According to Flightradar, Emirates A380 A6-EDM was damaged after what appears to be a collision with a ground vehicle in DME. Anyone have any more information on this? (https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1773027973160927241 link for the FR source). It's hard to tell but the damage looks like t...
Jump to postFrom the instagram video, it looks like the plane was either: A) On fire before the video started B) Was not on fire before as there is a large explosion mid-air If it’s B) This would suggest the plane was on fire for about 30 seconds before hitting the ground, and as its a rather shallow descent i...
Jump to postFrom the instagram video, it looks like the plane was either: A) On fire before the video started B) Was not on fire before as there is a large explosion mid-air If it’s B) This would suggest the plane was on fire for about 30 seconds before hitting the ground, and as its a rather shallow descent i...
Jump to postLot of details (warning some human remains) after 30 seconds in that video: https://cdn.isna.ir/d/2020/01/08/0/61535763.mp4 Look like a lot of peoples and efforts on the crash site. What strikes me is how large the debris field is... it seems much larger than I am used to seeing from accidents.
Jump to postReuters reporting that Western intelligence agencies see no signs Ukraine airliner was shot down, according to a Canadian security source https://www.reuters.com/article/iran-crash-canada-intelligence/western-intelligence-agencies-see-no-signs-ukraine-airliner-was-shot-down-canadian-source-idUSL1N2...
Jump to postSomeone on Twiiter posted a picture of a Surface-to-air missile wreck, claiming it was taken from the crash site. Reverse search did not find any other similar images that were previously posted, so the image may be recent, but it has not yet been confirmed that it was taken near the crash site. ht...
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MORE: Ukraine's embassy in Iran says any previous comments about the cause of the crash were not official
Reading through this thread reminds me that there are some very special people among our user base. I'm amazed that there are people that believe that the Iranians would intentionally shoot down an airliner less then 50km (!) from the capital's international airport! One that belongs to a country t...
Jump to postUkraine reported that the crash had been caused by an engine failure rather than terrorism or a missile attack. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7863359/Ukrainian-passenger-plane-carrying-180-people-crashes-near-Tehran-local-media.html Higher ranking Ukranian officials have discredited that...
Jump to postDraken21fx wrote:Thanks zeke and osiris30. Do we know the condition of them?
Does Iran have the capability of extracting the data?
In regards to weather I guess icing is excluded right?
Two stupid questions but I guess the black box has not been recovered yet cause we would have heard news of it. Also what was the weather at the time of the crash sub 0c? I know it is pretty chilly at the moment. Weather appears to have been fine. Iran reports recovering the black boxes as of 25-30...
Jump to posthttps://i.imgur.com/x0dbBvo.jpg Got a close up of that engine.The major hole is inconclusive because there's been impact damage.Some parts look turned in, some look turned out. There is a small hole where we have some metal peeled back (on the more silver band), again that peeling itself looks to b...
Jump to postIf no communication was made before the crash, how can it be concluded that it was engine failure? How is this known? There is probably more known than is in the western press. If you cast your mind back to QF32 engine parts that landed in people’s homes in Batam were made known to the Indonesian a...
Jump to postPeople go on holiday in those numbers to Iran? They do happen. Some parts of Iran are quite peaceful and welcoming outside of Tehran. Not in those numbers from one country though surely? Very specialist place to visit for a holiday There is a fairly large Iranian Canadian population. It is possible...
Jump to postWould ADS-B not operate on battery in that event? Many airlines use the procedure to swap transponders between sectors. Some use odd flight numbers use #1, others captain flying use #1, other the sector away from base use #1. Swap to #2 in the opposites sense. The selection for #1 or #2 is made in ...
Jump to postBBC are reporting 140 Iranians on board, so unless dual nationalities have caused confusion in the numbers it would appear there were not 73 Canadians. That would make more sense Want another set of numbers just for shits and giggles? 82 Iranians, 63 Canadians https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/...
Jump to post1) Your level of confidence with that assessment (no, this isn't a setup, it's a real question, I can't tell a damned thing from that picture with nothing as a size reference) 2) In the engine picture, any clues as to which engine that is? Port or starboard? I am reasonably confident we are looking...
Jump to post“According to preliminary information, the plane crashed due to an engine malfunction. The version of the terrorist attack or rocket attack is currently excluded,”. The statement on the website of the Ukrainian Embassy in Tehran reads. (CNN) Iranian television said the crash was due to technical pr...
Jump to postI am trying to think if an engine might fail in anyway to take out the ability of ADS-B to transmit on a 737. Simply could be the transponder in use was #2, most aircraft power #2 when everything is working normally and may only power #1 in reduced states. Would ADS-B not operate on battery in that...
Jump to postFolks: can someone help me out and tell me which part of the aircraft we are look at here specifically and is it top-side or bottom-side up. I am having issues orienting myself to the part and where exactly it was on the frame. https://i.ibb.co/4tckZWb/80444-F55-DDBA-4-F3-A-88-F0-C2-C52-DE49-DE2.pn...
Jump to postIranian authorities are reporting no communication from pilots on distress calls. Supporting the notion of this being sudden and utterly catastrophic. PanAm103, MH17, TWA800 etc all went down and due to the severity of the incident, no communication was made understandably. We must also remember th...
Jump to postFolks: can someone help me out and tell me which part of the aircraft we are look at here specifically and is it top-side or bottom-side up. I am having issues orienting myself to the part and where exactly it was on the frame. https://i.ibb.co/4tckZWb/80444-F55-DDBA-4-F3-A-88-F0-C2-C52-DE49-DE2.png
Jump to postIranian authorities are reporting no communication from pilots on distress calls.
Jump to postUkranian embassy in Iran is reporting the plane crashed due to engine failure. Not sure how they too have conducted an investigation so quickly, but: BBC Questions for the audience out there. (Again hypothetical, because I am trying to make sense of what we know so far). 1) Would a pilot of a 737 be...
Jump to postThe biggest red flag remains Iran saying it was a mechanical within minutes of the crash. What legit investigative body would do that? We do not know the radio transmissions. Quite possible that the crew could have radioed in an engine failure and fire before crashing. We don't. But I'd think it un...
Jump to postFirst of all, seems like some on here first need to understand Iran is not a war zone like Iraq is. Life is going on there absolutely normally, the city itself is probably safer than Baltimore or Chicago. Second of all, Tehran is located quite north, in the center of the country nowhere near the Ir...
Jump to postThat engine photos seems to show an uncontained engine failure. There is absolutely no way you could tell that from this photo. There is a large hole in the side of engine where the HPT would be (in the 2 o’clock position as we look at it now) as well evidence of heating of the metal in the 12 o’cl...
Jump to postAt the risk of being bitten as I throw red meat into the lion's cage, here is how Boeing explains itself ( ref: AvWeek ): Commenting on criticism of the single-string-failure potential of the AOA input to the MCAS, a Boeing executive says the original design was based on a standard industry process...
Jump to postThe EASA document Reuter’s referring to: https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/IM.A.120%20Boeing737%20TCDS%20APPENDIX%20ISS%2010.pdf Issue 10, Page 15. Interesting reading: Furthermore, the additional crew procedures and training material will clearly explain to pilots the situations w...
Jump to postThe EASA document Reuter’s referring to: https://www.easa.europa.eu/sites/default/files/dfu/IM.A.120%20Boeing737%20TCDS%20APPENDIX%20ISS%2010.pdf Issue 10, Page 15. Interesting reading: Furthermore, the additional crew procedures and training material will clearly explain to pilots the situations w...
Jump to postXRAYretired wrote:osiris30 wrote:XRAYretired wrote:
Splitting hairs does you no justice.
Ray
Sorry you consider conflicting media reports splitting hairs. We will see when the preliminary comes out. It should answer it for sure.
Lateral disection of rabbits then.
Sorry you consider conflicting media reports splitting hairs. We will see when the preliminary comes out. It should answer it for sure. Splitting hairs? You are quartering them! Your argument is moot as no real existing commercial flight simulator dedicated MAX or not in airline hands knows about M...
Jump to postCant find any retraction only affirmation on 24th that the pilots on ET302 had been trained per FAA/Boeing requirements for conversion and post JT610. Ray a quick search turns up: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethiopia-airplane-simulator-exclusive/ethiopia-crash-captain-did-not-train-on-airlin...
Jump to postAgreed, no redundant sensor set is ever implemented with different sensor models: calibration would be much less robust, failure modes would multiply (the order of failures would affect the outcome), basically you end up with a system which, right out of the factory, is much less robust than with 3...
Jump to postDo you have a source for this? Not saying you're wrong, just couldn't find one myself. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethiopia-airplane-simulator-exclusive/ethiopia-crash-captain-did-not-train-on-airlines-max-simulator-source-idUSKCN1R20WD The pilot may have been briefed but wasn't 'trained' as...
Jump to postStall recovery is routinely practiced in sims and is part of the check ride (sim) for ?many/most/all? airlines. Pointless on NG simulators (because MAX is the same argument)? And on MAX simulators that didn't replicate 'real' MCAS behaviour? We were discussing stalls not MCAS ... But hey... Why be ...
Jump to posthivue wrote:osiris30 wrote:It may not be able to simulate the aero, but you still run the drills AFAIK.
I believe you're thinking of approach to stall and not stall.
the comments by ET's CEO regarding training have subsequently turned out to be potentially inaccurate (I don't have time to search for the articles/this thread) well i´m pretty sure you know it by yourself but only for the audience here it is NORMAL that the wheels spins after takeoff there is NO W...
Jump to post^ 2 stuck sensors: It has actually happened on an Airbus design, with triple redundant sensors and they DID overrule the good sensor. So it isn't even a theoretical problem, we have evidence of it happening in actual operation on a current design. AoA sensors? Care to give us a link to the incident...
Jump to postThey have all the data and grounded the MAX, even though we don't have all the data. They grounded the MAX before they had any data beyond the ADS-B data. Go look at the timeline. The groundings were made on the basis of: 1) (early groundings) Same type 2) (early groundings) Close time period 3) (m...
Jump to postStall recovery is routinely practiced in sims and is part of the check ride (sim) for ?many/most/all? airlines. Are you sure about that? My understanding is that no simulator can accurately simulate the aerodynamics of a stall in progress. And no one in their right mind is going to purposely stall ...
Jump to postET boss himself said those pilots were trained on MCAS. Stop banging your head against the wall. IT will make you even less objective. From what we know, something happened that in the end activated MCAS but at that point if they were trained like ET is stating they should have had no problem disco...
Jump to postHow on earth do you come to this conclusion? Considering this happened to two different crews on a new type recently introduced (when did that last happen in aviation history?) this is a staggering simplification, and with respect, not based on any revealed facts. Unless you have personally flown a...
Jump to postThe 3 sensors should be different so they fail differently at different times under different conditions, then you have a winning strategy. Or a maintenance nightmare and an increased likelihood of minor sensor disagreements. Increased complexity such as having to maintain 3 different types of sens...
Jump to postStall's are really no big thing - apply power or lower the nose - as a pilot if you can't recover from a stall you shouldn't be in the cockpit - gross incompetence could cause the stall to turn into a spin but that would take deliberate action and a real f**k up - I don't think there is any example...
Jump to posthttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethiopia-airplane-regulator-insight/regulators-knew-before-crashes-that-737-max-trim-control-was-confusing-in-some-conditions-document-idUSKCN1RA0DP Regulators knew before crashes that 737 MAX trim control was confusing in some conditions: document quote: The Euro...
Jump to postThe BBC is reporting that the preliminary ET accident report is stating that MCAS was activated. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47745191 ... and the MAX is still grounded, so maybe we should discuss this in the ET thread instead? To be fair with so many threads I wasn't sure of the best one to...
Jump to postHow is the fix really a fix? If MCAS is switched off automatically, we have an aircraft without MCAS. Apparently MCAS is good for something in the first place, otherwise it would not be there. So the aircraft will then be operating at the brink of a stall and the pilots need to keep it in the air? ...
Jump to postThe 3 sensors should be different so they fail differently at different times under different conditions, then you have a winning strategy. Or a maintenance nightmare and an increased likelihood of minor sensor disagreements. Increased complexity such as having to maintain 3 different types of sens...
Jump to postWas the satellite based ADS-B collection ( a superset of the FR24 data ) made public ? ( Haven't seen it, but .. ) It was not. But the most that data will show is oscillations in altitude. There are lots of other causes that could bring that about especially in an overspeed condition (blowback has ...
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