Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Without going back through all these pages I have to agree. The 380 is a success. I mean it killed the 748 orders and begot technology for the 350 and won plenty of orders even if it wasnt the 1000 promised. Its ugly but you still like to watch it go. Or did the 748 steal enough 380 orders to doom ...

Re: How did Airlines Fill up Large Widebodies in the Old days?

Another factor is that most flights back then were not even close to daily. Many were once a week, some even once a month and most topped out at 3x weekly. That has since changed. Yes, in the early 70s even hot markets only saw a few VLA flights a day, United had only one or two daily 747 flights t...

Re: KLM investing in TU Delft's Flying-V concept

Here is what Boeing’s VP of Product Development and Future Airplane Development. said about passenger BWB planes in 2018: “A BWB works great because it’s got [wing] span. It’s got more empty weight than a tube-and-wing configuration for a revenue ton of cargo. It’s going to carry more operational em...

Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

So why did Boeing decide to launch the 748 if the decisions were so obvious for us armchair CEO's? Boeing had the right forecasts, they knew Airbus overestimated the market and they had the ideal replacement for the 747 in production with the 77W, and yet they decided to spaff a few billion on a pr...

Re: How did Airlines Fill up Large Widebodies in the Old days?

Another factor is that most flights back then were not even close to daily. Many were once a week, some even once a month and most topped out at 3x weekly. That has since changed. Yes, in the early 70s even hot markets only saw a few VLA flights a day, United had only one or two daily 747 flights t...

Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Here is the way I see it 748- Low risk-low reward with the possibility of doing financial damage to Airbus VLA program (Every 747 sale hurt the 380 program) 380- High risk-low reward with no possibility of doing financial damage to Boeing VLA program (747 sales would not have benefited much with the...

Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

Based on the unreal a.net post count on whatever A380-related topic, I think one can say that the program has been a huge success. :bigthumbsup: The A380 has always triggered a very emotional response. It is an extremely interesting phenomenon that could potentially be the subject of a psychologica...

Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

A programme that cost a sh*tload of money ; 25-30 bn only 250 units sold at a "digestible" loss (as Tom Enders described it) out of 1300 estimated the whole mega project depending on one custumers (EK) which bought the half of the global fleet very big aircraft that only few airports with...

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

At the time of the 747's development in the late 60s, most longhaul flights were multi-stop routes due to 707 and DC8 range limitations. The 747-100's payload-range curve was almost an exact profile match of the 707-320B, just stretched vertically. San Francisco to Tokyo was possible for both types...

Re: Emirates is exploring switching the Airbus A380 to A350

For the masses the "Jumbo Jet" was always about transporting people not some cheap Chinese electronics flying from some obscure freight hub to another. The A380 indeed ended the plane that captured the imagination of people before - the 747 passenger with the last version utterly failing ...

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Agree with the comments praising its unparalleled comfort (imho) for the traveling public - smoothness of the overall ride/passenger experience. Sad to see the manufacturer having to give up the line. Nothing praiseworthy in its demise as some of the posters here make it seem... The same could have...

Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

FlightLevel360 wrote:

This is the stupidest move in all of aviation history. They will regret it.
Shame to the airline CEOs who listen to wall street and didn't buy the A380.

Re: Boeing monopoly on the VLA market?

New airplanes market is funny. Ten years ago everyone wanted the A380 and a new version of the B747. So both A and B developed those two planes. One from scratch, with an investment so big A could be gone bankrupt, thankfully A320Neo family and A350 keeped them with the head out of the water. Also ...

Re: Air France will half it's A380 fleet

Do you have any evidence that refutes it? Most airlines put the brakes on the A-380 purchases as they realized Airbus called it wrong on what the market would be. I have no intention bashing Airbus; they called it right with the A-350. You state as a fact that "this was vanity purchase directe...

Re: Bloomberg: A380-Saving Emirates Deal Is Stalled Due to Engine Impasse

Hmm, mid November and still no signed A380 RR engine deal... That is not true at all. I am sorry to inform you that it is absolutely true. This is basically common knowledge. SSTs were to replace it within 10 years and relegate it to its intended purpose, as a freighter and a poor mans VLA passenge...

Re: Bloomberg: A380-Saving Emirates Deal Is Stalled Due to Engine Impasse

The 747 was designed as a freighter first and foremost, . That is not true at all. I am sorry to inform you that it is absolutely true. This is basically common knowledge. SSTs were to replace it within 10 years and relegate it to its intended purpose, as a freighter and a poor mans VLA passenger a...

Re: Why has AA just kept holding onto their MD80's?

Forgive me if I missed this in previous posts, but aside from being paid for, cheap fuel, etc. the bottom line is that the DC-9 and all its variants are simply excellent aircraft, one of the best ever built. The fact that it is overbuilt to accommodate the engines mounted to the fuse, and the many a...

Re: Bloomberg: A380-Saving Emirates Deal Is Stalled Due to Engine Impasse

It is a chance for all 3 parties to end the A380 disaster. RR can close a production line and focus resources on the newer engines, Airbus can close the production line and gets room for at least another A320 series line. EK can downsize the fleet with 777s instead of A380s. That makes perfect sens...

Re: Bloomberg: A380-Saving Emirates Deal Is Stalled Due to Engine Impasse

In the end, the A-380 is a plane designed for a market that does not exist. Airbus forecast a market for 1,200 VLA planes and expected the A-380 to grab the bulk of those orders. Airbus was right that the bulk of the VLA orders was grabbed by the A-380 but dead wrong on the fact that there was a 1,...

Re: A380 - Two VERY Different Views of the Future

222 A380s have been delivered with a backlog of 108 as of 31 March. As of 30 June 708 787s have been delivered and 1377 total have been ordered. 326 77X have been ordered, so it is already close to topping the A380 before first flight. Boeing's prediction was pretty low, but Airbus's was way too op...

Re: What are Sully and Skiles doing now? (2018)

I saw an episode of American Pickers where the guys go to an aviation museum and Skiles greets them and gives them a tour. They didn't know who he was until the told them he was the guy in the other seat. He is involved in that museum and seemed to be really in to it. They were in Oshkosh WI

Re: Boeing admits 747 has no future as a pax model

How could anyone be surprised, this isn't even news. When it was first introduced Boeing said the pax version was a stop gap to something else. It's continued success was not planned and not completely expected. At the time i think SST was the goal not a 50 year 747 passenger version run.

Re: Should UA Bring 752s Out of Desert

If you have viable aircraft that you can't purchase anymore. At least store them don't sell. Dont tell me a 737-900 with tail stand and all does 95% of what a 757 does. Has anyone ever been on a 737 you hold your breath because they take up so much runway. I've been on plenty of 737-900s, and I've ...

Re: How many 787s have been delivered? 787 Reliability ?

That would fit the timescale. But perhaps not the agenda. Nonetheless, nobody likes to see technical issues on airframes at this stage, though I'm sure at some level they always happen. That's just how it is. Posters here wax on about how the 777 was fantastic from day one but the truth is that fro...

Re: Boeing mulls further stretch on 777, a 777-10X

Is it really "Boeing mulling" or more like "EK demanding" ? Airbus' refusal to do 380neo definitely gave Boeing an opening to kill the 380 once and for all, which will be regrettable since from a pax perspective, the 380 is far more quiet than the 777. How can you kill the A380 ...

Re: Plane Crash Archeology