Re: 747 Final Flyaway

Hi all,

Does anyone have any idea where I can get the flight plan in general and the draw flight plan in particular?

Thanks,

Re: Saudi air space opened to all civilian carriers

The sole purpose of this announcement is to open the Saudi skies for Israeli airlines besides the special corridor to the Golf (although in the original message by the Saudis Israel or El – Al is not mentioned :smile: ). Not only El – AL will take this opportunity to cut the flight time to the east,...

Re: November 3, 2019. After 48 years; last ever El Al 747 flight

ELAL still has 747F in the skies. Not sure how much longer. It isn't quite the end yet. As said, El Al retired its freighter (4X-ELF) too but you may still see a B747-F with El Al flight number however it is a code share with CAL. It is CAL aircrafts and crews. For El Al it is all over. I was happy...

Re: Pictures of new ETM (Ramon Airport, Israel) Construction - Opening Aug 2017

It is hard to know and it definitely going to be depended on the season. This airport is not going to be a new "hub" for LY and it won't surprise me if LY doesn't have international flights from it at all. It is just a new small airport (even if it has a runway that can take the A380) for ...

Re: Pictures of new ETM (Ramon Airport, Israel) Construction - Opening Aug 2017

20km (12sm) to the north.

Re: Pictures of new ETM (Ramon Airport, Israel) Construction - Opening Aug 2017

BestWestern wrote:

How frequent are the trains?

Re: Pictures of new ETM (Ramon Airport, Israel) Construction - Opening Aug 2017

This airport will not be an alternate to TLV. It is too far away. There is a plan for another international airport in northern Israel that will be but it progresses very very slowly.

Re: Pictures of new ETM (Ramon Airport, Israel) Construction - Opening Aug 2017

Any idea why in 2017 there are no jetways? True there will almost never be rain or cold there but it sure does heat up. Even a short walk from bus to steps could get sweaty Sweaty no because of the low humidity percentage in this area all year long but I can't understand it. In the summer temperatu...

Re: Questions about El Al

Armodeen wrote:

If they operate an extensive charter schedule on the Sabbath then they already have the crews etc.

Re: Questions about El Al

You need to understand one simple thing: to operate 7 days a week instead of 6 means increase workload by 17%. That's a lot. El Al does many of its maintenance work during the weekend (especially "small and quick" things). If they operate 7 days a week, they will need to schedule this main...

Re: Same plane flying to "enemy" countries

On Aug 31st this year a Tailwind Airline (Turkish company) B737 landed in Tel Aviv with the logo "Wings Of Lebanon" on it. It was a surprise and funny to see it in TLV but nobody in Israel made a big deal of it. In Lebanon, on the other hand, they said they will never let this aircraft (TC...

Re: Air Force One Range

One explanation for the refueling stop could be that they need to do a high performance takeoff out of Tel Aviv for security reasons. Less fuel = less weight = way better climb. I saw it for few seconds after departure and it did look like it was climbing faster than an El Al B747 on its way to JFK...

Re: El Al a/c sub

El Al has problems with crews so they lease some aircrafts like B737, B757, B777, A343 and A345 (in July they also leased a B744).
ELY008 is normally done by a B744 and all of them are flying (and these days they only have 2 flights to JFK, not 3) so aircraft in service is not the answer.

Re: El Al route changes?

I don't know.

Re: El Al route changes?

It is not diversion, it is on purpose. Summer vacation comes to an end. There are many people to take back home to France on one hand (the B744 departed as LY227 to CDG early Monday morning as un-regular flight) and many Israelis to bring back home from AMS (LY338) on the other hand so El Al did it ...

Re: Questions about El Al and Royal Jordanian

dirk88 wrote:

There's two land crossings...

Re: Questions about El Al and Royal Jordanian

klakzky123 wrote:

In general, TLV isn't anything special when it comes to security. Sure you'll see plenty of IDF soldiers but there are tons of airports with extra military personnel standing around.

Re: Questions about El Al and Royal Jordanian

but we definitely didn't descend below cruising altitude until we were clear of the West Bank. There is no problem to descend over the West Bank (WB) just because it is the WB. The flights from Eilat not to mention farther destinations are doing it. Of course when you come from AMM at first you eve...

Re: LY07

usflyer123 wrote:

LY flies 747 to Heraklion? wow thats strange...

Re: LY07

All El Al Pax 747s are flying today. While the A345 is flying again as ELY007 to JFK, 4X-ELB which was supposed to do the flight flew to Heraklion (so there was a crew for this flight). I think El Al simply designs flights more than aircraft it has. Normally a B767 did the flights to YYZ. I don't kn...

Re: LY07

I thought they had basically a pipeline from the Israeli air force. In the past few years less and less ex-air force pilots are going to El Al. They prefer Hi-Tech companies. For quite some time there is a big unrest between management and crews. The management says the pilots do tricks to increase...

Re: LY07

It is due to lack of available crew. Do they need now to ground 2 744s (after already grounded ELF "for good") to have a crew? What did they do last week or 2 weeks ago? I bet they don't have any problems to find a crew for a nice "trip" to RHO every Sat for Israir (short flight...

Re: LY07

I'm not sure what happened here. First of all we should remember that we are in the peak of the summer vacation. All the flights are full and El-Al doesn't have any spare aircraft if something goes wrong (definitely not a big aircraft). Normally ELY007 is done by the aircraft which did ELY008 from J...

Re: What kind of aircrafts did BAW flew LHR TLV after BEA / BOAC merge ?

BA did use the L-1011 to TLV. My very first flight (and second ) in 83 was on one of them.
I can't tell since when they used it on the line.

Re: MIA-TLV flight

LAX772LR wrote:

Isn't Israel still in a downgraded category by the FAA, or has their status been raised back again?

RE: EL-AL 744 /w Medical Diversion BGO. Leaking Fuel

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/caleb1" class="quote" target="_blank">caleb1</a> (<a href="#7" class="quote">Reply 7</a>):<br/><i> I wonder what sort of security requirements h...

RE: EL-AL 744 /w Medical Diversion BGO. Leaking Fuel

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/davescj" class="quote" target="_blank">davescj</a> (<a href="#2" class="quote">Reply 2</a>):<br/><i>What was the original flight number/destinat...

RE: EL-AL 744 /w Medical Diversion BGO. Leaking Fuel

Flight from hell  <img src="http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/graphics/smilies/smile.gif" width="15" height="15" border="0"/> Even before this unexpected detour (that no one can control), the aircraft departed <acronym title="Tel Aviv (-Jaffa) - Ben Gurion (Lod) (TLV / LLBG), Israel"...

RE: Same City Pairing, Different Route

Dispatch is a mystery. I follow (almost) every night the departure of El-Al flights to New York (<acronym title="New York - John F. Kennedy International (Idlewild) (JFK / KJFK), USA - New York">JFK</acronym> & <acronym title="Newark - Liberty International (Metropolitan) (EWR / KEWR), USA - New...

RE: Does El Al Receive Discounts From Boeing?

Don't you know the LY1862 story?

RE: Does El Al Receive Discounts From Boeing?

El Al did get a big discount when they bought the forth B744 (4X-ELD) in the late 90's but that was as a partially compensation for the loss of the B742 freighter (4X-AXG) in Amsterdam (which was Boeing fault).

RE: El Al Flights To Zanzibar

Last week was Passover in Israel (or I should say the Jewish world) which is a big travel holiday so El Al was very active (much above average for weekends and holidays) during the first holiday (Sat, Apr 23rd) and yesterday (Sat, Apr 30th, a day after the second holiday), all under Israir code (6H)...

RE: LY 772ER And 744 In GVA 27 Mar 2016

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Viscount724" class="quote" target="_blank">Viscount724</a> (<a href="#8" class="quote">Reply 8</a>):<br/><i>Wasn't Thursday a national holiday i...

RE: LY 772ER And 744 In GVA 27 Mar 2016

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Faro" class="quote" target="_blank">Faro</a> (<a href="#0" class="quote">Thread starter</a>):<br/><i>special holiday charter flights maybe?</i><...

RE: LY Posts 2015 Results: A Record Breaking Year

Well, no surprise here at all giving the fact that the company feels very well the "crash" of fuel cost and the passengers don't…
Also, any comparison to 2014 is more than a problematic one giving the summer we had.

RE: Visiting Israel During Shabbat

If you want to go from Jerusalem to Haifa on Sat (before sunset), prepare to pay for a special taxi (no public transportation) <b>a lot</b> (could be well more than 100€). You may find an open pub in Jerusalem on Friday night but most of the city is closed (unlike Tel Aviv or Haifa). In Haifa, by th...

RE: RJ DXB AMM Lands In TLV

This diversion was last week. We had 3 days of heavy dust storm with visibility (at the worst) close to zero. AMM was closed for some time (zero visibility and very high winds) and flights landed elsewhere. Some diverted to Aqaba, an <acronym title="Emirates (United Arab Emirates)">EK</acronym> did ...

RE: Which Route Takes In Most ATC Countries?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/readytotaxi" class="quote" target="_blank">readytotaxi</a> (<a href="#0" class="quote">Thread starter</a>):<br/><i>Curious, looking at EL AL fro...

RE: Tel Aviv Observations

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Viscount724" class="quote" target="_blank">Viscount724</a> (<a href="#16" class="quote">Reply 16</a>):<br/><i>Rhodes (Greece) is <acronym title=...

RE: Tel Aviv Observations

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/TC957" class="quote" target="_blank">TC957</a> (<a href="#10" class="quote">Reply 10</a>):<br/><i>I would never have thought Israeli holiday mak...

RE: Tel Aviv Observations

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/777way" class="quote" target="_blank">777way</a> (<a href="#8" class="quote">Reply 8</a>):<br/><i>Rincon de Los Sauces in Argentina?</i></font><...

RE: Tel Aviv Observations

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/LY777" class="quote" target="_blank">LY777</a> (<a href="#2" class="quote">Reply 2</a>):<br/><i> Quoting AIR MALTA (Thread starter): - on Saturd...

Aegean 940 (ATH-AMM) Diverted To TLV (Smoke Alert)

The "Jewish authorities"? Thank god you didn't say something "better". Jest to remind you, in the mid 90's we let an Iranian Air Force B707 <b>!!!</b> to land in Israel after it was hijack and both Jordan and Saudi Arabia were "ready" to let it crash when it was very low on fuel. The aircraft was ab...

Aegean 940 (ATH-AMM) Diverted To TLV (Smoke Alert)

Few hours ago flight AEE 940 from <acronym title="OLD: Athens (- Hellinikon) (ATH / LGAT) (closed), Greece AND CURRENT: Athens - Eleftherios Venizelos (Spata) (ATH / LGAV), Greece">ATH</acronym> to AMM (A320) performed an emergency landing in <acronym title="Tel Aviv (-Jaffa) - Ben Gurion (Lod) (TLV...

RE: EL AL 747 Got Problems?

Remember <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_268" target="_blank">BA268</a>? As already mentioned El-Al is getting hard over this. When looking at the flight path is does look like they diverted heading LON but then the company decided they want the aircraft to fly to <acro...

RE: Israeli Airspace Closed For Jordanian Airlines?

As said flights to/from <acronym title="Beirut - Rafic Hariri International (BEY / OLBA), Lebanon">BEY</acronym> don't overflight Israel. It is more interesting why <acronym title="Turkish Airlines">TK</acronym> flights from <acronym title="Istanbul - Ataturk (Yesilkoy) (IST / LTBA), Turkey">IST</ac...

RE: Yemen Airspace Closed

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/blueflyer" class="quote" target="_blank">blueflyer</a> (<a href="#19" class="quote">Reply 19</a>):<br/><i> Are those two countries' air space cl...

RE: Yemen Airspace Closed

I took a look at FlightRadar24 at 13:25z and saw both LY54 from <acronym title="Johannesburg - OR Tambo International (Jan Smuts) (JNB / FAOR), South Africa">JNB</acronym> and LY84 from <acronym title="Bangkok - Suvarnabhumi International (BKK / VTBS), Thailand">BKK</acronym> heading the Bab-el-Mand...

RE: Yemen Airspace Closed

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/anstar" class="quote" target="_blank">anstar</a> (<a href="#12" class="quote">Reply 12</a>):<br/><i>Lookign at flightaware, they have gone north...

RE: Yemen Airspace Closed

LY flies above the borders of the ATC areas between Saudi Arabia and Yemen on one hand and the African countries on the other hand. I didn't hear about any change (not that <acronym title="El Al (Israel)">LY</acronym> has too much space to play with). An airline that did change its route (to Israel)...