Out of curiosity, do you hold the same view of Ryanair? FR announced EDI-TIA a day after W6. In fact almost all routes that W6 just announced out of TIA seem to have been in response to the upcoming FR. And although W6 routes may seem erratic, the failures out of TIA can be counted on one hand. I'm...
Jump to postThat makes no sense. If FR is smelling blood, then why not go after one of the bigger W6 routes at TIA, where it can really hurt W6, rather than a minor route that hasn't even started yet. Why not carpet bomb the TIA-Italy market if it really thinks W6 won't be around for long?
Jump to postcompany devoid of realistic business model and assets with 3.5Bn Market Cap. There is a lot of shareholder worth to be destroyed there. Correct. I'm glad I sold my Wizz Air shares back in August 2021. Since then the airline has behaved erratically and it's route network a complete mess with random ...
Jump to postA loss of EUR 535 million reported for the fiscal year ended on 31MAR. https://www.londonstockexchange.com/news-article/WIZZ/final-results/15990018 Inexcusable loss. COVID is well behind the industry. load factor is inexplicably the wrong side of 90% Wind down the company, find leasees for the 179 ...
Jump to postA bit surprised by Liverpool as it was only cancelled last Fall. I think some of these routes are being opened to pre-empt the expected FR base in TIA.
Jump to postAfter the blockade ended, visiting Bahrain if based in Qatar meant a 7 hour drive rather than a 25 minute flight. That didn't stop the Bahrainis (number plates identifiable) from visiting Qatar during holidays. Not at the level of the Saudis, who practically invade Doha during holiday season (and a...
Jump to postThat's all true. But when ATH, which is a lot further away and is a much larger market, has only a limited number of flights, you would think that SKG would be a futile effort. A3 had tried making it work with a smaller plane in the past without much success. I hope, I'm wrong. What I think could ea...
Jump to postAlbawings will probably go bankrupt soon. Their current schedule has diminished immensely. Air Albania has only 3 a/c at the moment. 4th went back to TK. But your point still stands (pun intended). Although there are 21 stands, not 17. They added four new ones last summer when they expanded the apron.
Jump to postWizzair starting: TIA - SKG 4wk TIA - VLC 3wk TIA - BRE 3wk They will base a tenth aircraft in TIA in July (already announced) and an 11th starting in the winter. A bit surprised by the first two destinations (don't know enough about BRE). SKG is driving distance and even though I'm ecstatic about V...
Jump to postI am a bit surprised they don’t launch Jeddah-Tirana unless someone else is already flying it. Flynas already flies TIA-JED and TIA-RUH. I suspect that's why Wizzair went for DMM. DMM can also get traffic from BAH. This summer, GF has weekly charters BAH-TIA, but scheduled flights only a 40 mins dr...
Jump to postGood day, this may be a bit off-topic. But has anybody been to Kukes recently? I would love to hear more as far as accomodation there is concerned as well as possibilities for overland travel to Tirana. Thanks a lot! Plenty of daily buses to Tirana, should take c. 2 hours. There should also be hote...
Jump to postFrom what I remember, when Wizz Air announced TIA they said it was because the airport had a new incentive scheme for new routes where they would even get money for marketing purposes. I guess that is still in place. Also, don't forget that they might be using some of the 9 planes that are based in...
Jump to postWhy, is he incorrect in any way? On a European scale, it's an observation that is spot on. To have 19 aircraft based there, each carrying 200 pax, seems overkill. Or do you have the numbers to show regarding the huge size of Tirana, or the big important economy of Albania, or the millions and milli...
Jump to postIn that case i must go tell them to stop speaking such nonsense because an airliners.net expert concluded that it would impossible. Imagine if i told you back in 2020 that Wizz would have 9 aircraft based in TIA by 2022. If this was in reply to my post, then I'm still awaiting your factual reply to...
Jump to postsuch a small city, in a small and almost irrelevant economy as the albanian, with very little inbound/outbound tourism Wow... continue please... Why, is he incorrect in any way? On a European scale, it's an observation that is spot on. To have 19 aircraft based there, each carrying 200 pax, seems o...
Jump to postWizzair is basing a ninth aircraft (A321ceo) in TIA this summer and starting LYS, WAW and NUE, all 2 weekly. According to an interview by W6 rep in the local media, they want to grow to 19 aircraft by 2025. Does anyone have the ranking of the largest Wizzair bases? https://wizzair.com/en-gb/informat...
Jump to postWell yes, that has always been the case in the last years, the point was that the current operator is actually using this advantage. Yes and no. Albania has been growing as a tourism destination but it is still very unknown and niche. Tell someone in Spain you want to go on holidays to Albania, and...
Jump to postTIA getting bigger by the day Starting this December, you can travel directly from Tirana to Liverpool, Madrid, Billund and Oslo. A 6th plane will be stationed in TIA as well in December. In July, the TIA passenger numbers surpassed the July '19 numbers by c. 10%, although still below 2019, year to...
Jump to postHow about you do some research before accusing others of making things up? https://www.tirana-airport.com/media/15907325177350AirlineIncentivePolicy_2020.pdf So you mean invectives that are there for every other airline and that have been the standard for pretty much any other airport in the region...
Jump to postI would love to see what conditions they got from MXP. In Tirana they got quite a bit starting with 100% discounts on airport charges and electricity for the first year, 50% off the second year. Financial support for new routes and for turning charter destinations into scheduled ones (Rhodes and He...
Jump to postI would love to see what conditions they got from MXP. In Tirana they got quite a bit starting with 100% discounts on airport charges and electricity for the first year, 50% off the second year. Financial support for new routes and for turning charter destinations into scheduled ones (Rhodes and He...
Jump to postWizz New Routes announced from Tirana (TIA): Bari (BRI) - 4x weekly - begins 15 July 2020 Basel (BSL) - 2x weekly - begins 18 July 2020 Beauvais (BVA) - 3x weekly - begins 15 July 2020 Berlin Schoenefeld (SXF) - 3x weekly - begins 15 July 2020 Brussels Charleroi (CRL) - 2x weekly (increasing to 4x ...
Jump to postJust anecdotal, but flew it Nov in C. Outbound C was 60-70% full from what I remember. Return was completely full.
Jump to postOf course I know about it but you might want to stop, think before reply to other people's posts. I was referring that they might use the A320 from BUD to operate these flights as in BUD-TIA-Italy-TIA-BUD. W pattern operations are quite common at Wizz Air. Yet, anyone who knows the market or simply...
Jump to postDoesn't surprise me. It was only a matter of time before the small players on Italy-Albania were replaced by the larger airlines. I was kinda expecting EZY to do this, especially since they already started MXP-TIA. Blue Panorama/Albawings are probably on thin ice as well. The Hungarian government i...
Jump to postDoesn't surprise me. It was only a matter of time before the small players on Italy-Albania were replaced by the larger airlines. I was kinda expecting EZY to do this, especially since they already started MXP-TIA. Blue Panorama/Albawings are probably on thin ice as well. All these new flights to be...
Jump to postdr1980 wrote:Interesting that an airline with a fleet of 2 would operate the 737 and A319...that can’t be overly efficient.
I thought they already had their own AOC now and the flights to Italy were under their AOC. Also, not sure TK can operate flights from TIA to EU. Either way, TK calls the shots. The Albanian govt only owns around a quarter and another Albanian investor the other quarter, so even on paper, TK is the ...
Jump to postI tend to agree more or less. Most people will fly whichever airline is cheapest, but most will also choose the more established airline if the price difference is reasonable. Even though Air Albania (ZB) is a TK offshoot for all practical purposes and I would expect similar levels of service, peopl...
Jump to postMost Albanians still use travel agencies to buy airplane tickets so it's not uncommon for some obscure airlines to be chartered to operate several specific routes. Eurowings uses the same model in PRN and so does Orang2Fly. Chair is another examples for flights out of SKP and PRN. But I don't think...
Jump to post[threeid][/threeid] Just a quick note on TC-JZG, it has been painted in the Air Albania livery but still has a touch of the TK livery, maintaining the tulip. It's also missing the red bottom. IMO this is not the right aircraft for the routes it's currently being flown on (TIA-FCO/MXP/BLQ). It has fu...
Jump to postAnd what about the theft in Belgium? Was that Belgium we were talking about? Your fascination with Albania, or should I say your baseless anti-Albanian comments over the years are childish to say the least. Back to the topic at hand, I completely agree that this shouldn't happen and something that t...
Jump to postWhat billions of foreign aid? Please provide some details, not propaganda. Please keep your political biases to yourself in civ av.
Jump to postInfrastructure at TIA might be superior to that of OHD, but is it superior to PRN or SKP? Probably not. Don't get me wrong the TIA terminal is great, but it was also built with a capacity for roughly half the number of passengers that will fly through this year. Back in 2012 they announced an expans...
Jump to postThe problem with Tirana is the seasonality of the demand. The demand in the summer far outstrips the supply and you can fill a flight even with crazy prices and in the middle of the night. As an anecdotal example I just flew LGW-TIA on BA last night (got in at 2:40am local time) and there wasn't a s...
Jump to postI can't speak to the future success of this route with any certainty, but there is actually more business traffic between London and Budapest than most people think. I know of at least two US banks (I'm sure there are more) that have a large part of their support functions there. Originally it was p...
Jump to postIt seems like TK's jv in Albania is going ahead. A new Albanian carrier with Turkish assistance has been in the works (or at least rumored) for some time. According to local articles, TK will have a 49% stake and the Albanian state and a third investor will own 51%. Interestingly enough, the third s...
Jump to postThey're starting seasonal 2 weekly OSL-TIA this summer. Not sure if this is in collaboration with a tour operator (Apollo's flights on the same segment will be covered by Small Planet).
Jump to postHaven't seen much/any news about this so might as well try it here if anyone has more info. A few months ago, the Albanian PM and the TK CEO had a press conference announcing plans to establish an Albanian airline based at TIA. Little information was provided, other than to say that the airline was ...
Jump to postDalmd88 wrote:The cities of ELM, ITH, BGM are all very similar.
TIA, operated as a scheduled charter for two summers in the late 2000s.
Jump to post<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/lesfalls" class="quote" target="_blank">lesfalls</a> (<a href="#15" class="quote">Reply 15</a>):<br/><i>No, I am asking why aren't they operatin...
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Jump to postA bit ironic that even on FIFA matters, guidance has to come from the US. And then people complain about the US meddling everywhere. Well, didn't see any of the European or Latin American authorities do anything about this for years. But maybe Europe should start by cleaning up UEFA first. Platini i...
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