD-88/90 to dozens of destinations. Layovers were (are) short. Obviously slightly less frequencies now with the upgauging, but it’s definitely noticeable when you dump a dozen or more 180+ seaters in a ten minute period on one of those narrow ou...
Jump to postMaybe all that's true, but it's not like traffic in key business markets like BOS and NYC has soared recently to justify all of the flying Delta's doing there either. Which brings us to the elephant in the room. Given that Delta feels that they can't meaningfully cut down the BOS operation (need to...
Jump to postPuissance, I'm going to suggest there's a different way to interpret the present situation where, as you note NK hasn't expanded F9 hasn't expanded (and sustained its expansions) WN hasn't expanded UA and AA haven't expanded Maybe DTW just isn't the great domestic O&D market a few posters so pe...
Jump to postIt appears Paris is the better fit for IND as an intercontinental link and most recently demonstrated when the governor and economic team visited Air France directly just some months ago. I imagine it has to do with the best combination of leisure and business traffic to, and certainly, beyond Europ...
Jump to postI think the future of Detroit Asia flying is, unfortunately, kind of bleak compared to pre pandemic years and there are many options to ICN/Asia on KE and DL from numerous gateways. I think the most we can hope for in the years ahead is likely HND/ICN and the return of daily PVG. I think SEA and LAX...
Jump to postI just want to know where the rj’s are coming from? I expect there is some slack with the amount of 717s back on line and therefore allocating some rj flying from core hubs, but I was under the impression they were still very constrained from a pilot perspective.
Jump to postThis is a little bit off topic but I’ve meant to ask this for a while. How do crew bases that aren’t at a hub work? Like what makes that airport a base? Pretty much any station that has a lot of mainline aircraft movements per day and especially RONs OR an international flight like PDX/CVG and plac...
Jump to postDelta has some very competitive investments in coastal markets, namely SEA but also BOS and obviously devoting a lot of resources to NYC and LAX too. All while coming into massively more gates and potential for capacity in SLC. They say they are going to focus on "core hubs" and building b...
Jump to postIND is generally a drive market from DTW. Trust me, I do it far too much. Auto industry traffic is generally driving to IND and almost all leisure traffic is. Door to door time savings is minimal, airfare even advance fair is regularly 300-500 r/t then throw in the obscene post pandemic rental car ...
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