Thought you guys might be interested in this, which someone posted on the Indianapolis thread: ORF-SAN ranks #3 in top markets flown on Delta via ATL. So in 2017, 23,487 passengers had an ORF-ATL-SAN (or SAN-ATL-ORF) itinerary--which is about 65 passengers per day. And that's just on Delta alone. W...Jump to post
Well, no matter what happens now, at least Ted (V) can say he did launch his carrier -- he realized his dream!
Thanks to all for the discussion and the updates. It'll be nice to see some kind of change from JL; they've been flying here for about 6 years now -- which is wonderful! -- and it's nice to see something different, even if it turns out to not be a huge upgrade in pax capacity. There are lots of fact...Jump to post
Appears to be another route-drop from SLC -- BOI. I believe that puts AS's SLC route map serving only their 5 major west coast cities with the 3 CA cities seeing only single r/t!
Will this area become exclusive to Southwest after the move? My last understanding was that the Hawai'i flights were going to depart out of T1 West - is this still the case? I haven't seen a plan or document anywhere of the official construction start of the new Terminal 1 at the east end of the ai...Jump to post
I just noticed on AS's website the following news: Travel to/from San Diego (SAN) Starting January 29, 2019, all Alaska Airlines flights will operate out of Terminal 2 East On that date, you will find our ticket counters, kiosks, gates, curbside check-in, and baggage office in their new locations in...Jump to post
I think this is part of the reason for that. Also, more E175s are based at SAN and more 737s are based at PDX, which makes for easier/more efficient aircraft utilization. If there was enough demand for a 737 on PDX-STL, they would have very likely kept it. With that being said though, Southwest's P...Jump to post
hiflyeras wrote:Good things are coming to SAN I believe...keep the faith, SAN!!
I have a couple of comments about AS at SAN. I'm quite disappointed that nothing at all was mentioned during the presentation about AS's move and (I hope) growth potential at SAN. AAG will be completely relocated to T2E in the first quarter of 2019. Right now they are running split ops out of T1W an...Jump to post
Too bad this is happening but it's probably not the first time; costs rarely go down as projects of this size continue to be planned and built. Actually, to me, the current price tag of $1.6B doesn't sound that bad for an entire new terminal in this day and age. Seems the original estimate must have...Jump to post
SANFan: The LH flight did clear customs at SAN not LAS. The AF flight SAN-CDG departed with about 85 ppl. Thanks for the updates DCA' . So even tho she was on the ground in Vegas for quite a while, they made everyone remain on the plane? As to the load on SAN-CDG, I would regard a load of 85 as 'no...Jump to post
Thanks to all the photographers for the fantastic assortment of angles and POV for the pix and vids of the various landings yesterday! It's almost like it was deliberate for them to land within minutes of each other. (Too bad Speedbird couldn't get in on the action too.) I hope the AF return to PAR ...Jump to post
Update: as of ~7:45am Thursday, LH466 is now sked to arrive SAN early at 12:51pm (with an on-time departure at 3:05pm.) AF302 is also early (as of now) sked to land at 3:36pm; on time departure of flight 303 is still at 6:05pm. For those interested in seeing the trifecta, (747) Speedbird is running ...Jump to post
BTW, there was a good article in the SD-UT the other day about the rebounding SD Cruise industry; here's the link: http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/tourism/sd-fi-sandiego-cruise-rebound-20181125-story.html I know some of us who live on this thread are aware of the tie-in between our crui...Jump to post
I'm going away for a while. Going to give that island life a try. ;) I look forward to returning to a more mature SAN sometime in the future. Aw man, I assume 'Aloha!' is called for here? Gonna miss you and your Nikon Ryan! I hope you'll continue with A.net and keep us updated. Good luck and watch ...Jump to post
Interesting development with UA here. Another topic in this forum on UA flight attendant bases has UA establishing one here. Wonder if that means increased presence for UA at SAN? Hope so! To the best of my knowledge, SkyWest has a crew base here which at least AS uses. I don't know if that would i...Jump to post
KICT wrote:dragon6172 wrote:SWA is adding ... Sunday nonstop to SAN next summer.
Source? First I've heard of SAN-ORF n/s.
Question about AS: do you think the costs of opening a new station on the east coast (ORF) and being able to fill enough flights to make it profitable is off of AS' radar right now? Southwest has been at ORF for a while, yes? The brand loyalty - in addition to the government contracts - just seems ...Jump to post
The carrier with the GSA contract for ORF-SAN would be the logical one to offer nonstop service but that hasn't happened ever. It is probably a matter of costs and yields on a transcon where a large percentage of the pax are traveling on a fairly cheap government fare. Maybe that will change someho...Jump to post
Regarding BNA-PDX -- or lack thereof -- the first 2 quarters of 2018 (according to DOT Table 6) averaged 202 PDEW! That sure seems to me to be enough local traffic to support a daily nonstop, to say nothing of the connecting traffic that the route would carry, depending on which carrier would add th...Jump to post
My take is WN did this with AS in an underhanded way so that AS will not complain when WN makes a move to get similar exclusive holdings on BFI as they attempted to do back in 2005. "We'll give you PAE for BFI." And AS wouldn't have taken that deal, any more than they would've back in '05...Jump to post
I would've loved to see WN add some level of service between RDU and SAN - even once weekly as they did to SJC. I feel it's just a matter of time before F9 gives up on RDU-SAN -- I have no idea what routes F9 still flies out of SAN -- and it seems that F9 eventually ends most of its 'experiments' an...Jump to post
Since this thread seems to be alive, I'll also point out that SAN-ORF was announced this morning. It's only once a week in a market that saw an average of 149 PDEW over Q1 & Q2 of 2018. My guess is it's a test by WN.
Yeah, I've seen ORF mentioned quite a bit on this particular thread. Although the SAN-ORF flight will only once weekly, you gotta start somewhere! It's interesting to see that SAN will get a nonstop flight to ORF before LAX does! Never thought I'd see that coming... Depending on the timing of the f...Jump to post
As of March 12, when all routes are op'ing (according to the currently released skeds), 6 EMJs will spend the night at PAE! Therefore, a third of AAG's flights from Paine Field will originate in the morning prior to 9am (9:05 actually.) Those 6 flights depart every :30 beginning at 6:30. bb That is...Jump to post
Looks to me like they will RON 5 aircraft. As of March 12, when all routes are op'ing (according to the currently released skeds), 6 EMJs will spend the night at PAE! Therefore, a third of AAG's flights from Paine Field will originate in the morning prior to 9am (9:05 actually.) Those 6 flights dep...Jump to post
Alaska's PAE flights to/from SAN current schedule: All PAE flights starting in February 2019 SAN 7:45 am - PAE 10:45 am SAN 2:20 pm - PAE 5:20 pm PAE 10:40 am - SAN 1:30 pm PAE 7:45 pm - SAN 10:35 pm Thank you FA9' . I was going to report this info after I got thru all the stuff WN provided today -...Jump to post
I'm flabbergasted! Having just completed a count of SAN's departures on this sked extension, I was WAY off on my earlier estimate - our departure count will be 130 daily flights! This is way higher than any prior count; WN will also serve 36 unique airports from SAN (another new high!) The greatest ...Jump to post
So far, regarding SAN, it looks like all of our seasonal destinations are back: IND & GEG daily but MKE appears to be Sat-only. (?) Two new routes from WN appear to be OMA (daily) and ORF (Sunday-only.) OMA is obviously added to compete with AS's service, and I suppose a once-weekly flight to OR...Jump to post
Most PAE flights start between 2/11 and 2/20/2019 but 4 more start on 3/11 and 3/12/2019. The single r/t to SNA is the last one to be added (on 3/12.) Perhaps this is due to slot rearrangement at John Wayne Airport. Counts by destination are PAE - 18 flts/day PDX - 4 flts/day LAX - 4 flts/day LAS - ...Jump to post
AS continues its growth in FAT. Only a matter of time until we see mainline? What will be the first city? SAN or SEA? Or both? I could see a 'Bus doing SAN-FAT-SEA-FAT-SAN every day. One other option for that first mainline AS flight... HNL? On a related note, AS continues their heavy tweaking of S...Jump to post
I too say it's nice to see SAN-BOS go triple daily again in the summer of 2019 on Blue. (Hopefully it won't disappear suddenly and unexpectedly again as it did this summer.) Of interest is the fact that AS has not added even a 2nd flight in the market. There now appears to be little doubt in my mind...Jump to post
**cough sniffle gag** Oh my, I must have a nut allergy and I know that boarding an airplane early will take care of the problem!
I know that the SDIA reported with their Sept Pax Report that AS had the second largest increase in pax (with 21, 468 more pax than in Sept 2017 (and WN was 3rd!), while serving 6 more (new) destinations than they did a year earlier (WN had 2 new ones.) AS was also the 2nd fastest growing in pax y-...Jump to post
WN has its next schedule extension next week, and WN could add at least SAN-OMA nonstop service in order to better compete against AS in the SAN market. WN could also possibly add SAN-BOS and SAN-MSP nonstop service in order to strengthen its position against AS in the SAN market. Will WN announce ...Jump to post
They’ve had 7 years to get the word out and only a “few paying passengers” showed up? Oof. I have a feeling most folks wanted to wait and see if the first flight actually got off the ground before investing in tickets; from the sounds of the events of Nov 1, that might have been a smart idea. Hopef...Jump to post
wedgetail737 wrote:I called CA Pacific and they said that the inaugural flights are still on for tomorrow.
I recall a year or so ago that the TUS-JFK nonstop was ended (as mentioned up-thread) and there was some discussion about that one too. Load factor is rarely the issue on TUS-East Coast flights. Airlines depend on a year round supply of business travelers paying high fares. That market simply doesn'...Jump to post
Fingers crossed that things go as planned on Thursday...
The one to keep an eye on is SAN to see if it grows or shrinks. After reading thru most of the latest posts in this thread, and seeing very little mentioned about SAN service, I was glad to see your post cajun' . Do most folks in RDU feel that SAN is now "off the list" of needed service b...Jump to post
actually,I've worked with Lufthansa's network planning group in Germany and their sales and marketing teams in California. Their network planning group extensively modeled and remodeled and tried to make this flight work. The simple thing is that it didn't. the sales and marketing team in the SF / ...Jump to post
I agree with most of what's already been posted on this thread -- and the many before it -- but I have a couple of thoughts. I get the feeling that F9 looks at the DOT data and makes their decisions immediately. They seem to lack any further research into markets or routes as other cx do. Related to...Jump to post
I haven't run the numbers, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's more transcon service from BWI than IAD if you remove UA from IAD. I know on the surface that seems like an unfair comparison, but IAD is considered the primary transcon airport for WAS in most people's minds so superficially you wou...Jump to post
Oh my, a bunch of out-of-the-blue Frontier drops! Such an unexpected shock! Exactly the reason I keep track of all new F9 service in pencil with a big eraser... But that's ok, that just means soon there'll be another round of strange and wonderful adds to the F9 route map that will again make people...Jump to post
WN AUS-SJC JAN 1.9>2[1.9] FEB 1.8>2[1.8] WN CHS-MDW JAN 1.8>1.3[1.0] WN LAS-LGB MAR 0.3>3[0.6] WN LGB-SMF MAR 2>4 WN MDW-PVD JAN 2>1.5 WN RNO-SAN JAN 2>3 FEB 2>3 WN SJU-TPA JAN 0.6>1.0[0.7] This is yet another bunch of adds to skeds that have already been announced/released. Seems to be...Jump to post
I just wanted to mention that it appears that AS is upgrading their r/t to SAN to an Airbus next March. (It's showing in the online skeds at AS.com) The route began in mid-November of last year so the upgrade comes slightly more than a year after it started! Their competition is, of course, DL and S...Jump to post
Growth of hubs/focus cities since the acquisition: ANC up 9% SEA up 9% PDX up 12% SFO up 9% SJC up 45% LAX up 1% SAN up 31% The objective is to be relevant in each major west coast hub/focus city served, increasing the utility to travelers on the west coast. Thanks for that EA' . Nice to see. I kno...Jump to post
FYI, this slide is not new; it first appeared during an AAG presentation in September. The title of the slide was: "Seven West Coast Cities Anchor Our Route Network Today." I would like to know what these totals on the slide were a year or two ago -- an indication of change or growth since...Jump to post
Alas...it seems that both of our wishes are not meant to be... :optimist: ...you for PR to serve SAN ..... .....and me for them to acquire A338 s..... :pessimist: ..... Oh man! I don't know about you, Devil' but several years ago I gave up hoping for PR to start service at SAN. However, I still res...Jump to post