Even though it's a real soft 'maybe', it's still nice to see/hear that PR has at least been thinking/wondering about MNL-SAN in some form. I appreciate reading this discussion with some folks quite familiar with the issues concerning the potential route. (And it's a pleasure to have the Devil' himse...Jump to post
Thanks for all the great updates on int'l prospects for SAN Amador' . I hope you will be willing and able to keep us here on the SAN thread updated about these topics. Although none of the possibilities is close to 'a sure thing', I find it encouraging that there are so many 'maybes'. And I think we...Jump to post
Could this lead to a possible Hainan PEK-FLL to connect with the B6 hub to South America? Where the did you get FLL from. It's not in the article. I think 'FLL' came from the same place as all other potential US destinations discussed in this thread -- posters' minds. As I posted up-thread, the art...Jump to post
The article itself doesn't mention any of these "cities" that they're considering for expansion in 2018 but it is intriguing to think about the codeshares with AS (and B6) and what role they will play in HU's US expansion. They could simply mean that, for example, most of the AS network wo...Jump to post
Just read the thread about Hainan expansion in the US in 2018. SAN is mention frequently as a likely candidate for a direct flight to either Shanghai or Beijing; what do you guys think? Thanks for mentioning this subject here, gollum' ! I had no particular interest in reading the Hainana-thread you...Jump to post
Really not sure where you get your jfk rumors but ewr sjc is one of the worst performing transcon routes in as network. Why would they add one out of JFK. And as had the lowest average fares on nyc SAN of all carriers, why would they add a very unfavorable timed option out of JFK which have far mor...Jump to post
A couple of thoughts. Re: SJC-JFK on DL. I think this could be a pre-emptive move aimed at AAG. Rumors are out there that since AAG's move to T7 at JFK, with added room, AS might expand nontops to the west coast, in addition to LAX, SFO, SEA and PDX that are already served: I've definitely heard SAN...Jump to post
http://beatofhawaii.com/southwest-hawaii-airline-update/ Thanx for posting the link to the update, barney' . Nothing earthshaking but it's nice to hear the latest updates, and the fact that WN is apparently moving forward with Hawaii! Makes more sense on the WN addition of MSP-OAK, begin July 15th....Jump to post
I think the answer to the OP question might simply be $$. I know that MMH-service is subsidized by Mammoth (at least the route between SAN and MMH is) and I'd bet HDN-SAN is also subsidized (by Steamboat) and I'd guess that if MTJ likewise offered $$ to AS, we would see service there as well. Just m...Jump to post
The bottom line for travelers is that flying TIJ-GDL or MEX versus SAN to either is you don't pay ~$100 in Mexican and U.S. international travel taxes. It's really that simple. Starting about 1 month ago, AS has decided to find out for sure how important that $100 savings is to those flying from SA...Jump to post
As has been mentioned earlier in the thread, the CBX is most appropriate for Mexico travel from SoCal. I don't think it will ever become a viable option for int'l travel to other parts of the world. I don't really know the bottom-line costs comparison of travelling between, say, China and San Diego ...Jump to post
My guess would be that (eventually) HA might split a daily 321 flight out of SAN to LIH and KOA -- perhaps 3x/wkly to Kona and the other 4 days/wk to Kauai. There should be enough traffic to keep the flights running year-round. This is pretty much the path that AS followed with SAN-HI. And I would t...Jump to post
From what's been posted in the last couple of posts, maybe AC has enough French-Canadians these days flying to SAN that they requested ATS hire a French-fluent agent? (Or they've had one who left, and they need a replacement.) Just a guess. I would think that if AF (in some iteration) were thinking ...Jump to post
Summer flights between HNL - NRT and LAX - OGG will use A330 per the PR link. After re-reading the P R, I think you're right. (The wording of the P R is a bit tricky IMO.) My apologies for missing that. (I can't edit the OP so we're stuck with my incorrect words at the end of the second to the last...Jump to post
AFAIK, the SAN-HNL flight is remaining a widebody (A332) which is great. (Next May, when OGG begins, SAN-HNL is still flown with the A332.) That certainly continues to give HA an advantage over both AS and WN -- for those who like the idea of a 2-aisle plane for a 6-hour flight. I hope that remains ...Jump to post
This is being discussed on a couple of threads but I thought the news should have it's own more-visible thread. Beginning May 1, 2018, HA will begin SAN-OGG service using the A321Neo. There will be 4 other seasonal routes increases, inc HNL-NRT! Here's a link to the HA P R: https://newsroom.hawaiian...Jump to post
HA has tried SAN-OGG about 3 - 4 different times in the past (all with the 767s of course) but the Company never seemed committed to the route. (IMHO. I know that's not what some others have said.) One of the announced permanent and daily start-ups (in 2006) was shut down after a short time because ...Jump to post
I'm not sure if anyone has heard the news, Hawaiian will be starting up SAN-OGG with their brand new A321neo starting May-1 next year. I saw the announcement last night, but can't remember what website. This will be in addition to the SAN-HNL flight, (I'm hoping they'll keep the A330). Hey SANMAN' ...Jump to post
AS SMF-SJD JUN 0>0.2 JUL 0>0.1 Is this a new route? Saturday-only? Seasonal? No. Yes. Yea. (Assuming next year will be about the same as this year.) It was offered this year (2017) as a Saturday only r/t, and for only the peak summer months - mid-June thru late August. AFAIK, the route was never of...Jump to post
Hey SANFan, NK just added DTW-SAN like we predicted. I'm happy to see the announcement for sure, fly' . I'm extra pleased that all flights are daytime, but a bit disappointed that the route is indicated as 'seasonal', along with the fact that the service is not actually daily until June, despite th...Jump to post
Nice stuff! And most of the new routes are year-round too!
It's great to see AC continuing to grow their trans-border service to the U.S.
Regarding the talk about redeyes vs. daylight flights on AS, there's no doubt that evening departures from the w/c are less popular. However, as RWA380 pointed out, with essentially no aircraft time being used, a redeye can make a thin or marginal flight possible/successful. And I've seen evidence t...Jump to post
FA9295 wrote:By now all of the summer "seasonal" routes are all filed within the reservation system/OAG for2018. So it's pretty clear that they've changed these particular routes to year-round.
According to recent schedule update. Typically these are summer only, but as of now are being scheduled through end of schedule from Summer 2018 on. Also, there is an article floating around that AS possibly has much bigger plans for PDX. https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/11/20/portland-could-be-...Jump to post
I've always wondered if we could see HA do something like this and I wonder if they'll see how it works for WN and then try to either compete or go after markets where WN isn't offering the one-stop service. Also, since HA is specifically targeting people going to the islands, would they limit the ...Jump to post
Congratulations to the PIT folks on landing a new carrier. I don't know what it took but the bottom line is, AAG will be serving PIT in 2018! Whenever Alaska announces a new market I usually look at all possibilities post-SEA and PDX/SJC/SFO/SAN are naturally going to be looked at since they are als...Jump to post
B6 BOS-SAN MAR 2>3 APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 My guess here is that B6 is perhaps expecting someone else to do something in the market -- such as AS going dbl-daily or maybe DL entering the market? -- and Blue wants to exert pressure. I'm actually a bit surprised to see a move in the BOS-SAN market and was in...Jump to post
Congratulations to Kansas City on this great step forward! All the important points have already been made in this thread and it remains to be seen which opinions will prove to be correct in 5-10 years. One thing that won't change is KC's geographical location which has always made the city a potent...Jump to post
oldannyboy wrote:I suggest adding the somewhat crucial word "747" to the title!
For AS, the 3rd SAN-FAT flight has historically been a mid-day Q400 r/t added during the spring/summer. Looks like they might not have the aircraft available for that flight in March 2018. We'll see if it shows up later in the year... (I just checked AS's online skeds and that 3rd SAN-FAT (Q400) fli...Jump to post
Hilarious so many are mad they can't get on Southwest.com and find out what time they're flying out of Grand Rapids on the third Tuesday of next August. Flights none of you will ever book anyway. Wow. Just. Wow. I'm glad you're amused. WN provides tools for its clients to use to find flights, for t...Jump to post
This is really hard to believe! For those of us who use the WN Flight Schedules to see what's up with new releases, this is terrible, completely FUBAR! bb My feelings exactly. You can view the schedule through booking, but that is a ton of work. Precisely! It takes a gob of time just to tell if 1 f...Jump to post
This is really hard to believe! For those of us who use the WN Flight Schedules to see what's up with new releases, this is terrible, completely FUBAR! The schedules still don't work beyond June 5, 2018 almost 24 hours after the release yesterday morning. And the cited 'release summary' was not much...Jump to post
Just looked at booking and has reverted back to June 5th as end of window. Nice lol I saw that as well, but the route map is still up to date... How do we know the route map is correct though? We have nothing to check it against. According to the current routemap, SAN-GEG is gone, but SAN-IND and S...Jump to post
DAL could be a great spoke to a range of W. Coast cities. DAL, could also leverage 1-stop flights from SAN/SNA to LGA/DCA and such. Too early to write DAL off. With 2 gates, they may be able to squeeze out 20-24 flights. According to my count, AS's June 3 summer schedule, with an additional SAN and...Jump to post
Well, it does seem strange to be taking an airline named Alaska between Dallas & New York; the name is more specific to a place than an abstract compass direction. Just apart of a long tradition: Air Atlanta Philadelphia - New York (JFK) Air Wisconsin Pittsburgh - Fort Wayne Florida Express Ric...Jump to post
Well, FWIW, Alaska may need to do a better job of marketing in the DFW/Dallas area. There's not a lot of brand recognition of Alaska down here, and outside of taking over a prominent billboard downtown that used to belong to Virgin America, I'm not sure how many people know that they took over Virg...Jump to post
IIRC, the last of Alaska's additional DAL routes comes online in February. It may be a bit too early to make too many statements as to how the airport is working out for them. SAN and SJC nonstops begin next Feb 16. And next June (3), SAN and PDX will see daily-double flights to Love Field! (Source...Jump to post
This is, I think, about the 5th thread in the past couple of months about this very topic. Has anyone gone to the DOT Dockets website to see if PR has actually applied yet for ORD, IAH, SEA, etc. routes? If I were interested in this subject, that's the first place I'd look for real evidence that the...Jump to post
I'm not sure where you have the information that SEA to LAX got pulled on Nov 9 I believe the cutting of SEA/PDX-LAX was reported in Enilria's OAG thread a few weeks ago. Not sure of which month he reported the routes were to be axed... But I do think both routes are history. IMO NK has never been ...Jump to post
2017 - 3 2018 - 8 2019 - 6 2020 - 1 There are additional purchase rights. Mahalo , MO'. So next year looks to be the big expansion year for HA, and continuing on into 2019. It seems like they will have enough 321s on the way so that they could add Outer Island service to the (mostly west coast) exi...Jump to post
Could someone in the know please share the planned delivery sked of the new 321 fleet to HA? Plus the total number of 321s in the fleet when all current orders have been delivered? I'm curious how the route map could change over the next few years.
Overall, AS found themselves between a rock and a hard place. Cede the premium market or come up with a new premium product in short manor that can compete with the likes of mint. AS chose what they're accustomed to, one product across the entire fleet. As a result they're struggling in the Premium...Jump to post
Absolutely gorgeous, as expected!
Mahalo to all responsible for the taking and posting of the beautiful shot.
I wonder if we will finally be seeing some more new routes rolled out by AAG for 2018 now?! (With maybe a big announcement coming soon!?) Not looking very likely, Now, turning to new market growth, which I know is very much on everyone's minds. The 20 new markets we commenced in the nine months end...Jump to post
I've got a question related to this topic regarding WN's Route Map: is it new that seasonal routes are not shown on the map during a route's off-season? I do know what it says under the route map, indicating that a seasonal route that is not operating during the currently open booking window apparen...Jump to post
I actually have been wondering if CLD could be an opportunity for airlines like AA, AS and/or UA. These airlines haven't been afraid to try smaller Californian markets like MMH, SBP and STS lately, and it can be very difficult to reach the likes of SAN or SNA from northern San Diego County these da...Jump to post