What? No they are not. Forgive me if I am incorrect. That’s the take I got from it which was a bit weird. Idk why they would write it like they were leaving if they are in fact not? It is written in an awkward way but I believe the author is saying is they exiting 3 of more than 30 served (at least...
Jump to postEastern did operate LAX-PTY and LAX-BOG. They also flew PTY-IAH, PTY-MSY. From Kennedy they flew JFK-BOG, JFK-PTY and JFK-GYE. With L1011s and 757s, flights departed Eastern Air Lines terminal at Kennedy and used T-7 for International arrivals. The Kennedy-Latin America routes did not go to America...
Jump to postI wonder if the ORD-SJU Whisperliner flight in 1976 was the same redeye I took in December of 1973. Flew in and out of the island in style, returned to the mainland on an AA 747-123 to JFK Interestingly enough even as EA was downsizing all over ORD-SJU remained at least weekly until the strike in M...
Jump to postIs this DL's 3rd or 4th attempt at TPE? I may be wrong but it may only be the second. They flew it from NRT till 2017 DL flew to TPE during the PDX hub days..I think they had PDX-SEL-TPE, and/or also PDX-TPE-BKK. At one point DL had intended to build-out a small Asian hub in TPE similar to NW or UA...
Jump to postBy 1996 they were mostly in Southern Europe. They had already left BRU, aMS, ZRH. I dont know if they ever flew to DUB or MUC. I dont think they ever flew anywhere in the Americas south of Mexico. Lots of strange omissions besides the obvious LHR. Nothing to BRU, AMS, MUC, ZRH, DUB. Then nothing so...
Jump to postWait, wasn't PA flying MIA/DTW-LGW till the end? These two routes were transferred to Delta on November 1, 1991 along with the sale of the Atlantic division. Only MIA-CDG remained in PA hands. In fact UA had wanted the MIA-LHR authority earlier that year but IIRC was blocked by Britsh authorities w...
Jump to postWow, interesting idea. I do think prior to the cancellation of PA 1/2 (which was under Acker ironically) much of the BKK traffic from the Us was routed via DEL rather than via HNL/HKG. So that piece could have worked. Jakarta and Singapore also. New Zealand and Australia I doubt. But maybe would hav...
Jump to postThere’s a Saudia 77W at MIA. No idea for what. This, from the Caribbean Aviation - 2023 , https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1479963 forum recently: I bet that this is bad journalism. There was a CARICOM Saudi Arabia conference. As usual emerging nations look at CARICOM's 14 vo...
Jump to postAny chance with G4 (Re)launching MCO, that MIA may be added soon? They’ve been adding more primary airports since Covid and at FLL have gone from maybe 6-8 destinations to close 30 between year-round and seasonal since Covid.
Jump to postAnyone think this may have been a preemptive move to protect some of their larger Orlando markets from an entrance from either Breeze or Avelo? These are the top 3 busiest routes from SFB according to BTS statistics. Yes. My theory is this was Avelo and Breeze driven. As the first G4 foray to MCO w...
Jump to postG4 launching FLL to Traverse City on May 17.
Allegiant seems to be doing OK on the point-to-point Midwestern routes from Fort Lauderdale.
One gaping hole from my vantage point in AA's route structure from MIA is the lack of an MXP flight. Been gone since Covid.
What are the prospects of it returning?
Breeze is growing quite rapidly at TPA and MCO. They have a handful of weekly flights to PBI but nothing substantial. Serving VRB now also.
At some point you would think they'd have to open FLL or MIA, correct? Or at least try to grow PBI beyond weekend and seasonal flights?
Add me to the camp that definitely does NOT think FLL is dying. WN’s issues are exactly that, WN’s issues. I think the problem they have in FLL is that it’s a competitive market where WN is not necessarily at top of mind. As such, people are less likely to seek out WN fares when they can just check...
Jump to postSimilar to Allegiant really in terms of crew staffing, etc
Jump to postFLL isn't dying. WN's strategy in FLL hasn't worked out as they expected. Similar case in PHL Unfortunately, it is. Lost multiple carriers to MIA, carriers that only flew to FLL domestic are now at MIA, they can’t maintain European service, multiple airlines canceling routes. The list goes on and o...
Jump to postFLL seems to be a dying breed. FLL isn't dying. WN's strategy in FLL hasn't worked out as they expected. Similar case in PHL Unfortunately, it is. Lost multiple carriers to MIA, carriers that only flew to FLL domestic are now at MIA, they can’t maintain European service, multiple airlines canceling...
Jump to postNK starting FLL-TQO in March.
I’d expect AA to start MIA-TQO soon as well.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 70496.html
FLL seems to be a dying breed. Agreed. Only airline showing FLL any interest recently is G4. PBI even doing better in terms of new mainline/network domestic and international dead from FLL. Outside of NK who has major engine issues with P&W for much of its fleet. I know for a fact B6 is still v...
Jump to postWN is closing its FLL Latin gateway in June. That leaves five international gates with customs open. Big loss for BCAD you’d think. FLL seems to be a dying breed. Agreed. Only airline showing FLL any interest recently is G4. PBI even doing better in terms of new mainline/network domestic and intern...
Jump to postWN is closing its FLL Latin gateway in June. That leaves five international gates with customs open. Big loss for BCAD you’d think.
Jump to postI believe DL Connection did runs to FLL and MCO at one point in the mid-80's. Comair.
Jump to postFloridaMakos wrote:Was told this won’t be Saudia. However, Saudia is still in the works
JetBlue giving up 5 gates at FLL if (big if) merger with NK goes through.
Any thoughts who might pinch those gates?
Porter Airlines is expected to announce both Miami and Fort Lauderdale soon. you mean orlando and Fort Lauderdale. No miami Being reported to be MIA, FLL, TPA, RSW and MCO https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/1691559743439937562 Looks like his MCO FLL clue was about Ottawa service. So MIA gets YYZ a...
Jump to postEl Al will adjust its South Florida operation to a split operation starting April 15th. Overall service to Miami will increase from 6w to 7w but MIA will lose one frequency to FLL (5w MIA / 2w FLL). Mondays there will be one flight to each, the Friday arrival/Saturday evening departure (El Al does ...
Jump to postSwiss has loaded back it's second daily Miami-Zurich frequency, finally returning after being suspended post-COVID. Starts November 10 with an A330-300. Here's Miami's trans-Atlantic schedule for winter 2023/24. An average of 30 flights each day to 24 airports. Air France, British Airways, Iberia, ...
Jump to postDo you guys think Avelo or Breeze will try MIA? or will they be bound to FLL? Breeze has already cut back PBI to just a few flights a week. They are bound to try MIA or FLL at some point. Avelo has tried a few different destinations from FLL and PBI. So far only Wilmington and New Haven have been r...
Jump to postFloridaMakos wrote:United mainline will now be operating to Key West with 737-700s on all their routes.
EWR, IAD, IAH, and ORD.
Porter Airlines is expected to announce both Miami and Fort Lauderdale soon. you mean orlando and Fort Lauderdale. No miami Being reported to be MIA, FLL, TPA, RSW and MCO https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/1691559743439937562 YYZ-FLL has an insane number of airlines flying. Air Canada Air Transat...
Jump to postPlease bring back TPA-AMS or TPA-CDG if adding at AMS is problematic. This! Or maybe FLL-AMS/CDG so they can capture more if the SoFla market without actually making it look like they’re trying to stick it to AA by adding a route like out of MIA instead. I know MIA is their main focal point when it...
Jump to postFrontier is renewing FLL-CLE
https://www.wkyc.com/article/travel/fro ... 158cfaba71
I believe MIA-CLE is still flown on F9?
Significantly though UA still does FLL-CLE despite the CLE hub pull-down years ago.
Frontier beginning FLL-PHX in November-
https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-a ... op-routes/
AA is adding a 2nd MIA-SEA from Dec 15 thru Jan 09 MIA 8:30A SEA 12:13P MIA 7:30P SEA 9:44P SEA 12:15A MIA 8:53A SEA 1:02P MIA 9:44P That’s interesting. Didn’t AS also add a second SEA-MIA flight? Yes. Also I expect DL will enter this market sooner rather than later. Yep, assume by next summer espe...
Jump to postNorse Atlantic beginning Fort Lauderdale-Berlin in December. Three times weekly. Frontier starting Miami-Chicago MDW and Fort Lauderdale-Las Vegas November 5. Denver-West Palm Beach also being resumed in December. Also I saw on December 15, Azul is launching Fort Lauderdale-Manaus on social media, b...
Jump to postThough it should be noted, PA had a pretty good thing working with AL at JFK, that got ripped up when PA bought NA. That's an interesting 'what if'. A rapidly-expanding, newly-renamed Allegheny-into-USAir (name change in October 1979) merging into Pan Am would've been interesting, and might have do...
Jump to postNA was based in MIA and had a large operation at JFK, the two airports PA needed domestic feed at. I don't think NA was very big at JFK at all at the time of the merger.... In one of the final National timetables (dated May 1, 1979), their schedule from JFK consisted of: Amsterdam (1x daily) Miami ...
Jump to postThe route map surprised me, why would Braniff have several trans Atlantic routes out of BOS? Apart from that, reading through this thread had me wondering if Braniff would have been a more suitable airline for PanAm to merge with than National. Wasn't NA already loaded with problems by the time PA ...
Jump to postI remember reading that Icahn saddled TW with a bad ticketing agreement that allowed his website to sell tickets on TW at rates lower than what TW would normally offer. Did that agreement include international destinations such as Rome and Madrid? IIRC it only excluded routes that touched STL, so i...
Jump to postAt the inception of the agreement, only Pan Am and TWA had the additional access to serve LHR. Slight correction, but there were initially 3 US carriers allowed to serve LHR, PA, TW, and NA. I believe NAs only route was MIA-LHR. When NA merged with PA, the authority went to PA and BII was renegotia...
Jump to postNot quite related to the topic author's question, but I believe TWA did fly from JFK to LGW, alongside the JFK-LHR service it operated, in the mid-1980s. Believe the LGW route was flown with an L1011 and it didn't last long. Another odd-ball TWA route was an additional frequency operated to LHR wit...
Jump to postTWA after it was purchased by Icahn was a declining airline for years, the Heathrow sale to AA in two stages was its major setback. First AA purchased ORD to London for $195 million and they went back for the rest Boston, LAX and JFK after for $445 million. AA also got Miami to LHR for free since, ...
Jump to postI am so surprised to see that TW only London service in 2000, before the AA merger, was STL-LGW. Why no JFK-LGW service as well? Did another airline fly that route? I know TW sold their LHR routes to AA and others, but why not keep a presence in JFK to LGW? I would think there would be a market. I ...
Jump to postI remember Dubai in 1992. Compared to what it is today, It was a sandbox with growing potential. Considering that EK was founded in 1985, with a single A300, and its growth into a super-connector originated in the late 1990s, not surprising DXB wasn't served in the 1980s and as others have said, it...
Jump to postIn the event of a merger what would be most likely; ACY base merges with PHL/TTN Both of the ACY and PHL/TTN continue to operate separately ACY base closes ACY has some history with Spirit and has been fairly successful for many years. Does the new Spirit/Frontier decide to shift some its flights f...
Jump to postThat T-5 project in FLL just got a lot more interesting to me. With only Spirit there right now and the consolidated airline more than likely attempting to build up MIA since they’re both there at the moment, I wonder if a 5 gate, 50 flight per day operation at FLL is all they’ll really need now. T...
Jump to postI’m curious what nk/F9 will Impact FLL. They are both made additions to Mia. And if f9 is at the helm, it will be interesting since F9 is always a bit fickle when they open a route to quickly pull back. Now with the added debt from the merger, I wonder if they will think it’s more feasable to just ...
Jump to postI wonder which brand will survive? I’m leaning towards Spirit as they’ve had such a large international footprint for years, plus in major U.S markets, I’d say that more people know the name Spirit than Frontier (unless you live in Denver) due to overall frequency of flights. But of course I could ...
Jump to postUhhhhhh, not sure how this will pass the anti-trust sniff test, F9 and NK are quite literally the only ULCCs in dozens of markets. That said, I'm not worried about competition. Allegiant and Breeze will still grow. There are some more adds that G4 could make out of DEN, FLL, LAS, SFB, and PIE to im...
Jump to postNot what I was expecting waking up this morning Nor I. This makes sense. The strategies are similar. Frontier and Spirit to merge creating 5th largest airline in U.S.... the business terms of the merger. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/07/frontier-and-spirit-to-merge-creating-5th-largest-airline-in-us...
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