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by timz
Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA DTW-HNL nonstop, 1970!
Replies: 27
Views: 2526

Re: UA DTW-HNL nonstop, 1970

I'll check, but I don't think BAL-HNL was daily. Doesn't the timetable have a qualifying footnote?

Might have been daily from (BAL or DTW) to HNL-- total seven flights a week from the two cities.

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by timz
Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:19 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Why placing 1st/business class in nose?
Replies: 32
Views: 5094

Re: Why placing 1st/business class in nose?

IIRC, in the early days of commercial aviation airplanes were single class. In 1940 United began carrying passengers SFO-BUR on 2-stop 247s for a lower fare than the DC-3s. Far as I know that was the first time passengers had a choice; that ended 1942. Coach flights resumed in 1948. In the US, coac...

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by timz
Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norwegian 787 sets record for quickest subsonic transatlantic flight
Replies: 64
Views: 15539

Re: Norwegian 787 sets record for quickest subsonic transatlantic flight

Per Wikipedia: “The Convair 990A is still the fastest non-supersonic commercial transport to have ever been produced. During May 1961, one of the pre-production 990 prototype aircraft set a record of .97 Mach in level flight at an altitude of 22,500 ft., equivalent to a true airspeed of 675 mph.” Y...

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by timz
Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:30 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: SFO BA A380 takeoff on 1R?!?!
Replies: 41
Views: 5880

Re: SFO BA A380 takeoff on 1R?!?!

DocLightning wrote:
we took a very sharp right turn immediately after rotation [on SFO runway 19R]

Left turn, you mean?

When widebodies did shortish flights out of SFO, they weren't unusual on 1L. Think I saw an Il-96 to LAX off of 1L.

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by timz
Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What airline? 707 at DTW, 1970's
Replies: 18
Views: 3500

Re: What airline? 707 at DTW, 1970's

arcticcruiser wrote:
leading edge "slots"

Think slots appeared on the DC-8-12.

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by timz
Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:23 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017
Replies: 49
Views: 6485

Re: 20 busiest airport pairs in the Americas for 2017

2.87 million passengers must be LAX to JFK plus JFK to LAX? Anyone figure out whether that's O&D passengers or total passengers?

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by timz
Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:49 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Why do passengers board the aircraft from the left side?
Replies: 91
Views: 15250

Re: Why do passengers board the aircraft from the left side?

As it happens, jetways became common about the same time jets appeared. Once they were common, with one jetway per gate, all the planes had to be able to load from the left. But pics of 1950s propliners usually show them loading from stairs on the left too-- did DC-6s and 749s have small doors on th...

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by timz
Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Eastern at HVN with DC-9 & 727 - When?
Replies: 38
Views: 3767

Re: Eastern at HVN with DC-9 & 727 - When?

12/67 OAG shows two flights a day HVN-ILG-DCA, a morning 727 and afternoon DC9. Apparently the 1973-74 flights were jets-- Airport Activity Statistics for 1973 shows 567 EA 727-100 departures during the year, 307 DC-9-30, 5 727-200 and one DC-9-10. No Electras. The 1968 AOPA directory says HVNs long...

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by timz
Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Historical list of UA 747 service
Replies: 33
Views: 4117

Re: Historical list of UA 747 service

Turns out no 747s departed from Rochester in 1984 or 1985, according to Airport Activity Statistics. If somebody has a 12/84 OAG they can probably confirm that the 747 supposedly scheduled into Rochester never departed from there.

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by timz
Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Historical list of UA 747 service
Replies: 33
Views: 4117

Re: Historical list of UA 747 service

Looks like the Chicago-Rochester 747 didn't really happen. The 1/85 Pocket OAG shows a 747 SEA-ORD-ROC or PDX-ORD-ROC -- all 747s to ROC to end after 6 Jan. But can't find any 747s departing ROC-- the alleged arrival was at 2245, so it probably didn't continue east, and it isn't shown returning to C...

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by timz
Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Historical list of UA 747 service
Replies: 33
Views: 4117

Re: Historical list of UA 747 service

Airport Activity Statistics shows no UA 747s at Rochester in 1984. The online 1985 issue at hathitrust.org isn't complete-- anyone got a paper copy?

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by timz
Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When did Egyptair stop flying to LAX?
Replies: 16
Views: 3146

Re: When did Egyptair stop flying to LAX?

Assume it was a mistake, but at one point the OAG showed it nonstop LAX-CAI. Guess it would be the longest-ever 767 nonstop if it were true.

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by timz
Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How large was AA at JFK at its peak?
Replies: 13
Views: 4134

Re: How large was AA at JFK at its peak?

Turns out AA/TW had 95 weekday departures in August 2001-- 57 AA departures in 1967.

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by timz
Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:41 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Fastest drag racer, etc?
Replies: 6
Views: 441

Fastest drag racer, etc?

What are the all-time records for least elapsed time for a standing-start quarter-mile? For any object carrying a person, and For any wheeled vehicle carrying a person, and For any vehicle carrying a person and powered by its wheels? I guess Colonel Stapp likely has the first record, but no idea abo...

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by timz
Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How large was AA at JFK at its peak?
Replies: 13
Views: 4134

Re: AA at JFK at its peak?

Offhand guess: a late 1960s timetable is the one to check.

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by timz
Sun Oct 29, 2017 8:36 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Longest-ever scheduled nonstop airline flight?
Replies: 18
Views: 4288

Longest-ever scheduled nonstop airline flight?

Longest by so-called great circle distance, I mean. Has Singapore's flight to Newark ever been beat? When did it end? Was it always an A340-500?

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by timz
Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:26 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: LAX - Runways 24/25 Question
Replies: 12
Views: 1285

Re: LAX - Runway 25

Dunno when PA began flying the B377 out of LAX-- probably? after 25L was extended to 6000 ft circa 1950. Sepulveda Blvd looped around the west end of the runway, and it seems it looped around the west end of the 8300-ft runways until the tunnel in 1953.

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by timz
Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SFO Flying Tigers hangar circa '70?
Replies: 8
Views: 917

Re: SFO Flying Tigers hangar circa '70?

The pair of tan quonset huts, beyond "United" on the 727's fuselage, looks to still be east of the PA/FT hangar on the 1968 and 1980 pics at historicaerials.com-- probably not on any later one. Certainly not there now. Where are the B29S-B29N monument quonsets in United's area? (Maybe B29N...

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by timz
Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SFO Flying Tigers hangar circa '70?
Replies: 8
Views: 917

Re: SFO Flying Tigers hangar circa '70?

http://www.flysfo.com/museum/aviation-m ... tion/15325

so Flying Tigers took over Pan Am's old hangar?
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It seems Pan Am built their south-side hangar in 1963

http://www.flysfo.com/museum/aviation-m ... tion/15325

so Flying Tigers took over Pan Am's old hangar?

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by timz
Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:48 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: LAX - Runways 24/25 Question
Replies: 12
Views: 1285

Re: LAX - Runways 24/25 Question

dfwjim1 wrote:
compass reading 240 comes "before" 250

60 comes before 70, so by that reasoning the present numbering is correct.

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by timz
Wed Oct 18, 2017 5:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SFO Flying Tigers hangar circa '70?
Replies: 8
Views: 917

Re: SFO Flying Tigers hangar circa '70?

The hangar is at the bottom of this pic http://www.flysfo.com/museum/aviation-museum-library/collection/15972 Closer view (when it was a Pan Am hangar?) http://www.flysfo.com/museum/aviation-museum-library/collection/14966 Dunno what the background dirtpile is-- I-380 was built later. The double-arc...

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by timz
Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:13 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airlines that have served all 5 LA-basin airports
Replies: 34
Views: 3706

Re: SI at all 5 LA-basin airports

Don't see any Jet America flights at LAX in 2/87 or 8/87-- just LGB and SNA.

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by timz
Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:08 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airlines that have served all 5 LA-basin airports
Replies: 34
Views: 3706

Re: Airlines at all 5 LA-basin airports

BoeingGuy wrote:
I'm pretty sure WA did serve all 5 airports at one time.

At the same time, you mean? WA started SNA in October 1980-- right? When did they fly to LGB after that?

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by timz
Thu Sep 28, 2017 5:17 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airlines that have served all 5 LA-basin airports
Replies: 34
Views: 3706

Re: Airlines at all 5 LA-basin airports

In April 1988 AA, UA, TW, DL, HP, PS and AS jets flew to all five.

In Aug 1989, CO and US. In 1969, Air West.

I'm guessing never Western or RC/NW, or pre-1987 DL.

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by timz
Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:33 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airlines that have served all 5 LA-basin airports
Replies: 34
Views: 3706

Re: Airlines at all 5 LA-basin airports

American, Delta, and Southwest all currently serve all 5 LA basin airports (LAX, BUR, LGB, SNA, and ONT). Guess he means Southwest, and American or its partner, and Delta or its partner. If the original post was asking about the airline itself, not including partners-- which airlines served all fiv...

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by timz
Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:29 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Historical Instrument Approach Charts
Replies: 2
Views: 569

Re: Old Approach Charts

https://www.flickr.com/photos/12530375@N08

I have a few paper charts for US airports, but they're probably too old for you too-- 1990s and earlier.
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Guess you're not looking for stuff this old

https://www.flickr.com/photos/12530375@N08

I have a few paper charts for US airports, but they're probably too old for you too-- 1990s and earlier.

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by timz
Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why was PSA known as Poor Sailor's Airline?
Replies: 16
Views: 2817

Re: Why was PSA known as Poor Sailor's Airline?

Las Vegas to Los Angeles — $13.70 in 1955 [etc] Those are coach fares, and most flights had no coach seats in 1955. Also, add 10% federal tax to all domestic fares. Dunno how typical this was, but in October 1955 there was one coach nonstop LAX-LAS, a UA DC-6 leaving at 2005. TWA had one LAX-BUR-LA...

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by timz
Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why was PSA known as Poor Sailor's Airline?
Replies: 16
Views: 2817

Re: Poor Sailor's Airline?

An actual slogan? Why would Friedkin like that slogan?

Maybe a few people called it that at the time, or maybe the term originated later, among airline fans. Anyone found it in print circa 1955?

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by timz
Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First intercontinental landplane flights?
Replies: 11
Views: 1877

Re: First intercontinental landplane flights?

Think it was called History of the World's Airlines-- came out around 1962. See pages 222-23 and 319.

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by timz
Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First intercontinental landplane flights?
Replies: 11
Views: 1877

Re: First intercontinental landplane flights?

So no one's found a scheduled passenger flight before 1945-- I'd have agreed, but Davies says LATI flew weekly SM83s Rome to Rio starting in December 1939. He says they flew Sal to Natal-- that's 2800+ km.

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by timz
Sat Aug 26, 2017 5:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First intercontinental landplane flights?
Replies: 11
Views: 1877

First intercontinental landplane flights?

What civil airline was the first to schedule regular transoceanic passenger flights on heavier-than-air landplanes? (I almost said "intercontinental", but I guess Singapore to Australia would count there.) I would have said it was AOA in late 1945, but Davies says it was earlier than that....

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by timz
Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:43 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Some scans of old aero charts
Replies: 36
Views: 4595

Re: Some scans of old aero charts

Three places with some online charts: https://historicalcharts.noaa.gov/ has a bunch of sectionals from 1932-36: Dallas, Elko, Fargo, Glacier Park, Grand Jct, Los Angeles, Oklahoma City, Roswell, Salina, San Antonio, San Diego, San Francisco, Seattle, Shreveport, Sioux City, Spokane, Trinidad, Tulsa...

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by timz
Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why is Monday Day 1 in IATA?
Replies: 47
Views: 6679

Re: Why is Monday Day 1 in IATA?

Looks like the ABC Guide started using 1 for Monday in 1946-47. Did any air or rail or other timetable use numerals for weekdays before that?

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by timz
Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pan Am in Brasil
Replies: 7
Views: 1431

Re: Pan Am in Brasil

VC10er wrote:
What kind of aircraft did PanAm use to fly non-stop from CGH to JFK?

You remember Viracopos-- that was Pan Am's airport before GRU.

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by timz
Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why is Monday Day 1 in IATA?
Replies: 47
Views: 6679

Re: Why is Monday Day 1 in IATA?

I'm guessing Monday has been 1 in airline timetables since before IATA existed. Anyone got a 1930s ABC Guide?

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by timz
Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Potential accident involving AC 759 prevented at SFO.
Replies: 264
Views: 58572

Re: Potential accident involving AC 759 prevented at SFO.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/faa-changes-san-francisco-landing-procedures-after-a-440380/ It seems that the incident did lead to changes in procedures. Two controllers instead of one in the tower The second controller... watches every landing to see what they're lined up on? So best p...

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by timz
Wed Aug 16, 2017 5:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What kind of business jet is this?
Replies: 28
Views: 6210

Re: What kind of business jet is this?

89 dB at 6500 meters from start of takeoff roll-- would a Lear 25 not be high enough for that? Or is the 94-dB sideline rule too tough?

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by timz
Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:42 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Some scans of old aero charts
Replies: 36
Views: 4595

Re: Some scans of old aero charts

WACs appeared around 1945-- before that the 1:1000000 charts were called Regional Charts. Western US, 44 to 49 deg latitude, west of 114 deg longitude, 1941 https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/eb01ba63-f6fc-4418-9138-7c1537940ea8 Western US, 38 to 44 deg latitude, west of 114 deg longitude, 1941 htt...

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by timz
Mon Aug 14, 2017 5:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Identification of an obscure 1930s type...
Replies: 4
Views: 1040

Re: Stinson

Looks like American Airlines-- or maybe American Airways. One or both had Stinsons.

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by timz
Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:16 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Some scans of old aero charts
Replies: 36
Views: 4595

Re: Some scans of old aero charts

WACs, latitude 36 to 32, east to Dallas: Mojave Desert https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/d01f96cc-fa34-4b92-93c4-85b39fd941d4 Gila River https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/c2aa3964-c1e4-43f4-bdbc-a46abf0882dd Estacado Plain https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/383f5ba3-bb2b-4525-98d5-8659ef04a135 ...

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by timz
Wed Aug 09, 2017 11:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Just a Matter of Time: SWA will be Largest US carrier
Replies: 71
Views: 10812

Re: Just a Matter of Time: SWA will be Largest US carrier

atl100million wrote:
UA''s domestic system carried 71.3 million domestic RPMs and 54 million more international RPMs.

Billion, you mean.

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by timz
Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:28 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Some scans of old aero charts
Replies: 36
Views: 4595

Re: Some scans of old aero charts

https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/5ee ... cffaf62e87

Chicago 1967 https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/a26 ... 1e8558972e

Miami 1964 https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/62a ... c1648f7cce
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Three local charts:

Los Angeles 1965 https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/5ee ... cffaf62e87

Chicago 1967 https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/a26 ... 1e8558972e

Miami 1964 https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/62a ... c1648f7cce

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by timz
Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flight schedules of westbound PA round the world flight ?
Replies: 14
Views: 2128

Re: westbound PA round the world

BostonBeau wrote:
timz wrote:
Far as we can tell, HKG-LHR was the only no-local-passenger city pair.

Plus, of course, LAX-JFK and vv

Flight 1 wasn't allowed to carry passengers LAX to JFK via Tehran... yeah, the timetable might have said that somewhere.

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by timz
Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:13 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Some scans of old aero charts
Replies: 36
Views: 4595

Re: Some scans of old aero charts

WACs, latitude 40 to 36 degrees east from the Sierra: Mt Whitney 1945 https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/4344aa95-639a-4921-8a46-1cbedddd387f -- back is different from the later charts Bryce Canyon https://files.acrobat.com/a/preview/a30f04b8-ed8a-45bb-855d-0375f0bd0f6f Sangre de Cristo https://fil...

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by timz
Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flight schedules of westbound PA round the world flight ?
Replies: 14
Views: 2128

Re: westbound PA round the world

The Monday morning departure from LAX would leave Tehran Wednesday morning and arrive JFK Wednesday afternoon.

Far as we can tell, HKG-LHR was the only no-local-passenger city pair.

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by timz
Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flight schedules of westbound PA round the world flight ?
Replies: 14
Views: 2128

Re: schedules of PA round the world

My mistake-- PA 1 left HNL daily at 1300.

I happened to notice PA 1 couldn't carry local passengers HKG-LHR.

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by timz
Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flight schedules of westbound PA round the world flight ?
Replies: 14
Views: 2128

Re: PA round the world

30 October 1977 timetable says flight 1 left LAX 0815 XFr, arrived HNL 1145. HNL lv 1145 daily Tokyo arr 1650 lve 1800 daily HKG arr 2140 lv 2300 daily Delhi arr 0350 lv 0500 five days a week Karachi arr 0415 lv 0525 the other two days Tehran arr 0725 lv 0855 daily FRA arr 1120 lv 1225 daily LHR arr...

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