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by Jshank83
Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WW ending STL, CVG, CLE
Replies: 127
Views: 11717

Re: WW ending STL (for now)

Or it’s not being discussed there because this small seasonal suspension got its own sub thread. Again, if people are going to just repost everything I post into separate threads then scan OAG yourself and I won’t have to. Jesus, people sure do get defensive about their threads here (now this has d...

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by Jshank83
Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

https://www.kmov.com/news/wow-air-pulli ... a06ef.html
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Decent watch/read.

KMOV talked to a airline consultant about WOW/STL.

https://www.kmov.com/news/wow-air-pulli ... a06ef.html

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by Jshank83
Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018
Replies: 2039
Views: 120126

Re: Indianapolis Aviation Thread - 2018

2. Add IND AMS service on a seasonal basis for additional connecting opportunities provided by AMS. This is exactly what I think is most likely. I will openly admit that I am from IND and I live in AMS - so without any doubt I have some bias. I try my best to shed this bias when discussing such a t...

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WW ending STL, CVG, CLE
Replies: 127
Views: 11717

Re: WW ending STL

I believe that the people who are insisting that high demand at STL exists are incorrect. Demand is elastic and it changes based on price. I think the very low prices charged by WW stimulated demand in STL that otherwise wouldn't exist. I think that demand will be lower even if Icelandair or Norweg...

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WW ending STL, CVG, CLE
Replies: 127
Views: 11717

Re: WW ending STL

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 659892002/
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Sounds like DFW and JFK could be gone also, undecided.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/f ... 659892002/

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

I am not going to get too upset about this if they were expecting 90% loads like they are stating. I wouldn't have expected us to hit 90% on an airline not many have heard in the first year. First month or two maybe but after the initial people excited about it calms down I feel like asking for 90% ...

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

I’m just most ticked that I didn’t get to take a trip to Iceland because of it. Hopefully someone else will come fill the opening. We’ll see Just look for one of their sales and then cart yourself up to ORD and fly Ice Air. Entirely worth it. FI is at MCI too. Easier drive and less hassle that ORD!...

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WW ending STL, CVG, CLE
Replies: 127
Views: 11717

Re: WW ending STL

Certainly does not look good for STL's TATL ambitions, considering WW characterized it as a disappointment. The demand is there it is just a matter of getting BA to bite. I am just a little confused why they would add frequencies if loads weren't where they wanted on top of telling the airport sale...

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1396
Views: 113234

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

https://twitter.com/ChrisNagusKMOV/stat ... 5896118275
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CLE and CVG getting axed as well.

Apparently WOW wasn't happy with the loads from any of them.

https://twitter.com/ChrisNagusKMOV/stat ... 5896118275

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The rest of Ohio - 2018
Replies: 1572
Views: 129302

Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

https://twitter.com/ChrisNagusKMOV/stat ... 5896118275
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Both CVG and CLE getting axed along with STL on WOW.

https://twitter.com/ChrisNagusKMOV/stat ... 5896118275

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WW ending STL, CVG, CLE
Replies: 127
Views: 11717

Re: WW ending STL

https://twitter.com/ChrisNagusKMOV/stat ... 5896118275
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CLE and CVG getting axed as well.

Apparently WOW wasn't happy with the loads from any of them.

https://twitter.com/ChrisNagusKMOV/stat ... 5896118275

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WW ending STL, CVG, CLE
Replies: 127
Views: 11717

Re: WW ending STL

For all those saying that WW will go away, and route XXX-KEF previously operated by WW will just be replaced by FI.... I have this question: What is different about FI that would allow FI to make money on XXX-KEF, whereas WW loses money operating that same route. My point is basically that if WW wa...

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

You know what, I'll give them credit for not following in the footsteps of the now defunct KEF carrier by letting us know the flight is canceled ahead of time. But I guess they set the bar so low that anything looks good now. Anyways, the numbers were high enough that, if WW survives, they will ret...

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

^^ actually though, I find it interesting that TWO KEF-based LLCs are going belly up at the same time, AND their flag carrier is doing horribly I am sure at least one will get saved. I would guess Icelandair would be the choice if they had to make one, they have been around longer. I still can't re...

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WW ending STL, CVG, CLE
Replies: 127
Views: 11717

Re: WW ending STL

Another article with this quote. Sounds like they were caught off for sure guard. “We had talked to them and they said, 'No, we will be loading the schedule here in the near future for the spring and summer,' said airport director Rhonda Hamm-Niebruegge. "So we were caught a little bit by surpr...

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WW ending STL, CVG, CLE
Replies: 127
Views: 11717

Re: WW ending STL (for now)

I am pretty surprised they aren't coming back for next summer. Makes me wonder if they will be coming back for any of the seasonal routes not on the schedule yet. CLE says WW is coming back in the spring, but hasn't stated when exactly. Up until today STL thought they were flying year round for 2 y...

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by Jshank83
Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WW ending STL, CVG, CLE
Replies: 127
Views: 11717

Re: WW ending STL

Also I am pretty sure STL wasn’t giving them any actual money. The subsidies were waived landing fees and marketing funding. I’m sure any marketing they already paid for is gone and I’ll be curious how landing fee payments will go now. I don’t know if they were refunding them back or just not collec...

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by Jshank83
Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

I’m just most ticked that I didn’t get to take a trip to Iceland because of it. Hopefully someone else will come fill the opening. We’ll see

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by Jshank83
Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WW ending STL, CVG, CLE
Replies: 127
Views: 11717

Re: WW ending STL (for now)

I am pretty surprised they aren't coming back for next summer. Makes me wonder if they will be coming back for any of the seasonal routes not on the schedule yet.

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by Jshank83
Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WW ending STL, CVG, CLE
Replies: 127
Views: 11717

Re: WW ending STL (for now)

kavok wrote:
With all of these suspensions, which WW destinations in the USA are still left operating over the winter? It seems like the majority of their USA operations have now been suspended for the winter.


BOS, ORD, DTW, LAX, EWR, PIT, MCO, BWI.

STL is part of winter if we want to get technical...

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by Jshank83
Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WW ending STL, CVG, CLE
Replies: 127
Views: 11717

Re: WW ending STL (for now)

I emailed the PR person at STL that I was looking to book a flight in Feb but all the fares jumped 10x. Got the response back that he would check into it. So, apparently they weren't aware of any change coming. I'll post whatever response I get back after they look into it.

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by Jshank83
Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Even if it is cut for Jan-marchish. It’s still good they kept it through December. I doubt they would do they if they weren’t bringing it back for summer.

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by Jshank83
Sun Oct 14, 2018 5:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's next for Allegiant? - discussion thread
Replies: 538
Views: 59842

Re: What's next for Allegiant? - discussion thread

Any word on new route announcements. When will Allegiant start International service. I know they are doing some International charters out of IND. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Allegiant's fleet will end the year at 77 aircraft after the fleet changeover is complete. That is the smallest nu...

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by Jshank83
Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Other cities can be booked into October 2019, STL and PIT only through March. That's not a good sign, is it? IIRC, didn't the airport require them to commit to the route for a couple years in exchange for the incentives? I don't know if it means much, it is kind of all over the place. SFO got cut f...

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by Jshank83
Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

michman wrote:
It looks similar to when a legacy zeros out all the fare buckets except for full Y which is generally a pre-cursor to a route suspension.


I wondered about this also, all fare types are still available they are just 10x more than normal. Just weird. Maybe I'll see if the airport knows anything.

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by Jshank83
Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

stl07 wrote:
^^
Call them up


I tweeted them and they just gave me the fares fluctuate based on demand line.

777PHX wrote:
Iceland in February. Sounds like a blast.


The wife wants to see the northern lights so we decided we would go up then. Low demand so fares and hotels are cheap.

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by Jshank83
Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

So really random, I have been looking at booking a flight to Iceland on WOW in February and now all of the sudden all the flights from early Jan through March are $1,119 each way. I have to assume it is some kind of glitch but it is really weird. It is almost like someone moved a decimal point over ...

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by Jshank83
Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Is STL-BOS only served by WN? If so, I bet F9 STL-PVD would do well. Yep, just WN. That is the one route I am surprised DL or JetBlue hasn't picked up also. WN keeps adding capacity to it though, which probably doesn't help one of the others start it. The fares are high on it for nonstop compared t...

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by Jshank83
Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Updated PDEW spreadsheet for 2018 Qtr 1. Biggest gainers YOY TPA SAN DEN LAS ATL Losers: PHX Chicago DC SAN SEA Top unserved routes Qtr 1 (average for last 12 months) ORF 45 (54) RIC 39 (46) ABQ 27 (38) RNO 27 (34) TUS 36 (34) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tOcqjJCt5JFPegCr4cxMobYx68YGHYAj...

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by Jshank83
Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:58 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Multi-airport cities: Best and worst airport-to-airport connections
Replies: 27
Views: 899

Re: Multi-airport cities: Best and worst airport-to-airport connections

I can think of one airport to airport connection in the US but its worthless. St Louis has metro link from Lambert to Mid-America but no-one is flying out of BLV except Allegiant and the air force as, it is also Scott AFB. Made even more pointless as STL is not a hub anyway so very few flyers are c...

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by Jshank83
Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Updated PDEW spreadsheet for 2018 Qtr 1. Biggest gainers YOY TPA SAN DEN LAS ATL Losers: PHX Chicago DC SAN SEA Top unserved routes Qtr 1 (average for last 12 months) ORF 45 (54) RIC 39 (46) ABQ 27 (38) RNO 27 (34) TUS 36 (34) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tOcqjJCt5JFPegCr4cxMobYx68YGHYAjq...

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Also, to go alcohol cups are now available at the airport. Can't take them out of security or on the plane.

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Listening to the airport commission meeting from this month. Southwest is in charge of the expansion in T2, not the airport. They will be doing all the bidding, etc. 9-12 months design 20 months for construction So that means at least 2 years before it opens. They will do the expansion before they r...

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Las Vegas as a hub for current US majors
Replies: 89
Views: 8142

Re: Las Vegas as a hub for current US majors

The may have a LOT of flights arriving at the same time, and even a constant flow of arrivals and departures, but my understanding is they don’t put much effort into timing many of those flights to optimize connections as opposed to minimizing aircraft time of the ground and gate utilization. Maybe...

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Las Vegas as a hub for current US majors
Replies: 89
Views: 8142

Re: Las Vegas as a hub for current US majors

But WN doesn’t really promote connections or do timed connecting banks. They absolutely have connecting banks. A look at any of their hub cities reveals such. Matter of fact they are almost identically timed to AA/DL/UA in cities where they overlap. The may have a LOT of flights arriving at the sam...

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going On In Nashville? - 2018
Replies: 1812
Views: 107167

Re: What's Going On In Nashville? - 2018

http://mediacentre.britishairways.com/p ... 3?ref=Home
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BA goes daily next summer.

http://mediacentre.britishairways.com/p ... 3?ref=Home

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA goes daily in Nashville in S19
Replies: 33
Views: 4712

Re: BA goes daily in Nashville in S19

http://mediacentre.britishairways.com/p ... 3?ref=Home
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Midwestindy wrote:
Congrats to BNA, hopefully the flight is upguaged in the future as well.


Do you have a source?


http://mediacentre.britishairways.com/p ... 3?ref=Home

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Las Vegas as a hub for current US majors
Replies: 89
Views: 8142

Re: Las Vegas as a hub for current US majors

To add to the WN comments... It seems like anytime I fly west and have to take a connection I almost always end up going through Vegas on WN. I usually want DEN but the LAS times are better or (more often) cheaper than Denver. So they push a lot of people through there.

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Network Thread 2018
Replies: 661
Views: 58645

Re: JetBlue Network Thread 2018

I really don't see B6 dropping ROC or SYR. They are not terrible performing markets and they keep B6 on the good side of Chuck Schumer. I doubt B6 wants to incur his wrath. I must out of the loop here, but because it has been mentioned several times, why does Schumer care where B6 flies? Why can't ...

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by Jshank83
Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

https://www.swamedia.com/magazine
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St. Louis is the feature city in the Southwest Magazine this month. Really puts us in a good light, one of the better articles I have read about the city.

Pages 50-69
https://www.swamedia.com/magazine

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by Jshank83
Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 1587
Views: 148775

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

So DE has updated FRA-MSY for 2019 and it will be returning at 2x weekly. Yet FRA-PIT is still showing 2x weekly starting 6/28/19. I think it's safe to say that will be the frequency we'll be stuck with for next summer. A bit of a shame, but I can definitely see why. DL increasing capacity, being d...

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by Jshank83
Fri Oct 05, 2018 2:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

I’m there at the morning rush. 6am -9am. The TSA agents just move slowly and distract themselves with conversation. So it goes slow. Not sure you need another line. You just need to process people faster. What really irks me is that the TSA Pre-Check lines are often longer than the regular ones. 90...

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by Jshank83
Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Primera Air bankruptcy
Replies: 185
Views: 35905

Re: Primera Air bankruptcy

https://twitter.com/JoeKCI/status/1047935257306173440
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One of their planes just arrived at MCI. I wonder what they are going to do with it? Someone else already lease/buy it?

YL-PSG

https://twitter.com/JoeKCI/status/1047935257306173440

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by Jshank83
Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

stlgph wrote:
TVNWZ wrote:
Yes. T2. Very Slow. Every time.


Funny. A few months ago I mentioned about expanding security lines in T2 and was promptly told it wasn't necessary.

:?


They just added an extra lane, but I have yet to see it open. I also haven't been there when it was swamped though.

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by Jshank83
Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Found the renderings for the new baggage claims area. Looks good. Extra concessions also. To bring this all back to the latest convo, Wn wouldn't be getting all this branding in T1 (assuming the branding stays). Putting their mark/money on T2 and not having to share has to be the biggest reason the...

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by Jshank83
Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Found the renderings for the new baggage claims area. Looks good. Extra concessions also. To bring this all back to the latest convo, Wn wouldn't be getting all this branding in T1 (assuming the branding stays). Putting their mark/money on T2 and not having to share has to be the biggest reason they...

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by Jshank83
Wed Oct 03, 2018 4:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

Because in theory this should have an effect on air travel. Convention center is getting upgrades. Both the city and county are working together to make it happen. Larger announcement later today. https://www.stltoday.com/business/local/bigger-and-better-st-louis-area-officials-to-announce-upgrades/...

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by Jshank83
Wed Oct 03, 2018 1:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

I also noticed Sun Country has added DFW as a one stop flight option on their website.

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

^at least old D has moving walkways, that helps. They also are putting the new baggage hub thing (whatever the technical name is) at the end of E24. So it will be pretty central if they add new gates further down D for loading and unloading luggage.

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by Jshank83
Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1201
Views: 88448

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

I got to thinking, with all of this flip-flopping terminal chat. Down the road, if WN continues to expand and in need of more room, would this remotely be an option for expanding? Don't mind the gate placements, just a quick photoshop snip. I know it is a pipe dream but with them quickly running ou...

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